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Heh... Wow... (Score:5, Insightful)
First vote? Anyhow, no. You can't have them. You might be able to get them with a monkey wrench though. So, I figured I'd say that I can't help, which is what I'd probably say until someone got out the monkey wrench.
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I believe that qualifies as duress passwords.
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First vote, first post, and first moo - nobody has ever mooed at me before. It's like Christmas!
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They're probably Windows users so that might work.
1... 2... 3... 4... 5... (Score:3, Funny)
1, 2, 3, 4, 5 -- that's the kind of password an idiot would have on his luggage!
Depends on the account (Score:3)
Sure, you can have my NYTimes password - it's "passw0rd", unless they required mixed-case, in which case it's Passw0rd. (No, I'm not mentioning the login I use there, but it's no big loss if somebody starts impersonating me there.)
My Slashdot password? It's pretty complicated, my browser remembers it, and on the rare occasions where I need it, I have to remember where I wrote it down.
My bank account passwords? Sorry, get a warrant, and since cops who actually need to know that can get the information fr
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Sure, you can have my NYTimes password - it's "passw0rd", unless they required mixed-case, in which case it's Passw0rd. (No, I'm not mentioning the login I use there, but it's no big loss if somebody starts impersonating me there.)
My Slashdot password? It's pretty complicated, my browser remembers it, and on the rare occasions where I need it, I have to remember where I wrote it down.
My bank account passwords? Sorry, get a warrant, and since cops who actually need to know that can get the information from my bank, they don't need MY password to do that, and don't need the ability to drain my bank account.
Sounds like me I use Qwerty1! for crap sites I don't care about.
Almost all of my meaningful accounts have their passwords generated and saved (encrypted) by my password manager so I don't have to remember any of them or worry about loosing the notebook I wrote the passwords down in.
My slashdot password is one of the few that I remember from my days before a password manager mostly because its not important enough to bother changing but used enough that I keep it in memory.;
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I assume your password manager is password protected, right?
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I assume your password manager is password protected, right?
Yes it stores all of the passwords in a encrypted database the password for which is well over twenty chars long and not something you will find in any dictionary and that is locked behind another long password just to unlock my home folder.
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since you asked (Score:5, Funny)
My password is ******
I always use stars because if I don't then I can't tell what I'm typing into the password box.
Brave polling, but in real life? (Score:5, Insightful)
It is interesting to see the current results with over 40% in "Sorry I can't help, but I just can't recall any ..." but I expect most of these people will not realize how much pressure you may get from legal authorities to release your password. Chances are most of you would crack after you have legal authorities pressing you. Why? because you don't need to be criminally prosecuted for your life to be made miserable. Especially if you don't have anything incriminating, it will be easier to give the password show that you don't have anything and just go on and change your password. Now this isn't fair and we should have legal protection against officials for even asking the question, but real life, if you are going to stand up for your rights, there will be consequences you will have to face. If you have the bravery to do this, good for you. But in reality most of us do not have the bravery that we think we do in such a poll.
Re:Brave polling, but in real life? (Score:4, Interesting)
If I was that mayor, I wouldn't give up password on the threat being detained. Its not like the DHS is going to torture you or send you to Guantanamo. Let the news agencies start screaming about how Mayor Commentator has "disappeared" after arriving at the airport. Americans won't understand what a threat the DHS represents to Americans until they understand you can be imprisoned for not relinquishing your constitutional rights. Then I'd be plotting the massive lawsuit once the DHS caves and lets me speak to a lawyer, or releases me from detention.
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Well, it depends on what passwords. Most passwords, well they can go to my webmail provider or bank or whatever and gain access regardless, most people at customs just want to know you haven't modded it to be a bomb so in reality I'm probably not going to refuse them but they're also not going to get access to anything I really want to keep secret. If you can avoid it then it's better to make them think they "won" rather than pick a fight, it's a fairly decent tactic against assholes of all shapes and sizes
Re:Brave polling, but in real life? (Score:5, Interesting)
I've been fighting stage IV colon cancer (yeah, shitty disease right?) with mets in my lungs for four years now. Standard chemo has stopped working so I probably have about another year left unless I can get results from new immunotherapy trials. So, of course I answered "from my cold, dead fingers". I can't feel anything with them anyway thanks to peripheral neuropathy caused by the chemo drug oxaliplatin. Let them threaten me. That would go over so well in the press. This whole experience has left me prone to speak my mind, smoke my weed (well, vaporize - can't handle smoke), play my music loud, and troll conservative christian boards for fun. Sweet, Zombie Jesus! Want my passwords? Go to hell you bunch of jack-booted thugs.
