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An Oven That Runs Android 123

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Google85 writes "Dacor is exhibiting an oven that runs Android at CES 2013: it pulls together a 1GHz processor, 512MB of DDR2 RAM and Android 4.0.3. It also cooks food. At the front of the Discovery Wall Oven, there's a 7-inch LCD touch panel. From the article: '...The oven-maker's Discovery IQ controller cooking app will offer up interactive cooking guides, recipes and all other things cooking, although you'll still be able to install more standard apps from Google Play. The built-in cooking app offers preprogrammed dishes and adjustable timings for several dishes, while you can even program the oven to cook food remotely from any Android device.'"
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An Oven That Runs Android

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  • finally! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @09:15PM (#42540905)
    intel beats ARM! (at excessive heat production)
    • Re:finally! (Score:4, Funny)

      by bigtrike (904535) on Thursday January 10, 2013 @12:17PM (#42546783)

      The oven uses dual P4 chips for heating elements.

    • by mcgrew (92797) *

      I was wondering what good a computer in a stove would do. Remote cooking? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense... leave the food in the shut-off oven to spoil for a few hours, then have the oven running when nobody's home. Yeah, that sounds REAL smart.

      • I believe they have an oven that has an integrated refrigerant system to keep food cold. I mean, if you're throwing a tablet in the mix, why not a refrigerator. Next thing you know the stove will be streaming videos across the house.
  • by Dexter Herbivore (1322345) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @09:18PM (#42540927) Journal
    That's all I need, to have someone compromise my oven with malware and burn my roast.
    • by tokencode (1952944) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @09:29PM (#42541049)
      Or "overclock" your oven and burn your house down....
      • by Anonymous Coward

        It'll be okay, we'll just send in MegaMan.EXE. [strategywiki.org]

      • I'm pretty sure you could hard-wire safety mechanisms that prevented this.

        Similar concept here: http://hackaday.com/2012/10/13/open-source-android-thermostat/#more-87901 [hackaday.com]

        A post by the creator in his forums:

        As a few people have pointed out, there is some risk that your heater may get stuck in the on state or off state if the app or your phone was to lock up. I've added a few safeguards against this already in the code and am going to add a few more, but I'd like to also find an all mechanical solution to this to ensure the thermostat fails safely if it does fail.

        The best solution I know of is to use three bimetal switches to:

        Break the circuit on the heater to turn it off if the temperature gets above 100F
        Connect the circuit to turn on the heater if the temperature gets below 45F
        Connect the circuit to turn on the air conditioner if the temperature gets above 100F

        The problem is most of the major manufacturers of these switches do not sell directly to the public. You have to place bulk orders. The few I have found such as these ( 1, 2, 3) are large, heavy, overkill and somewhat expensive. It would be hard to fit three of these in the case, and more may be needed when multi-stage support is added.

        There are several cheap thermal fuses, but these only appear to be available for higher temperature ranges. The only reasonable solution I have been able to find so far are these switches from Amico. (104F NC, 104F NO). The only problem with these is they are Chinese made and have not been UL certified. I think an uncertified mechanical fail safe is a whole lot better than no mechanical fail safe at all, so unless someone knows of a better option I plan on including these in the next design. I really hope someone can provide a better option though.

        http://androidthermostat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5 [androidthermostat.com]

        • by mysidia (191772)

          Break the circuit on the heater to turn it off if the temperature gets above 100F Connect the circuit to turn on the heater if the temperature gets below 45F Connect the circuit to turn on the air conditioner if the temperature gets above 100F

          The article is about ovens, and you seem to be referring to thermostats. There's not much you would normally cook without exceeding 100F.

          Ovens under automatic software control may be a bit more dangerous than heaters. Ovens are in living spaces, and may be danger

          • by Golddess (1361003)

            There's not much you would normally cook without exceeding 100F.

            So pick a metal that breaks at 500F instead, or whatever would be a good upper range.

    • by icebike (68054)

      That's all I need, to have someone compromise my oven with malware and burn my roast.

      Ha Ha Ha Ha How else are we going to Ma Ma Ma Make the world safe for Ma Ma Ma Max Headroom [youtube.com]?

