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Developer Demands Pirate Bay Not Remove Torrent 203

An anonymous reader writes "This week TPB got a very unusual e-mail. It was a 'Notice of Ridiculous Activity' from a company that had found one of its apps cracked and listed as a torrent on TPB. The app in question is called Memoires, developed by Coding Robots. Memoires is marketed as the easiest way to keep a journal on your Mac. It costs $29.99 to buy after you've enjoyed a 30-day free trial. That, of course, didn't stop someone from cracking the software and making it available for free as a torrent. Dmitry Chestnykh, founder of Coding Robots, noticed the cracked torrent and decided to download it to see what had been done. After using it, he was upset — not because the cracked version was available, but because the cracker (named Minamoto) had done such a bad job of cracking it. The best section of the e-mail has to be this: 'I demand that you don't remove this torrent, so that people can laugh at Minamoto and CORE skills. However, I also demand the[sic] better crack to be made, so that it doesn't cripple the user experience of my beautiful program.'"
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  • Translation (Score:5, Insightful)

    by eldavojohn ( 898314 ) * <eldavojohn@noSpAM.gmail.com> on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:55AM (#33392706) Journal

    Developer Demands Pirate Bay Not Remove Torrent

    Translation:

    Developer Demonstrates Cutting Edge Advertising Techniques

    • Re:Translation (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:59AM (#33392772)
      Probably right, but now I want to buy it just to support that kind of chutzpah (or however you spell that word).
    • Developer Demonstrates Cutting Edge Advertising Techniques

      Well, it's a new twist on the old classic that Microsoft and Adobe have been doing for decades. It's sorta innovative to directly call attention to a pirated source, but calling attention to it because it's (apparently) crappy seems like a bad choice. I see where he's going -- the pirated version sucks so if you want the real deal you gotta come to me -- but then that's basically the old crippleware model, only letting the pirates do the crippling

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by clone53421 ( 1310749 )

        I see where he's going -- the pirated version sucks so if you want the real deal you gotta come to me -- but then that's basically the old crippleware model, only letting the pirates do the crippling for you.

        When you "previewed" Photoshop, you got the full experience.

        But then it also has the 30-day free trial, presumably un-crippled, if you get it from him.

      • Re:Translation (Score:4, Insightful)

        by kyrio ( 1091003 ) on Friday August 27, 2010 @11:35AM (#33393238) Homepage
        What you describe sounds a lot like a 30 day free trail. If only he had one of those...
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Chris Burke ( 6130 )

          What you describe sounds a lot like a 30 day free trail. If only he had one of those...

          Not really, because I'm describing cracked pirated software with no time limit because it's pirated.

          How many people used pirated versions of Photoshop for years before, because they went professional or otherwise decided they needed to go legit, payed for the license of the software they were intimately familiar with and even dependent on? I know several myself. The odds of that happening in 30 days are much slimmer.

          My

        • by amaupin ( 721551 ) on Friday August 27, 2010 @12:33PM (#33394004) Homepage

          What you describe sounds a lot like a 30 day free trail. If only he had one of those...

          Hiking is one of my favorite activities, but even I draw the line at 30 days. Free or otherwise.

      • by rwa2 ( 4391 ) *

        Pretty spot-on... these days it's almost like it's more of a battle for mindshare than walletshare. So it isn't all too bad that advertising is becoming more of a form of entertainment than a mantra or jingle.

        Take http://woot.com/ [woot.com] as a merchandising paradigm. Or even the first comment at http://lifehacker.com/5620959/best-place-to-buy-cheap-textbooks-amazon [lifehacker.com] from one of the "losers" of the popular vote.

    • Re:Translation (Score:5, Insightful)

      by bhartman34 ( 886109 ) on Friday August 27, 2010 @11:17AM (#33392996)
      The funny thing is, the developer got them to take the torrent down by asking them to keep it up/. :)
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      I'm not so sure he's bang on with his advertising technique. Who can honestly remember the authors of all the cracks they use? I can think of a handful of old Star Wars games I downloaded cracks for, and I definately remember someone posting their name in the readme file on who to give props for the cracks for, but... nope, drawing a blank now. However, I do remember Lucasarts as their name is plastered all over the place and has a nice splash screen for whenever I launch any of those old things.

      So, the who

      • by Nadaka ( 224565 )

        He has cracked it already, its available for only 29.99, but you can test it for free for 30 days.

