6-Year-Old Says Grand Theft Auto Taught Him To Drive 504
nandemoari writes "A six-year-old who recently stole his parents' car and drove it into a utility pole has passed the buck onto a familiar scapegoat: the video game, Grand Theft Auto.
Rockstar Games' controversial Grand Theft Auto video game has been criticized by parent groups and crusaders (or in the eyes of gamers, nincompoops) like former lawyer Jack Thompson for years (Thompson once tried to link the Virginia Tech slayings to late-night Counterstrike sessions. He's since been disbarred). However, not as of yet has anyone under the age of, oh, ten, blamed the game for a car theft."
Prosecute the parents (Score:5, Insightful)
It doesn't take that much effort to monitor your kids. But it does mean saying no and standing up to their whining and crying. It does mean dealing with the inconvenience of not being able to always do what you want to do and having to spend some time actively engaging them.
If this kid was playing GTA, then there should be additional charges filed against his parents.
Next up... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:5, Insightful)
Even better reason (Score:5, Insightful)
The parents had car keys where the six year old could get them?
With kids, everything is on high security lockdown. Especially when young.
I'll bet his was surprised when the pole didn't just fly out the way gracefully, thank goodness ho found a pole before a hooker.
I wish I could tag (Score:5, Insightful)
Bad parenting.
How many kids used to grow up emulating old western movies?
What about the Rocky movies?
Footloose?
Most of the time, decent parents stop the children before they act out gun fights, boxing matches, and tractor chicken.
Stop blaming your environment and start taking responsibility for yourselves!
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:5, Insightful)
You should probably be more concerned with the parts where you kill people.
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's mod the parent "Redundant". Not because it isn't valid. It's basically the only reasonable response to stories like this and I would hope the majority of posts that follow are in the same vein. But hot dang, we've beaten this to death and now it's like we're just indulging it. Mod this story redundant.
The news story shouldn't be:
6 Year Old Blames GTA for Car Crash.
The story is:
6 Year Old Crashes Car
or
6 Year Old Allowed to Play GTA
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Next up... (Score:5, Insightful)
I got addicted to speed from Pac-Man. He pops one pill, and suddenly he's moving faster and can beat the crap out of the bullies chasing him. Fruit gives you points, but pills are good for you.
Re:I wish I could tag (Score:3, Insightful)
We acted out gun fights all the time. Our guns shot water, though. This kid had a REAL car.
this is such bad parenting. (Score:5, Insightful)
I would love for this to go to court and have them use this GTA defense. I totally agree. GTA is a danger to kids. We should keep it away from kids.
That being said, keep it the fuck away from kids.
My dad used to work at walmart for his retirement job and he would tell parents he wasn't going to sell them M rated games if they had little kids with them. The management backed him on it too.
Everyone who works in retail has an obligation to let parents know that games have ratings. There is such a thing as games for adults.
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:1, Insightful)
You're a reactionary idiot. The story is almost certainly misstating what actually happened, yet you appear to believe it completely and mindlessly lash out at the child's parents. Make no mistake, sometimes parents are at fault for the poor behavior of their children; however, sometimes they are not. There is no possible way of knowing the circumstances from the story, thus passing judgment either way is the height of arrogance.
Re:I wish I could tag (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, to be fair, the kid said the game taught him how to drive, not that driving was ok or that he was allowed to.
The 6 year old missed the bus and his mom would get up to take him to the school so the kid grabed the keys and went almost there. The cops took him the rest of the way. The mom told him she had to take a nap, it seems like the kid was used to doing things himself in that family. Anyways, he didn't tell the cops that the game made him think it was ok to drive, he said he learned how to drive from playing the game. He probably learned just as much from watching mommy drive too.
Re:Even better reason (Score:5, Insightful)
The parents had car keys where the six year old could get them?
Your parents didn't?
As far as I can recall, my parents have put their keys and wallet/purse in the same easy-to-reach place for over 20 years.
Really, it isn't like kids didn't go joyriding in or steal cars 'back in the day',
the media just didn't sensationalize it by shouting "ZOMG VIDEO GAMEZ"
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:5, Insightful)
not a story about Jack (Score:1, Insightful)
The summary associates this story with Jack Thompson's disbarment, which is irrelevant. Should we continue to expect such childish guilt-by-association from Slashdot, in place of reasoned argument?
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Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:3, Insightful)
How can it teach him to drive anyway?