    • I'm sure there will appear an app which auto-orders delivery pizza in the event your dinner burns to a crisp....
  • If it'll just set its own clock... You can get Android now or wait for iOS. I think for the price, I'll stick with my $1k LG oven and set my own clock though.

  • by Andy Prough (2730467) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @09:24PM (#42540989)
    will only cook recipes previously approved by Steve Jobs. Fanboys will quickly realize that all other food was crap anyways. It will cost $5,000 more than the Android oven.
  • Way over-clock it, then you get "Android that Runs Ovens".

  • It makes sense to put one on the fridge, but don't most of us have an oven below the range? If you use your oven a whole lot you might want it up higher, but in that case you'll probably want a more serious oven, too...

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Maybe it's a feature, it'll use some surplus Pentium 4s hooked up to a convection loop heatsink to cook the food.

    • Now I know you're trying to be funny (and failing because the K7 cpu smokes when the heatsink is removed) but you raise a valid point. Most stoves with the fancy displays eventually burn out or fade after a few years due to the oven heat. So now my oven is totally useless because the display quit or a solder joint on the pcb failed.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Better to have a $1 low-power embedded CPU with an API, an external interface (Ethernet, USB, WiFi, ...) and no display, so the oven can be integrated into a home network and controlled by a widget running on the user's own computer. Every appliance independently trying to do everything simply adds complication, with no benefit.

    • Better to have a $1 low-power embedded CPU with an API, an external interface (Ethernet, USB, WiFi, ...) and no display, so the oven can be integrated into a home network and controlled by a widget running on the user's own computer.

      Which would require the user to pace back and forth between the room with "the user's own computer" and the kitchen with the oven.

    • by dindi (78034)

      Actually, an atmega368 can comfortably run a serial 20x4 character lcd, a keypad, a serial (xbee) or ethernet, cost lest than $100 ... and you can put it on a motion sensor, so if the oven is off it turns on only when you are nearby.

      But being an electric oven it is a watt-hog anyway. I prefer an electric oven, but the top has to be gas. I would be a little worried to have my gas appliance on the net. Maybe even without the net it can silently kill you with a leak.

      But I agree with you and I don't get why th

  • "I'm just gonna have a piece of that cake you just made. You have to! -- The licenses on derivative works, and all that..."

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Finally, I can upgrade from my NetBSD running toaster!

  • by jkrise (535370) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @09:43PM (#42541159) Journal

    should be the first recipe on the free book that comes with the oven.

    "Apples think too much of themselves. When beaten to pulp however, they are delicious to consume. Apple pulp ideally needs to be roasted slowly to a crisp, using our special Android program. Although this app is free, and we have not applied for any patents, it is unlikely you will get this on an Apple iPhone anytiime soon. So enjoy your daily dose of "Apple pulp cookies" to keep the doctors and lawyers away."

  • If it has custom profiles suitable for doing solder reflow, I could see getting one.

  • 5 years from now (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Kryptonian Jor-El (970056) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @09:47PM (#42541211)
    When android 4.0 is completely obsolete, and so is the hardware in the oven, what are you going to do? No apps will be compatible. This stuff needs to be modular, so you can remove it and upgrade it; the electronics will be outdated loooooong before the oven needs to be replaced
    • Re:5 years from now (Score:5, Interesting)

      by NIK282000 (737852) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @09:56PM (#42541289) Homepage Journal

      If it's going to be a "smart" device I would expect it to be about the same build quality as phones and MP3 players. In 5 years the batteries wont hold a charge, the door wont stay shut and you'll have to put a rubber band on it to keep the on button pushed in. Then you can justify getting a new one!

      • This is why an all-purpose tablet would be great. Put a long-term wireless standard in these appliances, and sync that up to a tablet. 1 smart device for all appliances, that can be used outside of the kitchen, and can be upgraded as tech improves
    • by Andy Prough (2730467) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @10:16PM (#42541441)
      Windows 12 EB (EasyBake version) will be out of beta by then.
    • I have apps on my android phone from about 5 years ago. They work fine. All you are going to want on the thing, presumably, are apps related to cooking or the oven itself.

      You won't need to upgrade the hardware, because you aren't going to upgrade the software. You're going to leave the OS on it as-is for 15 years and use it to run super-simple apps which you could probably run on a computer built in 1999.