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Thanks for the advice! I've had my wife make cannabis infused butter and I have used it in certain foods - its a pretty strong flavor and, to be honest, ruins a good blueberry muffin. As cliche as it may sound, I does work well in brownies with a high chocolate content using 99% cacao chocolate. Simply substitute some of the butter with the cannabis infused butter - the amount varies depending on the potency of your source. Here's my recipe: http://www.trentfoley.com/reci... [trentfoley.com]
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I'll give the peanut butter idea a try - I do like a good pb cookie.
I was 46 when I was diagnosed with stage 4 and had no family history. It is very likely that the cancer had been there for a few years, masked by copious amounts of Makers Mark Kentucky Bourbon. Had I bothered to get annual checks starting at age 40, it is very probably that I would have caught the cancer early enough to defeat it. Too fucking late now. But, hey - thanks for the pb idea. It sounds like your process is about the same as
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I forgot to say that you should definitely go get a colonoscopy. Yeah, they aren't fun at all - but, the alternative...
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Trolling Christian boards is really productive. Nothing like lashing out at convenient Deity.
Here's a though, why not troll ISIS boards and Muslim forums? Oh right, because killing people is not nearly as bad a "homophobia"
Re:Brave polling, but in real life? (Score:4, Informative)
In order for my neighbors to be in range of hearing my music, they have to be on my property. So, I seriously doubt that I am ruining anyones life. Also, my neighbors are all very cool folk and are very likely to come on to my property so that they can hear my music.
I have said that I wouldn't wish chemo upon my worst enemy. Your ignorant assumptions and hate filled rhetoric give me cause to reconsider.
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Well said. You win all of my fake Internet points.
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... you no-name sack of shit?
So says the Anonymous Coward. But, thanks for the chuckles - your attempts at trolling, while admirable, fail miserably. Since I am, in fact, using my real name, you should have said something like "colostomy-bag short-timer" rather than the obviously incorrect "no-name". Trolling takes practice, and to be truly successful, requires a better grasp of language than you have exhibited. As well, the very fact that you bothered to reply belies your professed lack of concern. But, as always, Thanks for Play
Re:Brave polling, but in real life? (Score:4, Insightful)
In real life your password is IWANTALAWYER.
This the ONLY password you should EVER divulge during questioning.
Re:Brave polling, but in real life? (Score:5, Interesting)
It is interesting to see the current results with over 40% in "Sorry I can't help, but I just can't recall any ..." but I expect most of these people will not realize how much pressure you may get from legal authorities to release your password. Chances are most of you would crack after you have legal authorities pressing you. Why? because you don't need to be criminally prosecuted for your life to be made miserable. Especially if you don't have anything incriminating, it will be easier to give the password show that you don't have anything and just go on and change your password. Now this isn't fair and we should have legal protection against officials for even asking the question, but real life, if you are going to stand up for your rights, there will be consequences you will have to face. If you have the bravery to do this, good for you. But in reality most of us do not have the bravery that we think we do in such a poll.
That depends on how you assign passwords in the first place. Myself, I've hit a point now where nearly all of my passwords are uniquely auto-generated, and dumped into my keychain. I never even see them directly -- the process is pretty much automated. I didn't generate them, thus I don't know them.
Thus, if for example I were travelling and a government official or someone in a dark alley wanted to know my Facebook password, I can't help them. I don't know it. They interrogate me or hit me over the head all day and night long, and they aren't going to get anything. This is why, when I travel to the US, I don't take my keychain with me.
Now local authorities who can force me to sit down at one of my primary computers to unlock the keychain are a different story, and not one I could do a whole lot about. At a minimum, they could certainly compel the keychain password out of me and do it themselves. The key (no pun intended), however, is they need the keychain in the first place to do this.
Yaz
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Myself, I've hit a point now where nearly all of my passwords are uniquely auto-generated, and dumped into my keychain. I never even see them directly -- the process is pretty much automated. I didn't generate them, thus I don't know them.
