Real Life Farmville 117
arkenian writes "The BBC reports on a farm in the UK to be run by online subscribers to the MyFarm website voting on which crops to grow and livestock to rear. For a £30 annual fee, 10,000 farm followers will help manage Wimpole Home Farm, in Cambridgeshire. They will be asked to make 12 major monthly decisions during the course of the year as well as other choices. The National Trust says its MyFarm project aims to reconnect people with where their food comes from."
My brain... (Score:1)
it hurts with the stupid.
Oh to hell with it. Have we fallen so far as a civilization that people no longer know where their food comes from? Have never seen butchering and slaughtering done? Have never killed an animal themselves, skinned, cleaned, and done their own cuts. I can probably answer myself too. Yes to all of the above.
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My thoughts exactly, as soon as /b/ gets involved, this is gonna be pretty funny. Pool's closed due to aids.
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As if the average /b/ denizens would/could pony up £30
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With all the credit card info they allegedly stole from Sony, they should have no problem. =P
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/b/ isn't all hate and lulz. Maybe they will vote to farm lolcats or something.
I thought this was a good idea.. (Score:3, Interesting)
What? I personally thought this was a great idea to build upon. In the country I come from, there is a huge economic gap between the farmers who live in the villages, and the consumers in the metropolitan cities. The government tries to subsidize the farmers by giving them money and infrastructure, but it's just not enough.
If social experiments in Facebook, Twitter and Anonymous have shown us anything, it is that the general public likes to participate in making major decisions (which makes then feel import
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It is a win-win situation for everyone.
Win? Except for the real-life farm which will go under fast (if not subsidized from, say, education funds)
However, it is crucial that the trolls be weeded out by some means.
You mean: weed-out the un-educated (in the subject of agri-business)? Weed them out and the experiment is pointless.
If social experiments in Facebook, Twitter and Anonymous have shown us anything, it is that the general public likes to participate in making major decisions (which makes then feel important), and are willing for this.
Hell, yeah. I remember a few years back, the White House/UK govt set up some sites for "public participation", meant for the populace to suggest reforms they'd see as high priority. I can't remember now the sites, but I do remember that one of the highest ranked idea in US was "legalize dr
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Ummm... didja mean repeal, or was that a deliberate poke at semantics?
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Ummm... didja mean repeal, or was that a deliberate poke at semantics?
Sincerely - a typo. But it turned well in the context, didn't it?
Re:semantics (Score:2)
The other poster wanted to *weed out* the *farm* trolls.
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Win? Except for the real-life farm which will go under fast (if not subsidized from, say, education funds)
Umm... It is subsidized by 300,000 pounds (~$500,000 in my head) a year by enrollment fees. Secondly, I'm sure the person running the farm can rig the voting system to keep out the really bad decisions. I'm pretty sure options will be much more along the lines of "Should we use organic fertilizer or standard fertilizer?" not things like "Should we burn down all the crops tomorrow?"
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I'm pretty sure options will be much more along the lines of "Should we use organic fertilizer or standard fertilizer?" not things like "Should we burn down all the crops tomorrow?"
Hence why it s described as being like Farmville and not like the Sims...
Re:I thought this was a good idea.. (Score:5, Funny)
Or "what should we plant". I can see it now. Survey says:
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Don't forget Robert.
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With all those hippies out there, choices like "should we do everything purely biological, ecological and some other buzz-words" or "should we use standard farm practice" would give equally destructive results, but with a nice educational message to it.
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I'm not so sure. I think those hippies are likely to vote against standard farm practices (which are pretty destructive, at least where I live).
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I think GPs point is that what the hippies would choose would be just as destructive. I imagine that's true if you scale up what they'd do in order to maintain the same output.
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That's hippie agriculture in a nutshell. X has flaws, therefore Y is perfect, and they never stop to consider that maybe X has benefits despite its flaws or that maybe Y is even worse.
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Depending on who exactly you refer to by "hippies", there could be a reasonable number of hippies involved in successful professional agriculture.
Of course not everybody actually knows what they're talking about, but that's not strictly limited to hippies.
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I'm pretty sure options will be much more along the lines of "Should we use organic fertilizer or standard fertilizer?" not things like "Should we burn down all the crops tomorrow?"
