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McCain Decries "Hobbits," Accused of Ringbearing 722

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Oxford_Comma_Lover writes "Senator McCain decried Tea Party 'Hobbits' on Wednesday for their failure to support the GOP's debt deal, at times reading from a WSJ editorial that began the analogy. The Tea Party fired back, with a prominent member noting on CNN that McCain had been corrupted by the ring of power. The full text of his floor remarks should be in the Congressional Record later today."
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McCain Decries "Hobbits," Accused of Ringbearing

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  • Well ... (Score:5, Funny)

    by WrongSizeGlass (838941) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @10:54AM (#36908274)
    ... if the US Government had the same budget as a Peter Jackson movie we wouldn't be in this fiscal mess, now would we? ;-)
    • Re:Well ... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Opportunist (166417) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:21AM (#36908720)

      They do. They just went over the budget because they decided to do the war scenes with real extras instead of much cheaper CGI.

      • Right. Because CGI would all get done in one office in one representative's district, but we can a few extras from each district instead.

  • by TehCable (1351775) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @10:54AM (#36908294)
    One does not simply walk into Metaphor.
  • LolzSec? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 28, 2011 @10:55AM (#36908322)

    Ok, which one of you hacked his teleprompter?

  • Let's please not compare Tea Party members to sex icons like Elijah Wood and Sean Astin.

    Now you're just being plain disrespectful McCain.

  • It's OK (Score:4, Funny)

    by glueball (232492) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @10:56AM (#36908326)

    McCain was the last Democrat I voted for in a Presidential election

    • by Svartalf (2997)

      Heh... You got that right McCain's nothing more than a Republican In Name Only.

    • by JustOK (667959)

      I thought McCain was a brand of very popular french fries and other assorted wholesome meals like pizza. I was very confused, and hungry, during the last election.

    • Re:It's OK (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jellomizer (103300) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:34AM (#36908916)

      McCain is a moderate republican. We don't have many of those out there any more... What happened in the last election was during the primaries he had to seem like he was far right, after he did that he failed to move to the center very well. Oboma had the advantage of being after Bush, If Donald Duck won the Democratic primaries he probably would have been president, and he made the shift from Far Left to Center very gracefully.

      We have a hole society who thinks that Moderates are week minded. They are not, they can hold strong to their convictions however they are not stupidly just holding onto Redirect and take each issue as it comes up. We need to demand more moderates, but the ext reams on both sides have us believe if we elect a moderate the ideals of the party will be compromised away, which isn't true.

  • by dkleinsc (563838) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @10:57AM (#36908356) Homepage

    The Tea Party aren't Hobbits by any stretch of the imagination - hobbits are more like 1970's back-to-the-land hippie organic farmer types.

    No, the Tea Party seems to be much more like the Easterlings, who's society has been thoroughly corrupted by promises of power regardless of the decency or lack thereof of the individual members. And Obama seems to be playing the role of Denethor, trying to hold back the tide but not really being able to do so and kinda ambiguous about where he's loyalties really lie.

    • by XJHardware (809439) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:08AM (#36908512)
      Disagree. In Tolkien's narrative the Hobbits were clearly an analog for simple English villagers that he grew up around. They want to live life without the bother of the ambitious and the power hungry. The Tea Party are those same simple folk, transplanted into our modern era, who have reluctantly decided to get involved. A few years back they were being denigrated as the inhabitants of "flyover states". Nobody cared about them and they didn't matter, until they decided to get involved and upset the status quo. Because both parties represent two faces of the same shit mountain. Choosing between Democrat and Republican is like choosing between Saruman and Sauron.
      • And picking the Tea Party is like picking Melkor.

      • by Opportunist (166417) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:29AM (#36908846)

        The problem is, it seems when picking their leader they rather went with Saruman and Sauron rather than Gandalf.

        • The Sauron and Saruman presidential bid provided this country with the strong leadership it needed, backed with wisdom and experience. The Gandalf, Aragorn bid gave us a man on his last legs hitched to an unknown forest ranger from a state not even contiguous with the rest of Gondor!

          Now, it's true that the Denethor administration left the country in a terrible way, in considerable debt, fighting losing wars on two fronts, and many were uncomfortable with the presidents stance on religious issues, especially funeral rituals. But that is no reason for people to turn away from strong leadership and a prosperous future, in favour of weed smoking, sound-bites about all the free peoples of Middle Earth, most of whom the majority of Gondorian's don't even know exist outside of legends!

          I remind the house that in Mordorian society, there are no taxes, and no unnecessary labour or environmental protection, and all that is needed to succeed is drive, ambition, and a phalanx of orc mercenaries. The Sauruman bid allows us to partake in this forward looking society, abandon the failed liberal policies of Eldarianism, and return Gondor to the glories of its manifest destiny, as it was in the days of Ar-Pharazon!

          Therefore, I urge citizen to cooperate with the new regime and offer up their young as orc feed as eagerly as I would offer up my own. Thank you, and God Bless Gondor.

      • by MontyApollo (849862) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:33AM (#36908898)

        I think claim is that while the Tea Party see themselves as hobbits, the reality of modern politics and finance does not lend itself to fairy tale endings no matter how much the "hobbits" believe their righteous cause and unwillingness to compromise will prove themselves reluctant heroes. The Wall Street Journal was in fact claiming that they were clueless to reality and will greatly harm the Tea Party and Republican cause.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 28, 2011 @12:35PM (#36909830)

        You gotta be fucking kidding me. There is nothing simple, wholesome, grassroots, or legitimate about any teaparty candidate. It's an image that's been sold to you and nothing else. These people did not "decide to get involved" there were handpicked by rich conservative interests to front for extreme pro-business and pro-wealthy agenda.