Apparently he crashed...
Re:this is such bad parenting. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:this is such bad parenting. (Score:5, Insightful)
Now, see, I have an issue with this. As a gamer who is also a father, it is indeed possible that my son may be with me at some point where I am buying an "M" rated game. My son is quite young right now, so no employee could realistically believe that he's going to be playing the game, but 8 years from now or so, I foresee myself still playing and buying games. What then? I have to leave him at home or tell him to bugger off to look at the TVs while I pay for the game?
And my age group gets older, this situation is going to become more and more common.
Re:Even better reason (Score:5, Insightful)
The parents had car keys where the six year old could get them?
With kids, everything is on high security lockdown. Especially when young.
I'll bet his was surprised when the pole didn't just fly out the way gracefully, thank goodness ho found a pole before a hooker.
My six year old son can drive games like tux cart and mario cart. He watches my wife and I drive. he knows where the car keys are too, but I am not the slightest bit concerned that he will start doing adult things like driving the car.
A six year old is perfectly capable of knowing the difference between right and wrong without being wrapped in cotton wool.
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Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:5, Insightful)
Note that even as a lefty-moderate, I actually don't see anything wrong with guns. I do love me some shootin', and properly handled and locked up, they're no more dangerous than a hammer or any other object that could be used to kill someone.
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:3, Insightful)
This is all rubbish anyway, GTA doesn't teach you how to drive. I played driving games, but when I stepped into a car it took me about ten minutes to make the thing move at all, and that's with an instructor.
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:3, Insightful)
Hard to kill someone at ten yards with a hammer
Don't read too often about the 7 year old who accidentally killed his playmate when he found his dad's toolbox unlocked.
school children are almost never killed in the crossfire in drive by nailings
so guns are in fact more dangerous than hammers.
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:4, Insightful)
I think you're beating a non-existent issue in this case,from reading the article on this. I'm not very sure how much GTA had to do with anything here: within minutes of the kid getting picked up by the cops, his dad was issued with a charge of criminal negligence due to a previous court order which ordered him not to leave the kid alone, and the kid stole the car to get to school and get some food.
That seems to say that there are previous, serious home issues here, not something that can be explained away by a stupid knee-jerk, blame-the-game reaction.
Not sure which version of GTA he may have had access to, but mine didn't show me how to turn the key while pushing the gas pedal down with the car in park.
Besides, the kid stole the car to get to school so that he could get some food, which is incredibly sad. It's guessed that, as he is not tall for his age, he was standing on the pedals, and at some points he was exceeding 70 MPH.
The only inference I can see to GTA is his drivintg style: speeding, overtaking, too, and an attempt at a pass on a double solid while traffic was oncoming led to him losing control and smacking the pole.
But my argument still is: someBODY actually taught him to drive- not some game.
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:2, Insightful)
I could kill someone at ten yards with a hammer if i threw it.... And what if kids took the recipe for a potato gun at high velocity and shot up their school in a "drive-by potato-ing"
Re:games don't create accidents. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:5, Insightful)
Gloria: Daddy, do you realize there were x number of murders committed with guns last year?
Archie: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they were pushed out of windows?
You cannot learn to drive by playing GTA (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Even better reason (Score:5, Insightful)
Not that I disagree with you. I agree in almost all counts, but there are cases where the obvious social "rights" and "wrongs" are not so obvious. To my oldest they are obvious. To my child with Asperger's Syndrome they are not so obvious. He in fact decided to take the car for a drive once (probably at about this same age). He was able to unlock the car, put the key in the ignition and put it into neutral. He didn't have starting the car figured out, so it just rolled until the topography stopped it.
My son didn't end up hurting anyone or doing any property damage, but to him it wasn't obvious that what he was doing was wrong. I could see a small possibility of the kid in the story in a sense being conditioned to joyride in his parents' car from playing GTA, but that assumes that the kid has some neurological condition apart from stupid parents. He might have still done this, but the likelihood could increase if he is playing games that portray it as normal.
Ultimately the kid has stupid parents. They don't have the sense to raise a productive member of society. I think the story further illustrates their stupidity in their passing the buck to the game. He learned that behavior from them and/or they are enablers for his perpetuating that "skill" learned elsewhere. If it was just a story of some kid that fundamentally had a problem differentiating "right" and "wrong" jacking his parents' car and hitting a pole we have no story (unless some advocacy group wants to raise awareness for his condition). Instead we have the hackneyed story of "the game made me do something stupid, and the parents who enabled me."