Thus, if for example I were travelling and a government official or someone in a dark alley wanted to know my Facebook password, I can't help them. I don't know it. They interrogate me or hit me over the head all day and night long, and they aren't going to get anything. This is why, when I travel to the US, I don't take my keychain with me.
This.
Do not travel to the US or UK with anything that contains anything you do not wish to divulge to the authorities.
The smartphone is pre-wiped and when you turn it on its at initial setup.
The laptop has only got the system restore partition and when you power it on its being set up for the first time.
When you get into the country and to somewhere (relatively safe) you connect to the Internet and download a backup which you then restore.
Before you leave the country you wipe and leave the devices in the sa
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Well, they would the keychain then. Do you think they're stupid or what?
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Well, they would the keychain then. Do you think they're stupid or what?
That's why (when I'm travelling at least) I keep the keychain out of their jurisdiction. Proper law enforcement agencies can go through proper channels, and can see if they can get a Canadian court to issue a warrant to get it. Best of luck to them.
As for everyone else, well, without physical access to the keychain, they're out of luck.
Yaz
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They interrogate me or hit me over the head all day and night long, and they aren't going to get anything.
The thing is, if they're doing that, you probably want to be in a situation to give them your password. If they're not doing it, you can just refuse.
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They can make you reset your passwords.
Just because you don't know your Facebook password doesn't mean you can't login, it just means you need to reset it.
The keychain doesn't help you with that.
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They can make you reset your passwords.
Just because you don't know your Facebook password doesn't mean you can't login, it just means you need to reset it.
The keychain doesn't help you with that.
Except that my e-mail passwords are also long, random strings that I don't know, and password resets typically are sent to your e-mail. Those e-mail passwords are stored in my keychain, so it does indeed help with that. If I can't get to the password reset e-mail and link, I can't reset my password.
Yaz
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So you don't plan to use your e-mail while you're traveling?
Fair enough, but then why bring your computer at all, if you can't do anything with it?
If I was a border agent and you were telling me all this, I'd find it rather hard to believe that you brought your computer, that can't log into anything and you don't have the ability to do so. I think I'd hold you for awhile until my experts could have a crack at your machine and see if a week in detention might change your mind.
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So you don't plan to use your e-mail while you're traveling?
Fair enough, but then why bring your computer at all, if you can't do anything with it?
If I was a border agent and you were telling me all this, I'd find it rather hard to believe that you brought your computer, that can't log into anything and you don't have the ability to do so. I think I'd hold you for awhile until my experts could have a crack at your machine and see if a week in detention might change your mind.
A fair question, which has a perfectly valid answer.
If I'm travelling on business, I'll ensure I have my work e-mail available. I have a separate laptop that I use purely for work purposes, and is setup against my workplaces Exchange server. That e-mail address is only used for work related purposes; it's not the e-mail registered against personal services like Facebook, or my banking, /., etc.
So if some border official wants to go through my work e-mails, they're going to have the lawyers of a multi-bill
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The US Government doesn't need your work e-mail password to read your work e-mails, they can go right to the company for that.
Unless your personal mail is via some offshore strange e-mail server, they likely don't need that either, since Gmail, Outlook, etc. also will provide access when requested.
As to Facebook, likewise, they don't need your password for that. It is stuff stored locally on your hard drive that they need a password for.
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Perhaps I should have been more clear... why bring your computer i
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Please sir/maam bend over this desk, it won't hurt much and if you don't resist you might enjoy it. Want to keep your dignity and the dignity of all those others subject to the same thing, resist. The more we resist the more likely that the person asking you to bend over will be prosecuted rather than you. From my perspective I will enjoy resisting far more than I would selling out my soul bending over, for others sure for what ever perverse reasons they prefer bending over. Slave or free person make a cho
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Now this isn't fair and we should have legal protection against officials for even asking the question,
Here in Germany, there are certain questions that by law are not permissible to be asked in certain contexts. However, of course it happens anyway. So by legal precedent after a few court cases, the current legal situation is that if you are asked such an inappropriate question, you have a legal right to lie.