        Recent effective uncapping of campaign contributions let private investors buy elections with unrelenting media saturation. You just don't care to question where the money came from. Nobody has ever been to a teaparty fundraiser.

        Their voting record reveals the truth. Complete lockstep, unwavering synchronization. Zero deviation among the ranks of a group of people that are supposed to be 'grassroots', 'mavericks', and 'fiercely independent'. They're employees, not politicians.

        Fake politics, fake people, fake values, fake truth. This is the modern republicanism. Real conservatives are gone.

    • by MontyApollo (849862) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:21AM (#36908706)

      It was a sarcastic remark - he was quoting the Wall Street Journal who was saying that the Tea Party rather simplistically see themselves as being heroic good little hobbits out to vanquish the obviously evil Mordor without regard to reality. Basically, the Wall Street Journal was saying the Tea Party worldview was rather fucked up, and McCain was emphasizing this.

    • by ArcherB (796902) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:49AM (#36909164) Journal

      The Tea Party aren't Hobbits by any stretch of the imagination - hobbits are more like 1970's back-to-the-land hippie organic farmer types.

      No, the Tea Party seems to be much more like the Easterlings, who's society has been thoroughly corrupted by promises of power regardless of the decency or lack thereof of the individual members. And Obama seems to be playing the role of Denethor, trying to hold back the tide but not really being able to do so and kinda ambiguous about where he's loyalties really lie.

      The TEA Party wants LESS government power, not more. Think of them as "Fiscal Libertarians".

      So, if they are corrupt, as you say, wouldn't that means they want MORE government power? I think you got it backwards.

      • by blair1q (305137)

        The TP wants less government power over big business. They couldn't care less if you have to be forced by the government to carry any pregnancy to term.

  • Smeagol (Score:5, Insightful)

    by vawwyakr (1992390) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @10:58AM (#36908368)
    I think we have to admit that McCain does bare some resemblance to Smeagol. I think the problem with the Tea Partiers is that they see it as being their way or nothing. I understand their perspective and conviction but I think the issue is that they want to do it ALL at once. No compromise, every vote they make must include everything they think has to be done for the next 20 years of government. I think the problem is if we do it their way the whole economy is going to come crashing down. People complain about government spending but then seem to forget that a large % of the US is employeed (directly or indirectly) by the government. You YANK that out all at once and I think we'll be reminiscing about the good old days of only 10% unemployment.
    • The lack of compromise is one thing but my issue with most if them is an apparent lack of sense. Yes we all hate raising taxes but they don't seem to understand simple economics where cutting costs can only do so much without increasing revenue.
      • Re:Smeagol (Score:5, Interesting)

        by MightyMartian (840721) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:26AM (#36908792) Journal

        We're seeing what was predicted two or three years ago. The Tea Party is poisonous to the Republicans, not the Democrats. It's pretty clear that Boehner is at maximum frustration level, and I think it's beginning to dawn on mainline and moderate Republicans that the Tea Party tail is now wagging the GOP dog. There's a level of hysterical irrationality about the Tea Party that is now coming into full view. They're not interested in governing at all.

        I'm sure the White House has a long list of contingencies in place just like Clinton did when he was up against the Gingrich mob, and is probably quite content to watch the Republicans and the Tea Party wing battle it out. I think 2012 is pretty damned safe for him.

    • by cultiv8 (1660093)

      I think the problem with the Tea Partiers is that they see it as being their way or nothing.

      Isn't that the party line that got them elected into office in the first place?

    • I think the Tea Party is upset that no one is actually cutting anything though. It's not like this is a legitimate plan that either side is presenting that puts us on a path to a balanced budget. Both plans don't even come close to balancing the budget within 10 years and still ad tons of money to the deficit and even the cuts that they do make are years down the road when there's no guarantee they happen. Personally, I'm a huge advocate for cuts. Even though I am a pure federalist and advocate any downsizi
  • People live on narratives, and this makes them susceptible to magic, that is the use of patterned sounds and images to alter their brain-states. People say that it's too much to expect them not to do, that they are 'only human'...this is why I'm a trans-humanist.
  • by rossdee (243626) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:03AM (#36908422)

    He is not aware that Hobbits are the good guys (at least in LOTR)

  • that is all.

  • Sorta forgot that part, didn't ya?

    • Sorta forgot that part, didn't ya?

      Did you RTFA? His point is that, much like LoTR, the tea bagger plan is pure fantasy.

  • by cvtan (752695) on Thursday July 28, 2011 @11:11AM (#36908558)
    I thought Hobbits where the good guys. He meant to say trolls. Yeah, that's it. A big ugly mountain troll. Hobbits aren't real anyway.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by mcmonkey (96054)

      I think a better analogy is, the Tea Party is like the Jedi in the Star Wars prequels.

      For the most part, they are earnest and mean well but not too bright. In the end, they will win. And only then will they realize they've been working for the dark side the whole time. Only then will they realize the disastrous conclusion of their campaign.

      And of course, by then it will be too late.

      If it makes you feel any better, just like the younglings at Jedi HQ, the Tea Party folks will be the first up against the w

  • The Tea Party is the best thing that could happen to Democrats. It's their secret weapon. By the 2012 elections, the Republican party will be down to only a handful of nutcases that can pass their litmus test.

Neckties strangle clear thinking. -- Lin Yutang

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