      • I remember the case of disks for my C64. Almost all of them were cracked. And almost all of them had a hacker splash screen when you started the game. I'm not sure how old I was before I realized that those weren't part of the original game. I think it was long after the C64 was collecting dust.

      • Razor1911 were the cracks that I used on my KoToR I and II. The games were nearly unplayable without the cracked EXE. I was experiencing crashes left right and center and at that point I already had some experience with similar situations so I said "Hey, I'll go get the cracked .exe and see if it runs better without the DRM." Poof, what do you know? Rock solid games. Rock solid games that will work even on Win7, if you have the cracks installed. Without them it won't even get to the splash screen.

      • by TheCarp ( 96830 )

        I'm not so sure he's bang on with his advertising technique. Who can honestly remember the authors of all the cracks they use? I can think of a handful of old Star Wars games I downloaded cracks for, and I definately remember someone posting their name in the readme file on who to give props for the cracks for, but... nope, drawing a blank now.

        I exclusively run linux you insensitive clod! I havn't downloaded a crack for a program in about 6 years... and the last time I did it was a trojaned copy that my vir

      • According to TFA, TPB removed the torrent. From what I can tell, this was a clever gambit by the developer to get them to do exactly that. So he got what he wanted, in the end.
    • I, too, can screenshot an email with a fake address and name. And then upload that screenshot to a crappy news site. At what point does it become real?

    • by gorzek ( 647352 )

      Well, it's not like TPB would remove the torrent in the first place, so he might as well turn it into a PR win. "Look at the morons who can't even crack my software properly! Point and laugh, everyone! HA-HA!"

      That is a savvy businessman.

    • by numbski ( 515011 )

      Conceded, but well deserved. :)

    • by blair1q ( 305137 )

      More like:

      Developer demonstrates pitfall of getting your warez from Pirate Bay

  • by Pojut ( 1027544 ) on Friday August 27, 2010 @10:59AM (#33392770) Homepage

    Many people (including myself, hint hint [www.last.fm]) wish that their work was popular enough to show up on torrent networks.

    You aren't anyone unless your stuff is available in a torrent.

    • by Jaysyn ( 203771 )

      Make a torrent of it, I'll check it out.

    • by Abstrackt ( 609015 ) on Friday August 27, 2010 @11:07AM (#33392882)

      Many people (including myself, hint hint [www.last.fm]) wish that their work was popular enough to show up on torrent networks.

      You aren't anyone unless your stuff is available in a torrent.

      I see your music is available for download on last.fm but I couldn't find you on Jamendo [jamendo.com]. If you want exposure I highly recommend setting up an account there. As a bonus, you can also take donations if people like your music.

      • by Pojut ( 1027544 )

        Thanks for the suggestion! I'll do that sometime this weekend. I've been meaning to get myself on Pandora as well, so I'll probably do that at the same time.

      • by StikyPad ( 445176 ) on Friday August 27, 2010 @12:14PM (#33393762) Homepage

        I also noticed that he wasn't on Shaboogie, Underbeats, Padoodle, Pocketgravy, Wikiloafer, Rumpelstiltstunes, first.am, BassPirates, or even DrumSmugglers.

    • Can I get you on Spotify? It's just so darn handy I can't be bothered with much else these days... :D

      • by Pojut ( 1027544 )

        Sure, I'll sign up on there too. Screw it, I'll just dedicate a day to signing up for various streaming services.

        My primary goal is to one day get my stuff on the regular playlist on bluemars.org...that would be so freakin' amazing.

    • Yo, dawg, we heard you like bein' popular, so we put yo music in a torrent so you can populate the popular opinions of the populus!

    • Even better, make something that is used to download countless torrents off those sites. ^_^

    • by Reziac ( 43301 ) *

      Well, you can always set up a torrent yourself. At the very least you might reach a new audience, and if ANY of them buy later, that's still more sales than you had before. Include contact info in the ID3 tag, and maybe a comment like "if you enjoyed this work, please donate any amount to..."

  • I also demand the[sic] better crack to be made, so that it doesn't cripple the user experience of my beautiful program.

    I'm sure someone will get right on that...

  • Seriously... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mdm-adph ( 1030332 ) on Friday August 27, 2010 @11:03AM (#33392826)

    why _would_ someone include an .exe file for a cracked Mac program? :\

    • by BarryJacobsen ( 526926 ) on Friday August 27, 2010 @11:11AM (#33392930) Homepage

      why _would_ someone include an .exe file for a cracked Mac program? :\

      So the windows users who clearly didn't have enough intelligence to recognize they were downloading a mac program can be infected with the same virus/malware that the actual crack is infected with.