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:5, Insightful)
Father of a two year old, uncle of a 3 and a 1 year old: Some above comments speak of locking everything down when kids are involved. Well that's just not always possible, however my daughter (or nieces under my care) has (have) _never_ gotten into anything dangerous. Be it cleaning supplies, any of my guns or ammo, toolboxes, knife drawer or even so much as a fire ring while camping.
God forbid it may happen one day, but god willing I or my wife will be there, close by and prepared to handle the situation.
Now jokes aside if this young boy actually spent enough time playing GTA to figure he could drive, and his parents had not yet taught him the difference between a game and reality. AND they allowed this boy to exit the house, keys in hand, and take control of a motor vehicle then there is absolutely no one at fault then his own parents.
You simply do not know what a child will do at any given time. You as the adult, guardian, mentor and/or parent MUST keep one eye or ear firmly dedicated to them. You must take responsibility when they knock things down at the store, show them how to apologize when you walk in front of an old man at McDonalds, and for they're sake monitor what they are doing in the moments before these things happen. It might not be an old guy in a wheelchair sometime, it could be a bus.
Taught him to drive? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Even better reason (Score:4, Insightful)
But even so, children must be taught right from wrong by their parents or else they will learn it from the media (like GTA) and other strangers (including other children) who teach their own standards.
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:4, Insightful)
There's one difference between said gun and said hammer â" the hammer has another purpose. Which is why most countries (but not the US) limit gun use to only people who have another purpose for the gun.
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Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:4, Insightful)
the other difference between a gun and a hammer is that when both are held by an attacker and an intended victim, only the gun offers either a level field or possibly gives the victim an advantage, where the hammer gives the advantage to whoever is strongest and most violent.
The real culprit: Automatic transmission (Score:4, Insightful)
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Eh? (Score:3, Insightful)
I guess it's one of those old things, both my parents, my uncle and most of my family either grew up on farms or lived on farms at one time or another. Came with the life, you learned what you needed to do to get through the day. This however, seems to be a blame game. Bad parenting? I'd say no parenting. Just another example of an adult dropping their kid in front of the TV and walking away. I'd say child, but obviously they didn't try to go that far.
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:5, Insightful)
GTA? (Score:4, Insightful)
BY WATCHING MY PARENTS DO IT.
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Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:1, Insightful)
>Clearly guns don't kill people -- cars kill people. Unlike a car, however, only a gun can protect you from an assailant.
So much wrong think.
Let's start with the first part.
Americans spend 541 hours a year in their cars, or 1.48 hours a day. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=392456
Can you, with a straight face, say the average American man, woman, child, and infant spends 1.48 hours every single day shooting a gun? Can you imagine the number of RSI injuries this would cause? No, you cannot. I would not be surprised if the national average is under 1 minute per day spent shooting a gun in the US.
Based on that idea alone, cars are used 88 times more than guns in the US. Obviously, increased use of a device will increase the likelihood of mistakes. So, cars should show 88 times more accidental uses than guns if they were even EQUALLY safe as guns. Yet cars only show 65x more deaths than guns, according to your statistics. This proves the car is safer than the gun. In fact, since motor vehicle accidents are at the top of your list, it also proves guns are more dangers than anything else in the entirety of the US.
I know you spend 16 hours a day at a gun range. Quiz your neighbours about the last time they fired a gun, never mind how much time a year they spend doing it. You'll find, unless you're WAY out in the country, the last time was probably never. I would say the majority of that minute a year comes from police using firing ranges.
Next, guns protecting you from an assailant. I suppose you're not really getting it here. The intent, when using a gun to protect you from an assailant, if to threaten to shoot them. If they continue doing whatever it is you don't like, you do shoot them. Thus fufilling the fact that guns are injury machines. You will justify this by saying it's okay because the other guy is in the wrong. Unfortunately, numbers don't have those feelings. Using the gun to protect yourself has just increased how dangerous they are. QED.
Now, you are right, you could kill more people with the car. You could actually kill even more people by owning a meat packing plant and poisoning the meat. However, society doesn't look at these uses of the products because they aren't the intended uses, and the unintended uses don't happen often enough to actually worry people (PURPOSEFUL use of a vehicle to injure, not accidental use).