The primary example is pregnancy. Employers are not allowed to ask a woman if she is currently pregnant or plans to become pregnant soon during job interviews. But if they do, she can lie. Usually, if y
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To bad Julian Assange quit maintaining the Rubberhose filesystem [wikipedia.org] that way they could decrypt any number of hidden volumes and the real valuable information could remain hidden.
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respectively, no, yes, yes, yes, no, no, and it's complicated.
deniable enc: rubberhose, phonebookfs, librecrypt (Score:4, Interesting)
That's called "deniable encryption" and it's quite common. I made my own implementation (I'm a security professional) . Well known implementations include the rubberhose filesystem, phonebookfs, and librecrypt.
A simple implementation is as follows:
Encrypt the disk with a few decoy files on it, along with some videos or other randomish bytes to fill the disk.
Then delete the videos.
You will now have a disk which, when decrypted, is full of randomish bytes plus a few files.
Defrag the disk.
The large empty space created by defrag is where your hidden, inner encrypted volume will go.
Select any encryption which does not include a plaintext header.
Create an encrypted volume in the free space.
Do not write to the outer, decoy volume.
It's that last bit that more complex systems handle - allowing you to change the decoy data without affecting the inner volume.
Repeat as many times as desired, nesting volumes within volumes. You may choose to have a large inner volume with your porn collection alongside a much smaller one that contains the real secrets.
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Perhaps they just put you in a 7 foot by 10 foot concrete box until you figure out how to tell them.
You asked what they can threaten you with, that is one thing.
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Maybe you're the exception and you won't talk if I break your fingers,
Do you up have no one in your life that you care about? What if I start breaking their fingers?
I don't know about everyone, but if someone put a gun to my child's head, I would do anything they tell me to do.
NSA (Score:5, Interesting)
...every time I type them, I assume.
Another option for the poll... (Score:2)
I don't bother with such things, go ask google for them.
Here ya go (Score:2)
My password is ********. I've made it that in the hopes that some day, I'll need to give tech support my password.
"... only if we're married or similarly situated" (Score:5, Interesting)
I answered, "... only if we're married or similarly situated", but even then it's not so cut and dried. I generally don't even let my wife have my passwords, but there is a paper note with the master password to my password vault that she can access if there's a dire need.
It doesn't help that whatever I do (including setting up her own password vaults), she keeps terrible passwords for herself, and forgets them on a regular basis. Whenever she needs to access files on the NAS even with her own ID, I need to reset her password etc. This is frustrating to say the least.
-- Pete.
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My first thought when I saw the poll options was "if you share passwords with your spouse, put your nerd card into the box near the exit and leave".
I was married happily for a decade, but never shared passwords. There's one hundred ways to give your spouse access (normal or emergency) to your data for emergencies without handing out passwords. Encryption keys are about the only thing you might have to share, because we don't have many non-theoretical multi-key-encryption systems around. But passwords? What
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I would love it if I could give my wife a fallback password that doesn't work until a certain amount of time has elapsed without a normal login.
If I haven't logged into my bank account in 2 weeks, I'm definitely dead.
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If you don't trust your wife with access to your accounts, just do what the OP said and put the password on a piece of paper in a tamper-evident envelope in a safe place that only you and her have access to. She can then get to it whenever she needs to, but it will be obvious to you if it is ever accessed.
I subscribed to the idea of choosing a mate that I can completely trust. This world is a hell of a lot easier to get through when you know that someone has your back.
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If you don't trust your wife with access to your accounts, just do what the OP said and put the password on a piece of paper in a tamper-evident envelope in a safe place that only you and her have access to. She can then get to it whenever she needs to, but it will be obvious to you if it is ever accessed.
I subscribed to the idea of choosing a mate that I can completely trust. This world is a hell of a lot easier to get through when you know that someone has your back.
People change. The person you married ten years ago is not the same person you see every day today.
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If you don't trust you wife with your passwords, then you have bigger problems.
My wife gave birth to my three children, I have no secrets from her.
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You let your wife have the money, but not the passwords?
Seriously, if you don't trust her with everything, why the hell are you married to her?
Apple store asks for it. (Score:2)
I was quite surprised that the (very nice) Apple genius asked me for my password when I left my Macbook air for repair. Seemed part of the typical routine. I declined (with a strange look on my face), told him there's a guest account if they need to check anything. He was obviously fine with it. I asked him if many people gave it out; je told me that 99% do.
no xkcd reference? (Score:5, Insightful)
My passwords are strong but I'd probably give them up if someone started hitting me with a $5 wrench.