What with this and the whole "not forcing farm worker Jones to hit himself over the head repeatedly with a shovel" post above, I'm really failing to see the attraction.
If you want to work on a real farm, go ahead, most farmers I know would accept a few volunteers paying 30 quid to shovel cowshit or something.
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30 pounds times 10,000 participants is 300,000 GBP a year on subscription fees alone. That should help a lot.
Re:I thought this was a good idea.. (Score:4, Insightful)
30 pounds times 10,000 participants is 300,000 GBP a year on subscription fees alone. That should help a lot.
If I'm not seeing that my suggestions are set in practice (but overridden by the majority), why would I pay for it? Isn't the "Virtual Farmville" good enough, as it doesn't required any money, etc?
If I'm seeing the results of my decision set in practice and succeeding... I'd ask for my share and be quite disappointed if I don't get it. After all, this is how the "virtual Farmville" tough me to expect - some gold, the more the merrier even if it is "virtual gold".
If I'm seeing the results of my decision set in practice and failing... not very satisfying for a game. Should I pay for it?
Or are you saying that this is actually a scam to finance a farming operation?
Or some sort of a reality show in which the agro-business is put 24/7 on display in to be delivered in daily installments (some sort of "Big brother" with pigs, cows and veggies and other crops) - if so, where's the fun?
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If I'm seeing the results of my decision set in practice and failing... not very satisfying for a game. Should I pay for it?
Playing a game where you can possibly lose is not fun? Hmmm I now see why the game industry has moved towards games that baby you through the experience and have no consequences.
No risk no reward.
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No, playing a game where your input may or may not at all be linked to what happens is not fun.
one of the reasons why i dislike online games (except for with friends), in general other people online tend to mess up your experience. AI bots written by the developer are at least well behaved enough to somewhat conform to the game setting
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what if you just consider idiots, trolls and griefers part of the experience? and come at it knowing that?
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Well, i do consider the idiots, trolls and griefers part of the experience, and that total experience is something i dont care for
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Is there no value in showing that farming is not as easy as playing a computer game?
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Well in Farmville, it doesn't say "it's too wet this spring to plant your corn in time to harvest, all your surplus cash is going to the bank to keep from defaulting on the 1/2 million dollars of debt your servicing so go to DSS and get some food-stamps so the kids can still eat, but your neighbor who planted winter wheat is having a bumper-crop!"
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30 pounds times 10,000 participants is 300,000 GBP a year on subscription fees alone. That should help a lot.
How many Jaguars does a farmer need? Surely one for himself, one for his wife, and one for his mistress is enough?
Re:I thought this was a good idea.. (Score:4, Interesting)
Here, in the case of running a farm, it makes a certain amount of sense to value experience, and education in farming. A great many people however would characterize farmers as being uneducated in a broad sense. Still, an "uneducated" farmer will likely make better farming decisions than your average physicist, lawyer, doctor, political scientist, computer programmer, etc etc.
On the other hand, considering there is a buy into the program, it might be reasonable to assume that only people with an interest in farming will take place. In that case they might take the effort to educate themselves into the real life consequences. In such a situation crowd sourcing might be effective.
One failure you make in thinking is your unquestioned assumption that educated people make better decisions than uneducated people. In the case of farming, a good farmer will probably make better decisions than a non-farmer, but from your language it's clear that you have an elitist, anti-democracy attitude which I would like to attempt to disabuse.
Consider for example the jelly bean experiment. If you take a jar of jelly beans and ask people to guess the number of jelly beans in the jar, the average guess will converge toward the actual number of jelly beans in the jar. The more people participating in the experiment the better. You won't get a better distribution by restricting yourself to people with PhD's.
Your elitist attitudes also require you to neglect the fact of association bias. Individuals who are successful within a given society, who have the largest share in the bounty of that society, tend to associate themselves most with that society, and are most inclined to support whatever policies, however idiotic and injust. A clear example from our own history is support for the Vietnam war, which was very strong among educated elites. The "uneducated" masses however were strongly against America's mass bombing of poor agrarians in a small country that never did us no harm. The "educated" elite bought into the Gulf of Tonkin incident and turned into bloodthirsty savages willing to blast poor farmers who wanted nothing more than to get rid of colonialist oppression (much as we had done some 175 years earlier). The "uneducated" masses were mistrustful and thought it was all a line of bullshit. The "uneducated" masses in America were educated to the fact that the really elite in our country were thinking only of their own selfish and short sighted interests, while the "educated" were trained in sophisticated methods of rationalization to excuse a foolish and evil misadventure. This trend applies quite generally, to our invasion of the bay of pigs, the Afghan war, the Iraq wars, the civil rights movement, etc. It's not unique to American culture either. It's a pretty uniform trend. The high ranking Nazis were typically very well educated, for example, and look how that turned out.
