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Obama's Election Means a Return of Vampire FlicksComments:97
Posted by
samzenpus
on Mon Nov 10, 2008 04:57 PM
from the pet-monsters dept.
from the pet-monsters dept.
gyrogeerloose writes "In a column in Saturday's San Diego Union Tribune, Peter Rowe makes a connection between the popularity of horror movie genres and the political party in the White House. A Republican administration presides over a period of zombie movies while a Democrat in the Oval Office brings on a cycle of vampire movies. Why? Possibly because the two genres 'are really competing parables about class warfare.' Hmmmm, maybe. On the other hand, it might just be a coincidence." Socialists are best represented by lycanthropes, and the Libertarians are most closely tied to any sort of horror from space.
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Finally (Score:5, Insightful)
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And all this "change" bullshit. Why isn't music as good as it was back when I was young? You damn kids today and your habit of not doing things exactly the way I did them when I was your age! I'm OLD, damnit! Stop changing things! I told my dad I'd never be an old person, but that's going to happen if everything doesn't freeze in time exactly the way I left it! Get to it! Chop chop!
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I'm sure there's a master plan for this story tag nonsense. Maybe the story tag will be broken up to be more descriptive - some would say story, if it's a news story like finding more water on Mars, reviews of anything would be tagged review, not story, journal entries would be tagged journal. I could be wrong, but I'd say we're in a transition period. I noticed the story tag as soon as I switched from the old index to the new one, so it's a fair bet they're related. The new index (not as it is now, but
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Stop reading it then.
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If idle isn't dropped, then it needs to be an option in my profile.
It is. Help&Preferences -> Your Preferences -> Index -> Sections
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Genius. (Score:5, Funny)
Wow, actually that makes perfect sense. Democrats suck, Republicans are mindless, socialists are hairy lunatics, and the best way to get rid of a libertarian is to nuke the site from orbit...It's the only way to be sure.
//Thinks the vampire movies have been coming out for a while now, actually.
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Really?
I'd think that as zombies always come in hordes (Night of the Living Homeless &c), so they represent the mob of the working class. If vampires expose their skin to sunlight, they turn to dust, and likewise with the... "paperless administration work" of socialist governments.
Werewolves never use contraceptives or do abortions, but they do mate when they take a human form; just look at Oz and the red-haired sexy geeky wonderful Willow; *sigh*.
Where was I? Oh yeah, werewolves! They're clearly the
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Re:Genius. (Score:4, Funny)
Fixed.
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--candycoloredclown</blockquote>
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Well, the last time we had a Tory party in the US, that type of thing happened on a fairly regular basis...
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Calling Bush or the Democrats socialists is pretty laughable from anywhere outside America.
Libertarians (Score:3, Insightful)
Aren't libertarians tied to freedom lovers on the moon?
Re:Libertarians (Score:5, Funny)
Return of Blackula? (Score:2, Funny)
Sorry, just couldn't resist.
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It's not a Venture Brothers reference; Blacula is a real film from 1972: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068284/ [imdb.com]. There's a sequel, too.
It's hard to tell with a show like that, but you can be safe in saying that just about everything in there is a reference to something. They wouldn't have a character that hunts blaculas if the blacula precedent hadn't been set previously.
This makes more sense than I expected (Score:3, Insightful)
Which maybe isn't saying much, but this makes more sense than expected. However I doubt that zombies will suddenly drop off the map (Evil Dead 4 where are you!?) just because Obama took over the reigns. Also the line about competing tales of class warfare is total nonsense. Vampires = scary liberal democrats while zombies = brain dead republicans? I think some writer was just trying to be funny while letting his political bias show.
Assuming this was right, why wouldn't democrats out of power want to portray republicans as vampires too? And ditto with republicans showing democrats as zombies. The door swings both ways on this, clearly the argument was made without thinking it through.
And now I have officially spent as much time on this post as the writer did on the column
Re:This makes more sense than I expected (Score:5, Insightful)
No, Vampire movies are about the danger of a centralised danger preying on the masses, and slowly bleeding them dry. That is, big government and overtaxation. You never have a sole hero in a Vampire movie - it's always a sole villain. It's about the people needing to keep an evil elite in check.
Zombie movies, however, are all about the individual struggling to overcome the masses. You always have fewer heroes than zombies in this type of picture, which strikes a chord with the Republican rhetoric of rugged individualism and self reliance. It's about an elite needing to keep the evil masses in check.
