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Comments: 214 +-   China Vows to Stop the Rain on Thursday January 31 2008, @02:01PM

Posted by samzenpus on Thursday January 31 2008, @02:01PM
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Since the Olympic stadium doesn't have a roof, the Beijing Meteorological Bureau has been given the task of making sure the games remain dry. According to Zhang Qian, head of weather manipulation (best title to have on a business card ever) at the bureau, they've had success with light rain but heavy rain remains tough to control. I see a hurricane cannon in some lucky country's future.
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eldavojohn writes "While we made light of it before, the MIT Review is taking a serious look at China's plans to prevent rain over their open 91,000 seat arena for The Olympics. From the article: 'China's national weather-engineering program is also the world's largest, with approximately 1,500 weather modification professionals directing 30 aircraft and their crews, as well as 37,000 part-time workers — mostly peasant farmers — who are on call to blast away at clouds with 7,113 anti-aircraft guns and 4,991 rocket launchers.' They plan on demonstrating their ability to control the weather to the rest of the world, and expanding on their abilities in the future."
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  • I can just imagine (Score:5, Interesting)

    by WormholeFiend (674934) on Thursday January 31 2008, @02:03PM (#22249950)
    what the post-opening propaganda will be like if that day turns out to have sunny blue skies...
    • Don't worry. With all the dust storms they get when there's no rain, they best they can hope for is that the east will be red.
  • by Fysiks Wurks (949375) on Thursday January 31 2008, @02:04PM (#22249964)
    He always wanted to know "who'll stop the rain?" The Chinese.
  • So they can control the rain. But where does all of that energy go?
    • Re:Action/Reaction? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 31 2008, @02:13PM (#22250146)
      They don't actually *stop* the rain. It's most likely cloud seeding and similar... removing all the water from the clouds by making it fall early one way or another. Now, large scale weather manipulation is bad... but a few weeks in one city isn't going to hurt anything. Yea yea, butterfly effect and all... but also dynamic equilibrium.
  • What in the hell? (Score:5, Informative)

    by LordKaT (619540) on Thursday January 31 2008, @02:05PM (#22249982) Homepage Journal
    Am I the only one seeing this retarded mess of a theme on idle.*?

    •   no. i'm seeing it as well. caught me off-guard, but i'm waiting to see if its a fluke or a permanent change.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      It's ugly and weird and scary :(
    • by croddy (659025) on Thursday January 31 2008, @02:16PM (#22250196)
      holy hell man this is the ugliest theme i have ever seen. make it stop!!!
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Exactly my thoughts. First the retarded comment system, now this. Looks like Sourceforge Inc is desperately trying to save on server costs by losing visitors.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      Eyes... Burning...Must... Make it stop!
      *smashes monitor*
    • by jez9999 (618189) on Thursday January 31 2008, @03:30PM (#22251610) Homepage Journal
      You must be new to Slashdot. You know how most site developers have a local copy of the site that they test on and then sync to the main site when they're finished? With Slashdot, that's the main site.
      • doesn't render properly on firefox 2.0 either
        • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

          by Anonymous Coward

          doesn't render properly on firefox 2.0 either
          Your mom doesn't render properly in Firefox 2.0 EITHER!

          OH SNAP!
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Yeah. They were clearly designed to be on a white background. If the background of the actual story was white I would not have a problem with this layout it. Well besides the initial "What happened to my Slashdot!" factor and a few small size issues.
  • Any of you ever played that game? This reminds me of a quote by the evil genius: "Everyone talks about the weather, but nobody ever does anything about the weather. Well, I'm going to do something about it".
  • by randyest (589159) on Thursday January 31 2008, @02:07PM (#22250034) Homepage
    I think I'd prefer to get wet or use an umbrella than breathe the horrible smog [guardian.co.uk] that blankets Beijing. In fact, the rain is often the only thing that reduces the smog and air pollution for a shirt while.