It is telling and ironic that you ridicule the fact that the single highest issue in the United States, when the government asked for reform ideas, was the repeal of Marijuanna prohibition. Legalizing drugs in general was of course discussed, but ending all drug prohibition across the board remains a fringe issue and was nowhere near the top. Ending Marijuanna prohibition and replacing it with a system of taxation and regulation similar to what we do with Tobacco was however right at the top, by far in the number one place. This is yet another example of where American policy would benefit from more democratic processes. The current system of Marijuanna prohibition is completely retarded and does not serve the interests of anyone besides the law enforcement community, paramilitaries, and of course the illegal drug cartels. Eve
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> the wisdom of the crowds
Yep, thought as much. *plonk*
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On the other hand, considering there is a buy into the program, it might be reasonable to assume that only people with an interest in farming will take place.
If you have to pay to join in and can't win any money back, I can assure you that no real life farmers will be involved.
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The UK petitions aren't really that bad, this is the list sorted by how many signatures they got:
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/list/closed?sort=signers [number10.gov.uk]
The most popular is scrapping the vehicle tracking/road pricing scheme, which AFAIK has now been scrapped.
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Maybe the game could use a few modern twists and get people prepared for things they haven't given enough thought to. Got some radio-iodine in the milk? The half-life is short. Why not process it into powdered milk and store it until there's no longer a problem? Could farmers or the department of agriculture use cloud seeding to cause pollution to be dumped in a lower impact area like over the ocean? Could some keep hay in reserve to feed the cows with in case the pasture areas get contaminated for a l
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The subsidies will never be enough. Drop them and force the farmers to run their businesses efficiently and competitively. They'll hurt for a couple of years, but in the long run they'll be much better off.
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...up to the point where importing food from poor countries will be so much cheaper that the local farmers simply cannot compete.
There is a reason for those subsidies, and you have to understand what the consequences will be of stopping those subsidies.
You are right on a global scale; dropping subsidies will make the average farms in the entire world more profitable but wrong on a local (national) scale.
It's still debatable whether subsidies are good or bad, though.
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The fact is that fresh produce is best when it is fresh, and flying things halfway around the world wipes out any benefit from low labour costs.
Most people value low price over quality/taste/freshness. And if there was no profit in producing food and flying it half way round the world, why would anyone do it?
In the UK, New Zealand lamb (as an example of something from the other side of the world) is much cheaper than stuff I buy in the local farmer's market. It doesn't taste as nice, but most people will say "I'd rather our family dinner cost ten quid for meat instead of fifteen or twenty".
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In theory it sounds good.
In practice, people don't always know what they want in the first place, or stick to their stated intention once it's time to actually go through with it. Additionally, there's no way to ensure that the voting sample is in any way representative of the buying public, which could leave the farm with a glut of unsellable product.
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it hurts with the stupid.
None of us is as dumb as all of us [despair.com]. Wanna proof? How about the last economical crisis?
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Anyone who cares about what goes into their body should watch the excellent documentary Food Inc
Its us-centric but I bet a lot of what is talked about happens to some degree in other countries too.
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Why should that be anything but a fringe function? It's like asking if they've never plowed their own wheat, written their own operating system, or installed their own plumbing and electricity. The complexity of our civilization requires specialization.
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Why should that be anything but a fringe function? It's like asking if they've never plowed their own wheat, written their own operating system, or installed their own plumbing and electricity. The complexity of our civilization requires specialization.
And yet, human beings are capable generalists. For many things, a generalist's non-specialized abilities are sufficient. For instance, I'm a Linux Sysadmin. Fairly specialized, but it's not the only thing I do. I also drive a car, fix things around the house, make informed decisions, etc. While I personally haven't done every item on Lazarus Long's list (I've never set a bone, for instance), I feel like I could do them if needed. Maybe not as well as an expert in that field, but still.