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I forgot (Score:2)
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Trading your password for a candy bar... (Score:2)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/tec... [bbc.co.uk]
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How do they know it was the real password? Trading a random word for a candy bar: Not really a problem.
My password is my dog's name. My dog is named %8Nk=14hD
I can't legally give you my password (Score:4, Interesting)
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If a court in the UK orders me to disclose my password then that court order takes precedent over any legal documents I've signed relating to passwords.
The court (and its appointed officers) can similarly use that password without breaching the law, because the law explicitly permits this.
Your jurisdiction may differ.
Some not all to some not all people. (Score:2)
Never. (Score:2)
Doubt that I would be able (Score:3)
I don't remember my passwords as something I can write down on paper or recite.
I can type them in normal circumstances but if I am under any kind of stress (such as having just mistyped once), then I can't. In fact, I need the visual clues from being at my usual desk/terminal/cave in order to type one correctly. That's how I type the right password depending on the situation.
If I were to be detained at an airport then it is *highly* unlikely that I would be able to give them up.
Really.
How about you guys?
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some (Score:2)
distress passwords (Score:3)
I so much wish that more software would support distress passwords at all.
It should be mandatory for all OS to include this feature, because this is the first password that thugs will encounter. Please, Apple, give me one password that will kill all processes, shut down the system with Filevault properly in place and reset all system passwords to, say, a very, very long complex master password that nobody can remember so when I got it at system install, I wrote it down and put it into a safe.
Yes, my local security service can still get that safe and beat the combination out of me (or get a warrant for the bank), but some random foreign border agent can't.
Ummm (Score:3)
I love and trust my wife. She has the keys to my house, she has the keys to my car, she has the joint credit cards, she has the joint checking account, she has the joint savings account.
But my passwords? To quote Weird Al, I'm just not ready for that kind of a commitment.
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I used to trust my daughter implicitly. She and I shared the same PIN on our bank accounts, (and mine was rigged so I could easily electronically transfer funds into her account) and I didn't lock my PC at home. This worked until she was about 19, when she started developing an anxiety disorder. It took one incident of her rifling through my stuff during an hysterical episode, and I locked everything down. Including the router and my netflix account (which I later dropped). I understand, she's not well
Sorry. Can't give you any. (Score:2)
My computer managed my passwords. In Ram. In the process of stealing my computer your henchmen insisted in powering it down, destroying the passwords in the process.
I'm terribly sorry.
I have in fact forgotten my Keepass password (Score:2)
(Just to be on record for the government) since I probably reboot instead of suspend my linux laptop once every month or two when Im home.
The process to recover it is interesting. I might not be able to describe it in adequate detail much less them understand it from the police station so they might just torture me to death out of annoyance.
I'm old. (Score:3)
I'm old. I can't remember any passwords, sorry. What, how do I unlock my phone? I don't. I wait for someone to call me.
password (Score:2)
yes you can have it
user = guest
password= password
just do not press the big angry looking red button that says "DO NOT PRESS"
( as the virus researcher giggles all the way home , haaa,hasaa,haaa )
I refuse on grounds of self-incrimination. (Score:2)
On my encrypted volume I posess atricles of software and media, which I obtained legally, but I don't possess proofs of the purchase. Some of the original media, receipts and other such were destroyed in an accident. By providing access to contents of my hard drive I would expose myself to copyright lawsuit which would require me to produce these proofs. Therefore, I plead the fifth amendment.
Sorry, I can't help, but I just can't reacll any,. (Score:2)
Really.
I don't know what my passwords are. I just know how to type them.
Touch typing and muscle memory make for interesting capabilities.
What could happen in a real situation? (Score:2)
Cave in? ....
Be nervous?
Remember a password?
Ah - wrong password, sorry - maybe this?
Darn, wrong again, sorry, maybe transposing letters, try this.
Let me try it
device wipes.....
Oh, sorry...
Consequence: possible obstruction of justice - hard to proof under applied stress.
Old "venerable" Blackberry devices have the feature to wipe when a set number of unsuccessful pw. attempts happen.