    NPR had a story about how they're forcing 1/3 of the cars to stay off the road and shutting down a bunch of factories to try to reduce the air pollution for the olympics. Maybe just letting (or making) it rain, instead of stopping it from raining, would do even more good.
    • The other one I heard is how olympic athletes were debating practicing in high Smog areas so they would be better prepared for the conditions. :)
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      I think I'd prefer to get wet or use an umbrella than breathe the horrible smog [guardian.co.uk] that blankets Beijing. In fact, the rain is often the only thing that reduces the smog and air pollution for a shirt while.

      Wired actually had an article, Smog and Mirrors [wired.com], about this exact same thing. They actually wrote the opposite of TFA:

      And there's always the Hail Mary play: cloud seeding. Should air quality threaten to steal the show, the Beijing Meteorological Bureau promises to have its fleet of clo

      • by randyest (589159) on Thursday January 31 2008, @02:18PM (#22250244) Homepage
        That sure seems more reasonable. But what would make the most sense, to me, would be to have used some of that cheap labor to build some indoor stadiums and HEPA air filters. I mean, who wants to sit for hours outside breathing air that, on most days, is considered "very dangerous to breathe," raining or not?
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      In a strange (?) coincidence, China is experiencing blizzards that have severely hindered their railway system [nytimes.com] due to the difficulties of shipping coal. It might not be that bad come summer time, but who knows. It might help them realize that their dependence on coal is infeasible. And maybe the US should take heed.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        What sort of energy supply *isn't* affected by a blizzard? Anything that uses fuel relies on transportation links, and everything else relies on geography. Blizzards take down the thousand-mile power lines that get wind and solar to cities just as easily as they take down a train. I would say that shipping coal across a country is actually probably *better* than shipping oil halfway around the world.
  • So that explains the snow...
  • by KublaiKhan (522918) on Thursday January 31 2008, @02:10PM (#22250086) Homepage Journal
    Not exactly 'new' tech...the silver iodide version's been around forever, and the liquid nitrogen version doesn't sound particularly revolutionary.

    It does, however, go along with the Chinese cultural desire to control the elements, which heretofore has been embodied mostly with the rivers--the legendary "Yellow Emperor" was the first to stop the flooding of the Yang Tze; the current government has thrown massive resources into the Three Gorges dam. Controlling the rivers has been traditionally (as far as I recall, anyway) seen as evidence of controlling the land, and thus of being a legitimate government.

    Controlling the rain, then, would be an extension of this.
    • Controlling the people has been traditionally (as far as I recall, anyway) seen as evidence of controlling the land, and thus of being a legitimate government.
      Fixed that for you.
      • by KublaiKhan (522918) on Thursday January 31 2008, @02:39PM (#22250576) Homepage Journal
        Controlling the water means you control the people, as well--remember, China has been, traditionally, a largely agricultural country, dependent upon a certain flood cycle.

        If you control the rivers, you control the land they feed and drain. If you control the feeding and draining, you control the people who need that feeding and draining to survive, and to grow food. If you control the people who grow food, you control the people who need food--and that's more or less everyone.

        It all comes back to the water.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 31 2008, @02:12PM (#22250114)
    Chinese military transport aircraft will take off from Beijing loaded with kids and gigantic loudspeakers. You will hear chants of "Rain, Rain, Go Away, Come Back Again Another Day".
  • I highly doubt it - they're more likely to be able to get human rights (and not by some economist's perversion of it) improved to US/Canada/EU levels.

    I (and a non-ignorable amount of others) will boycott these Olympics.

    • awe. poor pity.
    • That's it, now that you are boycotting the Olympics, they will surely cancel them.

      Yet another example of the Chinese government caving in to the pressure from a random slashdotter
      • I highly doubt it.

        An Olympic boycott was imposed against South Africa by the IOC itself in 1964 because of apartheid; it worked. In 1980, the US and 60 other countries boycotted the Moscow Olympics because of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan; within three years the USSR was crumbling.

        Those who argue against boycotts say that "being there" matters more: I disagree, it just gives comfort to tyrants.

        In 1987, President Reagan bluntly told the South Korean junta that, unless it brought in democracy, the US would boycott the 1988 Seoul Olympics: democracy was introduced.