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People should be able to do the things likely to be required of them in life, including the 1% chance necessities. ... because if you have a crush injury, for example, having made medical help available you are good, but having learned to set a bone, you are screwed.)
Setting a bone is a good example: That's a rarely needed skill. Should everyone really know how to set it? Or, should we learn to ensure that medical help is available instead (something much easier to learn, and more generally applicable
Butc
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People should be able to do the things likely to be required of them in life, including the 1% chance necessities. ... because if you have a crush injury, for example, having made medical help available you are good, but having learned to set a bone, you are screwed.)
Setting a bone is a good example: That's a rarely needed skill. Should everyone really know how to set it? Or, should we learn to ensure that medical help is available instead (something much easier to learn, and more generally applicable
Butchering a hog (equivalent to what the parent suggested) is similar. You'd be talking downfall of civilization before that would be needed by most people, who would then actually be better off having learned other skills with that time.
I agree, but sometimes you are cut off from civilization, and that's when it's nice to have some basic abilities. Of course, I think if I was stuck on an island somewhere, with hogs available, I'd still probably have a hard time surviving. I mean, first you have to catch them, before you can start thinking about how to butcher them.
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Because it's what most humans have done, for millenia? Food growing is who humans are, it's what separates us from the animals. And because NOT having any idea where food comes from is dangerous as people just think Chilean sea bass just comes from the store. Or worse, don't think about it at all.
Specialization is for insects.
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The current farm process looks nothing like what people have done for millenia. And people have been making clothes for longer, should we all be expert seamstresses? Demanding that everyone should know all the details of how to farm is ridiculous.
Re:My brain... (Score:4, Interesting)
And many children think milk comes from factories, not cows. Particularly those living in cities.
Western societies have it worse than Asian. Well, sort of. In China many restaurants have their food on display: various birds, snakes, fish and other sea animals, turtles, sometimes even dogs and cats.You point out which animal you want and they'll cook it for you. Killing if you prefer can be done under your watch.
Markets here often have large parts of cows, pigs and other large animals hanging on display. Such as complete rib cases, lungs, and tails (with the skin and hair in place preferably). The heads too. It doesn't need much fantasy to see which part of the animal it was.
Fowl like pigeons, ducks and chickens are also sold alive (though in Hong Kong at least that's quickly disappearing over bird flu fears). You choose the animal, hands-on if you like, the shop keeper will slaughter it while you're waiting. Fish, seafood and turtles are also routinely sold alive. I have had a dead fish jump off the kitchen sink an hour or so after being killed and gutted... that scared us mainly because the movement was so sudden and unexpected. A dead fish still jumping in the bag I've had quite often.
In the west indeed there is not much left of the original shape of the animal - many people dislike the idea of seeing what animal it used to be. You won't see a row of pig's heads in the butcher's display, for example. Fish is commonly sold dead, preferably sliced or processed as fish fingers or so. The head is typically tossed out, while the Chinese consider that the best part of the fish. Once when I cooked fish complete with head and tail a friend commented "I don't like my dinner to be watching me!".
So all in all, yes you're totally right. Most people don't know where their food comes from. They wouldn't know how a potato plant looks like (OK that's a non-obvious one). They may recognise corn plants, when grown full.
Knowing where one's food comes from is good I think. Makes people think more about their planet, the value of a clean environment, and how all that dirt we spew out in the air comes back to haunt them quite directly. Health is related to food: you are what you eat, and when you eat dirt, well that can't be too healthy either. And even if just 10,000 people can join a project like this may well generate a lot more general interest. Curious to see how it's going to play out.
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And they would be right. Milk must be processed before it may be sold, at least in my jurisdiction. You don't say a car comes from the mine.
Interestingly, as a software developer and farmer, I actually had a similar idea a while back. I just hadn't fully fleshed out the business model. I wonder if there is still room for competition?
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You're correct about the animals, though the reason for it is hygiene. How does Hong Kong manage to transport and 'store' live animals?
However, maybe the USA is different, but fresh fish in the UK is often displayed whole (and dead). (fish counter at Tesco [blogspot.com]) However, the fishmonger will be happy to cut off the head and tail and remove the bones. It's usually particular species of fish that are shown whole (e.g. salmon), while others are usually prepared (e.g. cod).