      • You know, considering the amount of people who download this crap just to "have the warez" on their computers, regardless of what it does, you're probably not far from the truth.

    • Re:Seriously... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by mikael_j ( 106439 ) on Friday August 27, 2010 @11:11AM (#33392932)

      Lazy scene groups do this all the time. And they post installation instructions that indicate that they know nothing about *nix systems (and that they assume that "everyone" has a spare Wintel machine available for running their keygen/crack). A favorite of mine was some application that included a file with the extension .bat (non-executable of course) that contained a one-liner along the lines of "echo "127.0.0.1 activation.developer.com" >> /etc/hosts" inside it and the instructions stated that the user should run this "program" by pressing Win-R and typing in the path to the file...

      • I'm assuming that, if they would even post about "knowing nothing about *nix systems," they weren't the ones to actually crack the program, aye? Though, doesn't stop them from taking credit for it?

      • by tepples ( 727027 )

        (and that they assume that "everyone" has a spare Wintel machine available for running their keygen/crack).

        Either that or they've tested the crack on Wine. A program running in Wine on an x86 CPU is no more "non-native" than a KDE program on your GNOME desktop.

    • malware to infect the pc you use to run it?
    • by BobMcD ( 601576 )

      why _would_ someone include an .exe file for a cracked Mac program? :\

      Well, why wouldn't one do so? Even the developer of the program apparently used this exe to evaluate the harm the crack does to his software. I understand it is an affront to Mac users, but I don't think the rest of us are as emotionally attached.

  • The pride in his work is admirable. I always appreciate a developer who's concerned about his user experience. This characteristic is, to me, Steve Jobs' most admirable trait (though I think marketing geeks must appreciate his gift for generating interest in his products.) This guy is following Jobs' finest example here.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by BobMcD ( 601576 )

      The pride in his work is admirable. I always appreciate a developer who's concerned about his user experience. This characteristic is, to me, Steve Jobs' most admirable trait (though I think marketing geeks must appreciate his gift for generating interest in his products.) This guy is following Jobs' finest example here.

      I'm left to wonder how he 'discovered' it in the first place...

      A few months ago Dmitry Chestnykh, the founder of Coding Robots and copyright holder of Mémoires, discovered that his program – like many others – was being shared via The Pirate Bay.

      So while he was looking for a cracked Photoshop, for example, he was amazed to see his own stuff up there? It's rather like a priest complaining about poor service from a prostitute, isn't it?

      • Re:Hats off (Score:5, Insightful)

        by BradleyUffner ( 103496 ) on Friday August 27, 2010 @11:20AM (#33393048) Homepage

        The pride in his work is admirable. I always appreciate a developer who's concerned about his user experience. This characteristic is, to me, Steve Jobs' most admirable trait (though I think marketing geeks must appreciate his gift for generating interest in his products.) This guy is following Jobs' finest example here.

        I'm left to wonder how he 'discovered' it in the first place...

        A few months ago Dmitry Chestnykh, the founder of Coding Robots and copyright holder of Mémoires, discovered that his program – like many others – was being shared via The Pirate Bay.

        So while he was looking for a cracked Photoshop, for example, he was amazed to see his own stuff up there? It's rather like a priest complaining about poor service from a prostitute, isn't it?

        I do google searches for my name and the names of the program I write all the time. It seems logical to me that he saw his program listed on pirate bay while doing something similar.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=coding+robots+memoires+torrent [google.ca]

        TPB is known to be the largest (pirated) tracker in the world. He was curious to see if his program was listed. As a software developer myself, I've done searches on popular trackers too for my software.

    • by Belial6 ( 794905 )
      Sorry, anybody that would allow their software to be released with a green plus icon for a button that shrinks a window, and has the trash can share functionality between ejecting a disk and deleting files is definitly NOT showing pride in his work.
    • by qubezz ( 520511 )

      The pride in his work is admirable.

      He's probably proud of his creating crap registry keys and files all over your system too. Although I haven't done a Process Monitor run on it to see where it writes to, the authors of 'trial' software don't want you just uninstalling and reinstalling to renew your 30 days, so they write undocumented registry keys and files all over your system in places they shouldn't, masquerading as something they are not, and don't remove the files or registry entries when the software is uninstalled.