        Source: Edward McMillan-Scott, the Yorkshire Post, UK, 18 January 2008.

  • What is the Best Part of Being a Super Villain?

    One weather controlling, doomsday device, please!
  • that's how rain making works with silver iodide

    with that effect in mind, china has a surefire way to stop the rain: stop producing so much particulate matter

    turn off the coal plants in may

    by 8/8/8, you're good to go
  • by Laguerre (1198383) on Thursday January 31 2008, @02:26PM (#22250352)

    Zhang Qian, head of weather manipulation (best title to have on a business card ever)
    Mad scientists can't start out being James Bond villains. This seems like a great place for an aspiring mad scientist to work, fresh out of mad grad school.
  • Vote:

    *All your weather are belong to us
    *Only old North Koreans need dry stadiums
    *In Maoist China, rain drops YOU!
    *Imagine a Beijing-Wolf cluster of dry stadiums!

    and the obligatory

    *I for one welcome our new weather-controlling communist overlords
  • He says that during his Live in Red Square concert, it looked like there was going to be a storm, and officials sent a bunch of fighter jets scrambling over them causing the clouds to disappear, and soon after, it was a warm, sunny day. The story was much more detailed than that. It involved some official giving him assurance that the weather would be good on the day of the concert and other bits. A lot more interesting than I am able to recall right now.

    I wish I could remember when he said that, I could po
  • by henrypijames (669281) on Thursday January 31 2008, @02:44PM (#22250690) Homepage
    This thing isn't new at all: Eighteen years ago, at the 1990 Asian Games in Beijing, the organizers already managed to control the rain quite successfully. For instance, the opening ceremony which would have been disrupted by rain without intervention, ran smoothly in fairly sunny weather instead.

    The technique is simple: Detect in advance the clouds which could cause rain in Beijing, then send airplanes to spread special dust particles to cause those clouds to rain immediately, thus "empty" them before they reach Beijing.

    I'm quite convinced the Chinese aren't the only ones who's done this.
  • by EdBear69 (823550) on Thursday January 31 2008, @04:01PM (#22252248)
    So if they stop a hurricane in China, does that mean a butterfly here will stop flapping its wings?
  • Perhaps heat. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by foxtrot (14140) on Thursday January 31 2008, @08:10PM (#22256194)
    Believe it or not, the United States already has this technology. And it's in the hands of the rednecks.

    There's a stock car track in Bristol, TN that holds 165,000 people, and has 43 800+ horsepower cars running around an oval just a shade over a half mile long. This generates a lot of heat-- body heat, engine heat, heat from tires cornering on concrete fast enough to turn fifteen second laps. Enough heat that, as long as the race is still running, rain clouds can blow over Bristol, drench the entire city with rain, but the pocket of high pressure due to the heat (and possibly some counter-clockwise swirling motion due to the cars) will keep the rain from passing directly over the track.

    If the caution flag flies and the cars slow down for too long, thus slowing the heat output and cooling the track, the rain may start to fall on the track, but it takes one heck of a storm to make the rain fall while the race is green-flagged.

    -F
  • by Fantastic Lad (198284) on Thursday January 31 2008, @09:43PM (#22257016)
    I don't like to rustle up fear where none is needed, but you can start wars with that kind of imperial over-confidence.

    Seriously. After having had a long discussion with a very propagandized Chinese student who was filled to the brim with all kinds of English-hating, One-China, Taiwan-is-ours, imperialistic lunacy which is being fed wholesale to the half billion horney and doomed-never-to-have-wives young male population, I got a bunch of the bad chills and had to change my prosaic views on what China was all about.

    This weather manipulation thing is almost certainly propaganda for its own people designed to instill even further levels of insane national pride.


    -FL

    • If it's too expensive to roof the entire stadium, they could just make hundreds of thousands of tiny roofs, and maybe put them on top of sticks. Then all they do is handle these little portable roofs out to all the people attending. The athletes of course might have a problem, but the actual area they compete in is much smaller and it should be much cheaper to build a roof there. Hey, someone call Bezos, maybe he can patent that portable roof idea.
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