      If I were designing this thing in hobbyist mode I probably wouldn't even have bothered making something

    • by ikaruga (2725453)
      This device is so niche that I'm pretty sure the only people developing apps for it are the maker itself and a small community of fans, both of which know the specs and limitations of the device they are targeting. It's not like there is a standard oven control protocol either so no need for compatibility between other similar devices either. And I'm definitely not running an oven app on my phone either(might consider it for my gaming PC though). Having Android in this oven is like having some form of linux
    • by thegarbz (1787294)

      With many of the top downloaded Android apps being written for Eclair (2.0 not 2.1) and those which don't actually supporting the even older Donut (1.6) somehow I don't think this is a major problem.

      Also why do you suddenly think that the existence of future apps renders the old ones obsolete? Quite the opposite is true. The Android Market or Play Store or whatever the hell they call it will actively block incompatible updates and prevent them from being installed on the device.

      At that point all there is to

    • > When android 4.0 is completely obsolete, and so is the hardware in the oven, what are you going to do?

      You mean like an iMac that integrates a quickly obsolete computer with an expensive monitor that would normally have economic value over multiple generations of computer? That kind of obsolete? Or did you mean something different?
    • by bigtrike (904535)

      I do agree with you, but most people that buy Dacor appliances seem to be the type to be remodeling their kitchens every 5 years anyways.

  • Now all it needs is some hot new apps!


    *Ducks*
  • Android powered kitchen sink

    • Will it have arms and hands to do the dishes?? I'm in... OH wait, if it gets hacked it could attack me while I'm using "manual mode"...

  • Finally! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by istartedi (132515) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @10:27PM (#42541543) Journal

    Finally! Appliances that last less than two years. Regular shoddy merchandise cut the replacement time to about 5 years, but that wasn't good enough. We need appliances on a two year update cycle. This is especially true for the refrigerator. The damned things last for decades. Decades, I tell you! That lousy refrigerant that also lubricates the pump. Awful stuff. Finally we can get those on a two-year upgrade cycle too.

    Oh, BTW, "we" are the manufacturers. Customers? I think we heard of those one time. We turned them into "consumers". They WILL comply.

  • Could be useful (Score:5, Interesting)

    by steveha (103154) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @10:30PM (#42541565) Homepage

    I know the consensus on /. is going to be that this idea is totally silly.

    But, I can think of a few features I wouldn't mind having on a smart oven:

    * It joins my home network, and I can put a widget on my desktop showing current oven temperature and the value of any countdown timers running.

    * It has optional temperature probes, so if you want to do your meat right, instead of cooking by time you cook until the meat hits the correct temperature. And the current temperature appears on the desktop widget I mentioned above, and an alert fires when the temperature hits a certain value.

    I have a meat temperature probe that came complete with a remote display/alarm. (The worst thing about it: if you take it out of range, it never goes off. It really should have a "watchdog" feature where it says "hey, I haven't received a heartbeat in a while, I must be out of range or something" and the alarm goes off.) I would love having the oven on my home network, using open protocols; let's face it, if I'm waiting for a pie to cook or something I'm going to be at my computer.

    I can think of sillier ideas.

    * Lots of fancy cook cycles. I looked at TFA and it seems they already have this one covered.

    * QR codes on foods you cook in the oven, and you wave them past a cheap camera on the oven and it sets up the cook cycle!

    * Multiple, convenient, named timers. The "Pie0" timer is almost done, but the "Pie1" timer has another ten minutes on it. I wouldn't buy one just for this, but I'd use it if I had it.

    * Voice input for things like setting timer names?

    This isn't the hottest idea I've ever heard, but it's not completely half-baked.

    • Re:Could be useful (Score:4, Interesting)

      by RCSInfo (847666) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 @10:44PM (#42541673)
      I like where you are going. The idea of an oven with Android isn't bad, but it should do a lot more than the oven in the article. I'd definitely add one thing to the wish list - a camera. At the very least it could give me a video feed of what is cooking that I could stream to my desktop or phone.

      After the technology takes off, I then would like to get some photo recognition software going. My ideal oven will indicate when food is done by using color and pattern recognition that it downloaded from the Internet along with the recipe.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      This isn't the hottest idea I've ever heard, but it's not completely half-baked.

