Microsoft Exec Says, "You'll Miss Vista" 273
Oracle Goddess writes "'Years from now, when you've moved on to Windows 7, you'll look back at Windows Vista fondly. You'll remember its fabulous attributes, not its flaws.' That's the opinion of Steve Guggenheimer, vice president of the OEM division at Microsoft. 'I think people will look back on Vista after the Windows 7 release and realize that there were actually a bunch of good things there,' Guggenheimer said in a recent interview. 'So it'll actually be interesting to see in two years what the perception is of Vista.' A dissenting opinion comes from Bob Nitrio, president of system builder Ranvest Associates, doesn't believe organizations that skipped Vista will ever regret their decision. 'I don't think for a second that people are suddenly going to love Windows 7 so much that they will experience deep pangs of regret for not having adopted Vista,' said Nitrio. If I had to bet, I'd go with Bob's take on it." My first thought was, Steve meant Windows 7 is designed to be virtually unusable as payback for all the complaints about Vista, but I might be biased.
Windows 7 is Vista SP3 (Score:3, Insightful)
So you won't have to look far to see Vista...
I missed Vista (Score:3, Insightful)
And I plan on missing Windows 7, as well.
Re:Do they mean... (Score:3, Insightful)
That was my impression of the summary. What a stupid comment for an Executive to make.
Re:Alas, poor Vista (Score:2, Insightful)
SOBs don't get it. (Score:5, Insightful)
As an end user, I don't want to notice my OS at ALL.
Re:Do they mean... (Score:3, Insightful)
Same. I took it as a threat.
"You'll miss Vista" (Score:4, Insightful)
Only because we haven't been practicing our aim enough.
And what sort of idiot comment is that really from someone at the company? "You'll miss the old product we're replacing." I mean his entire comments are ridiculous. We'll miss the "good things" implying that Windows 7 has removed them.
Surely saying "All that DRM crap that stole your resources and restricted you in Vista... That IS missing from Windows 7" would be the only GOOD thing to miss.
Business schemes of an effective monopoly (Score:4, Insightful)
Another profitable scheme is charging the full price for an upgrade, as though it is a totally new product.
My understanding is that releasing versions of products that aren't finished is also profitable for Microsoft, because then most customers buy new versions immediately. Microsoft Windows Vista, Windows ME, and DOS 3.0 are three examples I think of immediately.
and I miss VT-100's (Score:3, Insightful)
Their text was such a pretty green color, and they could scroll text pixel-line by pixel-line instead of by text rows (or was that just the VT-102?).
I suppose that one could have a similar reminiscence for the vista background color . . .
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George W. Bush (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, and history will redeem George W. Bush too.
Re:Title misleading, er, totally wrong (Score:3, Insightful)
Here is a feature that MS seems to be leading the pack on...Serial keys for the OS coupled with online activation tied to the hardware and a call home mechanism to disable the computer if it is suspected "pirate". The limited reactivation thing and the inability to activate on mismatched hardware is a great feature. I just love being unable to boot a drive from an OEM machine using different hardware. I have BSD, Linux, Solaris, and OS X machines...none of which require serial keys, let alone call home activation crap. That is another great new Vista feature too...the corporate Vistas still require activation even though corporate XP and Win2k3 Server stuff does not.
There is hope for the future...IBM used to be the big asshole, they lost their stranglehold on the industry and had to learn how to be good neighbors. With Linux and OS X on the rise...Google tearing things up...and Firefox gaining speed... Well...MS either will have to learn how to really compete instead of just throwing their weight around and treating the consumer like a suspected criminal...or they will go away. Either way it will be better for everyone involved.
Re:"You'll miss Vista" (Score:2, Insightful)
I agree. If I am going to miss something from the last product, than I can assume that the new product is missing it?
Makes me think, "I miss my old car, it had power steering." I probably got the new car because something was wrong with the old car. And I would expect the new car to have the good things like, power steering.
It's a Delusional Thing To Say (Score:3, Insightful)
The guy sounds like a jilted ex - "You'll miss me when I'm gone!"
News flash Microsoft - there's a bunch of us that won't miss you if the whole company folds, let alone you phasing out a product that was nothing but an interim money grab to please your stockholders while defrauding your customers.
Re:It's a Delusional Thing To Say (Score:3, Insightful)
I have a feeling that the opinion of Vista will stay largely static forever; it may have introduced new features, but it still wasn't that good. This is already how the public feels about WinME -- it added useful features like System Restore, but it wasn't until XP that those features were incorporated in a good OS.
Re:Thanks to Vista's crapiness (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Thanks to Vista's crapiness (Score:5, Insightful)
It costs more, much of the time, to stagnate your career and narrow your opportunities. This "adage" is not reason it shouldn't be done. It is the U in uncertainty and the D in doubt. Why don't you say what you REALLY think? Should people not learn to use Linux? If no, why not? If yes, then why do you feel the need to point out the ridiculous?
"Nothing is free if you spend time doing it." Okay, we get it. Stop having sex with your wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, left or right hand... it's TOO EXPENSIVE because it's not free... don't sleep because it's such a waste of your time. In fact, never stop moving and definitely don't learn anything new because it's not free.
Seriously, what are you trying to say exactly?
Re:The only improvement I've found in Vista (Score:3, Insightful)
I hate it when people try to make this argument...
"There is no reason they couldn't have added that feature to version X, rather than waiting till version Y"
Of course there is a reason, nobody thought of doing it until version Y!!! The creators of version X lacked either the technology, the vision, or the creativity to add that feature.
How about we just say: " There is no reason that the ancient Egyptians couldn't have built spaceships"
They could have built amazing spaceships, if only they had the technology, the vision, and the 3000 years of human experience to decide that we needed to build spaceships.
Re:Thanks to Vista's crapiness (Score:2, Insightful)
It's not really a true 'cost' of learning Linux, because that time will be consumed regardless of whether you use it for something productive like Unix or not, time will pass, and you never get it back.
Just about everyone has some free time. The people that don't have free time are under high stress, and the ultimate health costs of being under high stress in the long term exceed the cost of some wasted free time.
Oh yeah, and it's called "Free Time", because (you guessed it) it's free. You weren't going to do anything productive with it, you weren't expected or required to do anything with it, you can allocate it however you like.
It's also a renewable resource; you may use up your free time this week, don't worry, there will be free time next week to do what you want to do...
But even if you don't do anything with it, the time will be consumed.
This is basically why learning Linux doesn't cost you anything. You lose an opportunity to do something else, MAYBE, if you have many things contending for your free time, but that's not b/c Linux cost you anything.
Reality distortion field polarity (Score:5, Insightful)
I find it interesting that the Apple reality distortion field works outwardly on others, while the Microsoft reality distortion field works inwardly on themselves.
Re:Thanks to Vista's crapiness (Score:1, Insightful)
I don't know about that guy, but I switched to Linux (after I tried a Knoppix live CD and the eye candy blew my mind) because Vista wouldn't run on my crappy old Dell Inspiron 1100 and I wanted all the new features of a modern operating system (XP is extremely old in computer time at this point). So I won't be missing Vista or Windows 7.
I will, however, be leaving my XP partition on this laptop just in case... especially since it took like a day to get all the drivers and updates working on XP... I did not go through all that work to desecrate it by installing a complete Linux system in 30 minutes. So far XP was Microsoft's best operating system (and I've been with them since DOS, through Windows 3.1, 9x, etc., started on a C64).