I love BSing.
Re:This makes more sense than I expected (Score:5, Interesting)
I would say that the villain in each movie reflects the type of character most likely to be demonized by the administration. Vampires are ancient, aristocratic white people who suck the life from the young and vivacious- in other words, the dessicated plutocrats that liberals blame for worldly ills. Zombies are poorly dressed unintelligent masses that want to eat the brains of the small number of intelligent protagonists who had the 'good sense' not to become zombies- in other words, the masses of the urban poor who are leeching off of a small number of productive citizens. Zombies are, to a conservative, just brain welfare queens.
Look at the financial crisis: was it the fault of a few Wall Street fat cats getting greedy (Dem view), or financially unfit masses dragging down the economy by not paying their bills (Republican view)?
Socialists I would think would be associated with 1980's teen films and episodes of Scooby Doo. The real villain is always a real estate developer interested in making a public good (teen center) into private property.
Libertarians would be bondage torture movies like Saw or Hostel. The enemy wants to tie you down and dismember you, just like the state wants to restrict your freedom and steal your property.
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Actually, vampire movies are about the fear and/or admiration of elites, whereas zombie movies are about the resentment of conformity.
Bush/Cheney were Chaotic Evil (Score:3, Informative)
In D&D terminology, Bush/Cheney were clearly Chaotic Evil. Some of their advisers and henchpersons like John Yoo may have been Lawful Evil or Neutral Evil, and their main enemies were probably Lawful Evil, as well as the Neutral and Good folks who were collateral damage. Seems to be a good environment for Zombies.
Vampire movies sometimes have vamps who are protagonists, certainly since The Vampire Lestat novels. And then you get the occasional Vampires vs. Werewolves sort of movie, which was obviou
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It's an incredibly stupid story, and I'm not surprised it comes from university professors. Demand for movies comes from the public, and they're not applying political parables to these things. I think it's just a bunch of movie buffs finding some dumb way to celebrate a Democrat presidential victory.
Re:This makes more sense than I expected (Score:5, Interesting)
During the 90's, there was a lot of what I call "gnostic cinema" - films like The Matrix, Truman Show, Dark City, eXistenZ, and such were all about radical Cartesian doubt ("is the world all lies? Can I trust my senses? etc.") I really do connect them with the Clinton era, and also with the apparent unchallenged dominance of what was called the Washington doctrine. Although Clinton was a Democrat, the idea that unfettered markets worked best and that we were on the road to permanent prosperity was very much the consensus, far more than under Bush. After all, the Cold War was over. With that consensus came gnawing doubt - expressed in those films - that perhaps things underneath the gleaming, shiny surface weren't so good after all. When the dot.com crash came, and then 9/11, such Gnostic doubt was no longer necessary: that optimism disappeared.
As far as why Democrats are vampires and Republicans are zombies, remember that culture trumps economics in representation. The Democrats are still considered the party of the cultural elite. The Republicans are the populists, at least at the base (so much of the last election was a demonstration of the contradictions between the Republican base and the Republican elite.) Democrats may tax you more, but they also, ironically, believe in a heirarchy of cultural values: that a salad at Chez Panisse is superior to a cheeseburger at McDonalds. Republicans like uneven economics, but flat cultures (which make, after all, simpler and bigger mass markets, which creates economic elites like Sam Walton.)
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Democrat Vampires, Republican Zombies - so the Shadowrunners get to take down both of them?
Fucking cool!!!
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Absolutely not: the idea that the world of the senses was an illusion, and that the true lay behind a veil of lies is central to gnosticism. Gnosticism is more a religious version of neo-Platonism (after all, Cartesian doubt has its origins in Plato's cave.) There were Christian and non-Christian versions of Gnosticism as well: Gnosticism developed independently of Christianity in other parts of the Roman Empire and its vicinity, though it was soon blended with various Christian practices and beliefs.
I thin
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The republicans, according to this analogy, are not zombies. The zombies are (if we are to take this analogy seriously) like homeless people because they are dirty, clad in rags, and mumble to themselves They want to harm the innocent, hardworking living folks.
Also, the Democrats are not vampires. In the Dem version of the analogy, it's the aristocracy (as in the prototype, Count Dracula), who feed off the blood (hard work)
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I know you're skeptical that the kinds of movies we like reflect the kind of culture we live in year-to-year, but consider John Carpenter's masterpiece They Live [imdb.com]. Of course it was about politics in the Ronald Reagan era!