Top hit for "fish recipe" on Google UK [jamieoliver.com]
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You're correct about the animals, though the reason for it is hygiene. How does Hong Kong manage to transport and 'store' live animals?
Fish and other seafood are easy: stored in smallish water tanks with serious aeration devices. Transport in open barrels on the back of a truck (those trucks always have some tubes running down the back to drain spilled water). They don't have to worry too much about livable environment for the fish, as long as they're moving by the time they're sold it's enough.
Chickens and other fowl are simply kept in metal cages, usually stuffed really full. The birds have barely any space to move. Food/water generally
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Can't it be both?
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And many children think milk comes from factories, not cows. Particularly those living in cities.
And now they are going to think it comes form the interwebz.
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it hurts with the stupid.
Oh to hell with it. Have we fallen so far as a civilization that people no longer know where their food comes from? Have never seen butchering and slaughtering done? Have never killed an animal themselves, skinned, cleaned, and done their own cuts. I can probably answer myself too. Yes to all of the above.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Lazarus Long, Time Enough For Love (Robert Heinlein)
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Oh to hell with it. Have we fallen so far as a civilization that people no longer know where their food comes from? Have never seen butchering and slaughtering done? Have never killed an animal themselves, skinned, cleaned, and done their own cuts. I can probably answer myself too. Yes to all of the above.
All the activities you listed are things most of us could learn to do with just a little training. Poorly, perhaps, but sufficiently well.Those skills are not what will make or break a post-apocalyptic survival.
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No they're skills that will make or break you getting to the post-apocalyptic bit. But being a realist, I don't believe we'll be heading to that point in my lifetime.
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Well, that's what industrialization does. You can't expect a civilization to both become efficient enough to mass-produce digital computers and keep food production so local that many people have seen agriculture outside of a picture book. It is interesting and useful to know how food is produced, but so is a detailed knowledge of physics, a multitude of foreign languages and circuit design - yet none of that is considered a required part of common knowledge.
Sure, you can make a case that survival skills ar
we know now better than ever (Score:2)
we know now better than ever where our food comes from.
much better than anyone knew 30 years ago, and so much better than anyone knew 100 years ago - we even got pictures from the spice fields in india, imagine that, we can take a car and go see the local farms if we want to and to top it off the news is full of real stories about real shit about food - read a newspaper from 1950's and see the difference. Except the really poor farmers of the world, they know their food comes from their crops, but they have
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I for one would find that very educational. In Germany they did just that. [spiegel.de]
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That's because we live in a post-Deliverance [moviemobsters.com] era.
it hurts with the stupid.
Oh to hell with it. Have we fallen so far as a civilization that people no longer know where their food comes from? Have never seen butchering and slaughtering done? Have never killed an animal themselves, skinned, cleaned, and done their own cuts. I can probably answer myself too. Yes to all of the above.
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I think that's why they're charging people 30 bucks to manage their farm for them. Now they're making profit on the crops and public stupidity.
Farm by committee? (Score:3)
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The UK is not part of the Eurozone [wikipedia.org]
So it'll be british pounds (GBP) not Euros.
Also, the problem with the idea is not that the crops will fail, but that nobody will want to pay 30 GBP just to be able to vote with 9,999 other guys. There already are elections which are free (as in beer), and even for that most just give a pass.
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Even more than that: 300k GBP. That's almost 340k Euro.
Kibbutz (Score:1)
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You missed the part where this is done by the national trust. An organisation that exists to give the average person access to national treasures such as stately homes and great countryside that would otherwise be inaccessible to the average joe. It's well within their remit of opening up the countryside to the people to do a project such as this to get people involved in farming. It's not about making money or being successful in any real measurable way as long as people are interested and involved.
The mon
Baa a a a aa a aah (Score:2)
It will never work
Cow Clicker (Score:1)
Next, a real-life Cow Clicker game, anyone?
http://www.bogost.com/games/cow_clicker.shtml [bogost.com]
Even if it fails... (Score:1)
it may give people more of an appreciation to the farmers their lives depend on, and the not-so-clean-cut decisions they have to make throughout the year to produce the best crop possible.
That'll work just awesome until... (Score:2)
... the citydwellers - with their antibiotic EVERYTHING, who can't tell the difference between good and bad soil from the smell of it, who have never grown anything past that shriveled Venus fly trap plant at age ten - start having to make critical decisions and invariably wind up making them badly and then start going hungry.