Question here:
Is that such an app to do this?
Maybe enter a wipe password?
No need to remember or store passwords (Score:2)
Pretty much every site has an option to reset your password by sending a unique code to a previously registered email account or phone. There's really no need to remember or store a password; just reset it every time you want to log in.
Of course, that implies that you will still need to know the password to your email account, unless you use a disposable email address such as those offered by mailinator.com . (Hint: use a different disposable address for each site to maximize security.)
Sure, it's "baloney1" (Score:2)
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What happens if you say: "screw you bitches I'm going home?" You technically haven't entered yet if you haven't passed border control right?
You Insensitive Clod! (Score:3)
"screw you bitches I'm going home?"
That's my password!
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Sweet. I mouthed off to a TSA agent (I'm also Canadian) when I saw they had a fingerprint scanner. I had a connecting flight that I had a 30min window to catch (thank you Expedia, it all worked out) going from NYC to TO. I literally said "I'm not staying in your hell whole you can't have my damn fingerprints". They let me through. Not sure if they were supposed to but ... Sorry I'm not giving a foreign government my biometrics when I'm walking from one gate to another. Bad enough I had to get my bags and re
Re:In all seriousness, (Score:5, Funny)
Well, use "5th amendment" as password, so when you get questioned just answer "5th amendment".
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Well, use "5th amendment" as password, so when you get questioned just answer "5th amendment".
'5th amendment', 'I want a lawyer', 'I can't remember' are going to become standard passwords that anyone will try out before even asking you!
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5th Amendment!
numbers, letters, mixed case, special characters, 14 digits.
You might be on to something.
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On the other hand, as long as the password exists only in your head, you cannot be forced by the state (at least legally) to divulge said passwords by invoking your right against self-incrimination (in the U.S.).
Here in the UK I can bet sent to prison for 5 years or something for not revealing a password or encryption key if a warrant orders it, which is why I answered "... if you send me a nice warrant first". I am not willing to risk 5 years in prison since I have a family to support.
This makes no difference to me though since I lead a pretty boring existence and nothing I use passwords for would be of any interests to the authorities anyway.
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Perhaps you existence is boring, but the way the world is going, could there be someone who would be hurt if you were hurt? And that someone doing something that the powers-that-be might find irritating?
If you haven't seen the film Brazil (with Robert de Niro) go watch it, sometimes, they get you by mistake.
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...nothing I use passwords for would be of any interests to the authorities anyway.
No, comrade, we are always interested in all of our citizens! We always like to check in on what they've been doing . . . . whether we need to or not.
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But to access the passwords in my password safe, I am required to enter a password that is only in my head. So, can the government force me to divulge my password to my password safe?
I'd like to know the answer to this too.
And as a follow up question, what about passwords I don't fully trust to the password safe, but keep part of in the safe and part in my head...
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I've wondered about this too, and the answer I'm going to give to the interrogators is, "Gee whiz, I downloaded the trial version of that password manager but decided not to buy it. And no, the master password isn't written down so I don't have to give it to you."
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I imagine not, since that password is only in your head.
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> and one for immediate self destruct
I think this could be the real solution, if we could figure out a practical, effective implementation. I don't think a nuclear device necessarily, maybe a very small thermite charge. But probably the best solution would be something that imitates unrecoverable disk corruption. "Oh, darn. Well, you know computers. Always doing that."
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Me either, for the same reason. Well, I do know my password to start Keepass.
There are two password databases, one kept on relatively public cloud services. (Google Drive, Amazon, Dropbox, I won't say). It is linked to a password that can be typed on a phone and a keyfile that exists on my tablet and phone. This contains email passwords, social network and Steam passwords, etc. Stuff that I use on those devices. Then it gets deleted from the device, cause who needs to be carrying it all the time.
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Nerds love to come up with solutions like that.
Oh noes, it is encrypted and complex, they'll just give up and send me on my way.
No, what'll happen is that they'll ask you for your password, you'll say you don't know it, they'll ask how do you log in, you'll say you don't remember. They'll reply that you aren't leaving until you do and you'll go sit in a room for an hour alone, then they'll ask again.
You'll plead whatever and they'll then put you in an overnight holding tank, the next day they'll ask again,