The obvious question (Score:4, Informative)
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>I think I speak for everyone when I say: "...what?"
Just vote Zombie Reagan 2008^W2012 [strk3.com].
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I think I speak for all of us, when I say I understand /
Why you folks might hesitate /
To submit to our demand.
But here's an FYI /
You're all gonna die screaming!
ALL WE WANNA DO IS EAT YOUR BRAINS!!!
We're not unreasonable /
I mean noone's gonna eat your eyes.
What if Mccain won? (Score:2, Funny)
Would living dead films be considered horror films or documentaries?
Call him Barry (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=1911&mn=75270&pt=msg&mid=6077056
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What amazes me is that most people don't know that Senator Barack Obama was affectionately known to his friends as "Barry" during high school. My CEO's wife knew him immediately when he started his campaign, and was quoted as saying "Why is Barry on TV?" when she saw him announce his candidacy. That's not the message that peple got through the mass-media moron-tube though.
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Apparently he was known as Barry before he bec
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Actually, I knew that. He changed his name when he went off to college. You know how I learned it? CNN played it for a week straight.
Sorry to burst your "I never get news outside of Fox News/Talk Radio but still know what they say" bubble.
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Wait, why?
A lot of people go by different nicknames in highschool than in adult life. In fact, thank god that most of the ways we define ourselves in highschool don't end up as permanent choices.
What's so amazing about people not knowing the deep dark secret that at the age when everyone wants to fit in, Obama went by a more common nickname? Why would the "mass-media moron-tube", as your article so delicately puts it, consider that to be news? Or how is it relevant to what one should call him now?
Vampires? Zombies? (Score:2)
I've seen sexy vamps in the movies but never sexy zombies. Who'd want to have sex with zombies? Well, maybe some might like these. [youtube.com]
If Dems are vamps and Republicans are zombies, I'll stick with the vamps.
Vampire Lestat et al. books were Reagan-era (Score:2)
Anne Rice's Interview with the Vampire and The Vampire Lestat were written during the Reagan years, though she's been cranking out sequels through Bush and Clinton years and for all I know more recently. The movies got made a few years after the book, but it was Reagan-era vampirism.
So Obama's a werewolf (Score:5, Funny)
And Bush presided over the resurgence of Torture Porn [wikipedia.org]
I guess I'll go with the fuzzy fella.
Another interesting observation (Score:2)
Along the same lines as this, I have seemed to notice that when a more "liberal" administration is in office, the dominant auto commercial music tends toward "country" and when a "conservative" administration is in office, the car commercials seems to trend more toward "rock" genre music.
They have it backwards (Score:3, Interesting)
The Black Factor (Score:2)
Re: Space Creatures (Score:2)
Socialists are best represented by lycanthropes, and the Libertarians are most closely tied to any sort of horror from space.
No, that is way off base. Many of the classic space invasion movies were about the communist threat associated with the Red Scare [wikipedia.org] or were about the Cold War [wikipedia.org]. For example, the The Day the Earth Stood Still is a classic example of metaphorical critique of the Cold War and the threat of nations nuking the hell out of each other during that period.
Libertarians do not have a large enough influence, in percentage of voters, to get either direct or metaphorical criticism from Hollywood. Libertarians are like Pa
put a stake in it (Score:2, Funny)
Airmchair psychology... (Score:2)
And actually, the Sci-Fi Channel has been airing an astonishing number of vampire-related movies in recent years... more than I have ever seen and far more than I want to see.
It has also been showing more zombie movies than I ever recall seeing in past years... but the vampire movies have outnumbered them by perhaps three to one.
(When I say "showing more", I include repeat showings of the same movie.)
For the most part, I could do without either one of them, for a very long
Horrors from Space (Score:2)
Ah yes, like the dreaded Ronulans.
Once you drink the Ronulan ale, you'll be under their power.
I interpreted it quite the opposite... (Score:2, Insightful)
Ha ha! Wonderful! (Score:2)
The Zombie/Unthinking follower (ie, everybody who blithely marched after Bush into the Iraq war and all his other self-made disasters), makes sense. --It is quite natural for Thinking People to fear this kind of monster threat. McCain supporters certainly seemed utterly mindless and vile, and there were altogether too many of them. I felt at times like holing up in my house with a golf club. --Or that any time I shot one down in debate, (easy enough to do), it JUST WOULDN'T DIE because it was too stupid