(What I'm saying is that if they really want something like that to be educational it has to directly impact the participants' stomachs, there has to be visceral conseqeunces; short of
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Yes because one small farm failing causes everybody to starve.
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It does if they "live" on it and that's all the natural resources they control. Historically that was always a very real possibility for farmers. The point was to help people understand and appreciate, remember?
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It's not an exercise that is expected to make farmers out of "citydewllers" or supply their food. It's not about them "living on it". It's to give some people a better idea of some of what is involved in running a farm.
It's a 1200 acre farm, or half a percent of the farmland the National Trust has. it could be turned into a *very* large carpark without affecting whether people get to eat...
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Sorry one quarter of one percent...
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You say that as if we don't already need more arable land than we have. Did you not see the news just today that climate change is already causing global crop yield loses equivalent to the cropland of an entire country (e.g. France)? Are you not aware that global population growth is nowhere near even stagnating?
That 1200 acres makes more of a difference than you think, though 25-100 years from now they won't be able to grow the same crops they do now.
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If there are such losses then one tiny farm makes even less of a difference. £300,000 is likely well worth letting citydwellers make 12 mutiplte choice decisions (that you provide the choices for) in a year for your tiny farm.
Said farm is already converting to organic, so it's output is already plunging and being made up by selling at higher prices to richer people. Which will swamp any sub-optimal choice made by citydwellers voting on the internet.
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yeah, yeah. its is not it's, sue me.
been there done that: abc.net.au ran a cotton farm (Score:1)
the ABC rural programme down under ran a cotton farm from listener feedback, choosing harvest times, types, cropping, organic or pesticide, all the way through to selling the crop.
2-3 years ago.
yawn.
"Real Life"? (Score:2)
You know, like real life Simcity would be (wait for it) a city.
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Yes and I'm convinced that my local council in the UK uses a copy of Simcity to implement road planning and routes: one way systems, traffic lights, road works, etc.
It's quite obvious the user doesn't have a driving licence or drive in my local area, since the decisions they make are completely insane and illogical from a practical point of view, they just look pretty in Simcity.
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Roads? If I was in charge of your local council, I would bulldoze all your roads, and replace them with light rail.
Sure it would be more expensive, and how you get on and off the train is an exercise left for the commuter, but the nasty traffic problem would simply go away.
Spectacular business model (Score:1)
So, this guy charges 30 pounds/year to allow 10,000 people to chat with each other and vote in polls on how they want to run the farm... while the guy pretends to listen to them?
Holy shit, why didn't i think of this?
You Bought the Farm! (Score:1)
I guess this experiment gives new meaning to the term "bought the farm". Unfortunately, it's the plants and animals that will take the brunt of any bad decisions. Please don't have a cow man!
Managers outsourced to subscribers (Score:2)
I wonder how much control can be given to the players. Would they be allowed to make hiring decisions after being shown various resumes? Or firing and promotion decisions? I'm curious if this experiment can make certain class of farm manager redundant if it works really well.
ChaChing! (Score:1)
Potential problem (Score:2)
Some of the participants are going to want to eat the produce from "their" farm, in turn neglecting their local farms and burning more fuel to get the goods sent to them, or traveling to the place. Well, it's all in the UK so it's not as bad as buying passion fruit from the other side of the globe, but still. This experiment is a first, so it will be interesting to see what comes out of it.
I think "Pick Your Own" farms are also a good way of reconnecting people to the source of their food. When you're out t
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There is a farm, Chestnut Farm, in western MA that raises animals. They work it as a CSA where people sign up for shares with a monthly price, and then they know how much to produce on an ongoing basis (10 lbs increments on shares) and then....
Once a month, at a farmers market, they setup a stand and distribute shares. Usually bringing fresh eggs from a neighboring farm to sell.
They actually have pickups at several local farmers markets on different days.
Bloody peasants (Score:2)
Will they decide by a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs, but require a 2/3 majority in the case of major decisions?
Good for the farm! (Score:2)
Good news for the farm, they get £300,000 even if all their crops flop, and since the farm gets to create the choices being voted on, that'll probably be unlikely. Profit ahoy!
iFood (Score:1)
real life farming (Score:1)