      Yeah, I'm starting to warm up to the idea.

    • > Voice input for things like setting timer names?

      Yes, I can see how that goes:
      - nineteen minutes, please

      Starting ninety minute program...
      OTA update started. Please to not shut down the own while this is in progress
    • Look, if you stick a probe into a piece of meat, and it then wanders out of the closed oven, your meat is to rare! Either kill it more or don't leave it outside the fridge for so long.

    • They could be printed with food safe UV ink on the foods themselves. I've wondered why microwaves don't do this. I realize that cook times vary, but you could store the kWh to cook the food along with power levels and timing in the QR code.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    A gun, an oven, what next? The toilet will run Android to help me aim...

  • by Anonymous Coward

    How do you prepare Angry Birds in an Android oven? 450 degrees for an hour per every 4 lbs?

    I assume they taste like chicken...

  • So, expect someone to cook your breakfast on your Birthday, etc (a nice enough event).

    But, on Apr Fool's Day, someone could set-off smoke detectors (worse if they also open
    fire-sprinklers, that could damage furnishings, etc.)

    And, arsonists could set a fire remotely... from many Km's ago (creating a bullet-proof
    alibi). ...otherwise, a cool toy / tool.

  • I'm glad someone has finally found a use for Intel's Android port [01.org].
  • Am I the only one seeing a battery status incon in the bottom-right corner in that first big screenshot. Why in world would an electric appliance have a battery powered interface?!? Also, next to it appears to be a cell phone reception indicator. I can understand wifi (which is also there), but why does your OVEN need a MOBILE networking interface?!?
  • Of course, it's a troll: BSD is dying. But this one settles it once and for all.

    After all, BSD can only run on a lowly toaster [slashdot.org], now Android totally eclipses them by running on an oven! I don't think BSD can ever recover from such a smack in the face.

  • I control my oven using DOS and DESQview with the command line. Weasels!

  • by kilodelta (843627) on Thursday January 10, 2013 @02:39AM (#42543153) Homepage
    Should be forced to read "The Toaster Story". http://ronald.naweb.com/funnies/tech02-toast.html [naweb.com]
  • No more christmas dinners to cook anymore, with the help from Google calendar :p

  • blast from the past (Score:3, Interesting)

    by plaut (42347) on Thursday January 10, 2013 @08:20AM (#42544335)

    "In the future, the proof of a person's technical skill will be based on their
    ability to boot linux on random objects. Those who are able to get a bash
    prompt on a toaster oven will be gods that walk among us, constantly harping
    on our choice of distribution."

                                    --deathbyzen (slashdot.org 14-Dec-05)

  • I'm just curious how the electronics would handle the excessive heat over the course of time.

  • by RevWaldo (1186281) on Thursday January 10, 2013 @09:33AM (#42544741)
    It's never going to happen!

    OK, maybe not never, but they've been pushing the idea of computers making life in the kitchen for Suzie Homemaker a breeze since practically the days of Bletchley Park and its never completely taken off. "It can keep an inventory of ingredients you have on hand! A full database of recipes! Develop nutritionally complete meal plans! Automatic shopping lists! Step-by-step cooking instructions with automated temperature controls!"

    And the people saw these innovations, and thought....meh.

    Probably everyone here has a microwave that let's you put in the time/power for dozens of food items with the mere push of a couple of buttons - "press Potato once for one potato, twice for two potatoes" - and we can barely be bothered to even use that. (I used the Water button on mine for my morning cuppa tea, but that's it.) We just go "eeeeehhh, three minutes sounds about right." Cooking is still a realm where people are perfectly comfortable with winging it.

    .
  • Now I can play Angry Birds on my oven while I roast an angry bird!!
  • or Bad Piggies while cooking a ham...
    Perhaps there's a limit to the devices that actually need Android on them? I mean, I'm sure I don't need a toothpick with Android installed...
  • ...pink slime [wikipedia.org], and a 3D printer, and you'll really have something.

    "Cornish game hen? Yeah, I can do that. Let me call up the template..."

  • If this thing lets me check the status of my oven on my phone, and does things like ring me when the roast is cooked, I'm interested.

  • First there will be QR codes on food packages to set the oven's temperature and cooking time.

    Then there will be people starving, because they threw out the package before scanning it.

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