The only use of a gun is a place a projectile in an animal or human. Can you show me a way to actually use a gun any other way? Don't tell me about pointing it at people, that's not using it any more than sleeping in my car is using it.
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:3, Insightful)
a) 1 hammer or
b) 1 gun + 50 rounds
I'd prefer my attacker to have 1 opportunity to kill me, not 50....
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:3, Insightful)
true, mainly due to guns being illegal in most developed countries.
Additionally, you have to look at accidental injuries with hammers vs accidental injuries with guns.
Argh, my thumb hurts v.s.
Argh, I'm bleeding from a hole in my leg.
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:4, Insightful)
The US doesn't do that because we understand that you can't have the other nine rights in the bill of rights if you don't have any way to protect them. Universal rights are a nice idea but in the end they are pure bullshit, and the only rights those you have are those you can keep and hold. Gandhi said that of all the acts of the British, disarming an entire nation would go down among their blackest. Carrying this idea along, do you really trust your government to be in charge of all the guns? I sure as hell don't. And the day I do, you might as well shoot me because I have turned off my fucking brain.
Re:Even better reason (Score:4, Insightful)
But even so, children must be taught right from wrong by their parents or else they will learn it from the media (like GTA) and other strangers (including other children) who teach their own standards.
I would put another spin on this; these parents used GTA4 to teach their child to drive their car.
What precisely did they THINK was going to result from taking a child too young (studies show) to tell the difference between programming and commercials, and putting them down with a video game?
If video games were not valid training aids, the world's militaries wouldn't use them as such.
I'm not saying that video games CAUSE this kind of behavior. Letting TV and video games RAISE your children causes this kind of behavior.
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Re:Wrong! (Score:4, Insightful)
You obviously live in a city.
If you grew up in the country, guns are a way of life, and quite safe.
My parents had guns for years when I was growing up. There were no laws regarding keeping them locked up at the time, so they were sitting on a rack on the wall, unlocked, within easy reach by either of us kids, in the living room.
The bullets were 6 feet away in the top drawer of the filing cabinet beside my mom's desk.
Every farmhouse around us that I ever remember going in had a similar gun rack. I was back to do some work for one of my parent's neighbours recently, and right there in the living room, is the gun rack, still. Now it's locked up, but it's still right there, on the wall beside their dinner table.
We were taught from a very early age that they were not toys, period, and we were not to touch them when our parents were not there. We did occasionally, of course, but never the guns and the bullets at the same time. (They were stored unloaded.)
Our parents did take us out on occasion for shooting practice, as an educational tool. This is how you handle it safely, this is how you aim, etc. Never once did we have an accident, even shooting a rifle at 10 years old or less.
The reason it's different in the country is that, in the city, guns are used as protection against other people, other drug dealers, etc.
In the country, guns are used as protection against wildlife, and sometimes your livelihood, or your very life is threatened by that wildlife.
When your livestock, that you have hundreds of thousands invested in is being attacked by a pack of wolves, are you going to go out with a hammer to try to get them away?
Hell no.
You'll go out with a rifle and start blasting everything that doesn't look like sheep.
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:1, Insightful)
What are you talking about?
I could use a hammer to hit a nail, knock a piece of wood into place, or take a wooden structure apart. It's a tool, it doesn't have some "higher purpose". A gun is also a tool. You could shoot paper for fun (target shooting), go hunting to provide food for your family, or protect your family. The person USING the tool chooses what to do with them, they don't have some intrinsic "purpose".
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:5, Insightful)
MOD PARENT UP (Score:3, Insightful)
i try not to say, "i can do this, but you can't." if Taylor wants to do something he's not ready for i tell him he can learn, but that he's not ready yet. simple as that. there's nothing he cant do. and i down right expect him to take on and be successful at managing all the responsibility of a grown adult, as long as he's had the opportunity to learn how to.
Thank you so much. What is it with people who can't understand this? It's like half of /. got replaced with Helen Lovejoy.
Re:Prosecute the parents (Score:3, Insightful)
Well for a start the game is an 18 certificate in the UK and M in the US
Just because they say it's only for adults doesn't mean it actually is bad for kids. Usually it just means those in power are prudes.
A good parent might actually let their kids play this game if such a thing went hand in hand with frank and open discussion about the issues raised in the game but these people don't sound like they are taking their role as parents very seriously.
See, this I agree with. These parents were definitely negligent in letting the kid get to the car with keys. But letting them play GTA in itself is not evidence in any way of wrong doing.