      Got reg keys like H

    • Steve Jobs sued a company into oblivion just for installing legally purchased copies of OSX on PCs. If anything, Chestnykh is not following Steve Jobs' example because that would require sending TPB a cease-and-decist.
  • Taking it in Stride (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MeatyDemon ( 1887966 ) on Friday August 27, 2010 @11:08AM (#33392890) Homepage
    At least hes taking it in stride and realizing that you can't fully protect your software. Its better than trying to sue them for millions and looking like an ass.
    • At least hes taking it in stride and realizing that you can't fully protect your software. Its better than trying to sue them for millions and looking like an ass.

      I'm pretty sure he came up with this idea in a fit of rage. He not only created successful free advertising for himself but he managed to make a fool of the person who cracked his software.

  • cakofony (Score:3, Insightful)

    by cakofony ( 1432911 ) on Friday August 27, 2010 @11:12AM (#33392952)
    This man just made my day. I'm glad to see he realizes that you can't stop people from moving around data, and he is willing to work with, not against it, in true hacker spirit.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by caywen ( 942955 )

      You can't stop people from moving around matter, either. Doesn't mean stealing stuff from best buy is ok, or that best buy should work with them.

      • Matter is harder to copy, whereas if you’re trying to sell data a new copy is made every time someone sees it.

        Just imagine how different car sales would be if everyone who looked at your cars instantly had one of their own. The whole sales model would change – you’d have to show them only a tiny part of the car, or a car with no engine, or a car with a hidden self-destruct feature...

  • I also demand the[sic] better crack to be made, so that it doesn't cripple the user experience of my beautiful program.

    As the software developer, isn't he in a position to release a (by definition) perfect "crack" for it?

    • by tivoKlr ( 659818 )
      It's been released all along in the form of paying for the sw and receiving then entering the activation key. Application cracked (for you).

      Duh.
    • Um, does this answer your question:

      It's a fucking SINGLE BOOLEAN SWITCH that validates the license, it doesn't require any Application Enhancer tricks or whatever.

      Ok, ok, so he didn’t quite release a crack, but it’s practically a road-map.

  • burden of proof (Score:4, Insightful)

    by digitalsushi ( 137809 ) <slashdot@digitalsushi.com> on Friday August 27, 2010 @11:30AM (#33393188) Journal

    The ORIGINAL developer has posted more info here! [digitalsushi.com]

    i mean, doesnt anyone else agree with me this is pretty crappy journalism?

    • I thought for a second that the Captcha read "fictions", which would have been eerily apt to your point - unless of course that turned out to be faked too :)
  • by zill ( 1690130 ) on Friday August 27, 2010 @12:03PM (#33393616)
    1. Develop app
    2. Crack the app then distribute it
    3. Send hilarious email to pirate bay
    4. ???
    5. PROFIT!!
  • TFA didn't link to the original Reddit article. The original one is here [reddit.com].

    And that thread's comments have multiple serious discussions going on.

    1. Caring / not caring about people pirating your work, and the emotions you go through.
    2. How much of that are/are not lost sales, and how many of them wouldn't have bought the software anyway.
    3. The practicality of spending time coding copy protection/checking, and the returns, and how much of them pisses off users.
    4. That it's better to spend time developing features that pa
  • Pirate Reality (Score:4, Interesting)

    by cdrguru ( 88047 ) on Friday August 27, 2010 @12:41PM (#33394148) Homepage

    Once it is out there, the free version will pretty much take over. There are so few people that are interested in paying - even if it means better quality - that it is best to just think about moving on.

    Fighting the pirates is pointless. They have access to better tools for promotion than legitimate small businesses do, so the free version is going to almost always come up first on searches. It will be linked to by every hacker/wares forum that exists. Anyone asking "where can I get something that does X" will be responded to with a link to the pirate version, or the words "use the google".

    Once our consumer software got hit by thieves we saw retail sales drop sharply. In this case "thieves" is the only think to call people that purchase the software with stolen credit cards so it can be posted on free download sites.

    Face it, people want stuff for free and there are plenty of people out there that agree with that mindset. All software should be free and we should all be supported by the government so we don't have to beg for money or work as slaves. Food should be free. Houses should be free - what possible right does someone have to deny people a place to live?

    If you don't think piracy is political, you haven't thought about it long enough.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Andorin ( 1624303 )

      Mod parent Flamebait.

      Seriously, how do you know it was file sharers that killed sales of your "consumer" software? Were there any other factors taken into account when determining sales history? What software was it? Was it well-known? If so, there should be plenty of information about it online. If not, perhaps your problem was that you were marketing to a niche. If so, did you sell to most of the customers that were actually interested? Did you attempt to make up for a small number of customers by jacking

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