Please, were so past the days of plywood. These days engineer wood is far superior to other building materials. And Romans were all about engineering. I'd like to think Jesus would have deserved the finest engineered cross they could afford. Now if you said it was an MDF cross maybe you'd have something.
I think it's interesting how people act on their beliefs. A lot of Christians, for instance, wear crosses around their necks. Nice sentiment, but do you think when Jesus comes back, he's really going to want to look at a cross?
''Nice sentiment, but do you think when Jesus comes back, he's really going to want to look at a cross?''
How amazing is it that in 2020 when we can manipulate subatomic particles and know about entanglement and can't exactly explain the physics.
And there are people who believe there was a person that was conceived in a virgin, rose from the dead once, and think there's great odds that a twice dead person will once again be reincarnated. Supporting that theory is the largest tax protected business in the wor
One of the things religious organizations do is perform charitable functions. Without them, the government would be forcibly taking your money to perform the same functions, usually with much poorer efficiency and effectiveness. That's why religious organizations should be tax exempt, like any charity.
Another thing religious organizations do is provide a power base in competition with government, thus helping reduce the abuses of powerful government. Alas, this is not always the case, and when a vile religi
One of the things religious organizations do is perform charitable functions. Without them, the government would be forcibly taking your money to perform the same functions, usually with much poorer efficiency and effectiveness. That's why religious organizations should be tax exempt, like any charity.
If that's true, then they should have no trouble qualifying as some sort of nonprofit without the religious excuse.
I'm not so sure about the poorer efficiency and effectiveness of government activities versus churches. In the case of the catholic church, there seems to be a lot of stained glass and gold foil that needs to be paid for alongside the charitable activities. For other churches, there seem to be a lot of mansions, private jets, luxury cars, mistresses/pool boys to pay for. Even for those charities where there isn't a lot of ostentatious ornamentation and perquisites to pay for, there's the question of how muc
Atheism is also a faith-based religion. You cannot prove the existence or non-existence of God, thus your beliefs are based in faith. Not that that's wrong, but it is wrong to condemn one side and not the other. And Atheism tends to have the same problems as other religions. Taken it to it's logical conclusion, under Atheism there can be no right and wrong, any more then it cannot be sinful for a sun to go nova and destroy a hunk of rock. So what is the difference between that and an atheist stealing somet
Most atheists are actually just pragmatic agnostics. They aren't taking it on faith that there is no god any more than they are taking it on faith that there isn't a tiger under their bed. It's not that they don't think that it's absolutely impossible that there's a tiger under their bed, they just think that the incredibly low probability is as close to impossible as makes no difference. There is, after all no shortage of mutually incompatible religions the world.I've heard it said that atheists really on
And there are people who believe there was a person that was conceived in a virgin, rose from the dead once, and think there's great odds that a twice dead person will once again be reincarnated.
Christians don't believe he will be reincarnated. The basic teaching (this is in the Nicene Creed; it's as basic as it gets) is that he ascended after the resurrection but that he'll return in the same body. In this body he was united to humanity, thus saving humanity. It cannot be abandoned without abandoning the
I suppose that's consistent with the belief in the incorruptible bodies of saints, etc. Christians who believe in heave as a physical kingdom on Earth in the future inhabited by the risen dead have to believe in some form of reincarnation though. Clearly most human bodies are not incorruptible in death, usually falling apart into nothing. Even the "preserved" ones are clearly in no state to be re-inhabited without basically being rebuilt from scratch. That goes for the body of any saint you care to name whe
I suppose that's consistent with the belief in the incorruptible bodies of saints, etc.
Exactly so. Actually, that's the whole point of all that. Even the remains of the saints that aren't incorrupt are venerated. That's precisely what a relic is. The assumption is that the remains--the physical matter itself--is sacred and will be part of the resurrection.
Even the "preserved" ones are clearly in no state to be re-inhabited without basically being rebuilt from scratch. That goes for the body of any saint yo
I feel a little of my background may be needed before diving into religious discussions. My family joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1831; some stragglers on another line weren't baptized until the 1850s. This sect is Christian, but doesn't bind itself to the Nicene or other creeds.
I suppose that's consistent with the belief in the incorruptible bodies of saints, etc.
My sect believes that our bodies do decompose after death (eg. our bodies were formed from the dust and until dust will return). During the resurrection, our bodies are restored to a perfect, incorruptible
And there are people who believe there was a person that was conceived in a virgin, rose from the dead once, and think there's great odds that a twice dead person will once again be reincarnated. Supporting that theory is the largest tax protected business in the world. I have no problem with anyone's right to believe what they care to believe or join a similar clan. But why in this day and age to we allow business designed to support similar type thought a tax free exemption?
My family has been Christian for over a thousand years. I can't grasp where you came up with the claim of a "twice dead person". Jesus died ONCE. According to Christians he rose from the dead then spent 40 days ministering before ascending to heaven WITH his physical body which doubting Thomas touched. Christians believe that Jesus will return in a chariot of fire and winder unlike his meek entrance some 2,000 years ago. Lots of predictions have been made as to when the Second Coming will occur (and all hav
True Christians know they are imperfect, and thus strive to be more like Christ. Not everybody who calls themselves a Christian is truly a Christian. Equivalent: Stalin was an Atheist--should we compare all Atheists to Stalin (or Mao, or Pol Pot)?
I think it's interesting how people act on their beliefs. A lot of Christians, for instance, wear crosses around their necks. Nice sentiment, but do you think when Jesus comes back, he's really going to want to look at a cross?
-Bill Hicks
I have mixed feelings about crosses. It was on a cross that Jesus died for us. I understand how people want to focus and celebrate Jesus paying for our sins. For me, though, I prefer to focus on the empty tomb. Yes, Jesus died, but that wasn't the end of the story. Because Jesus rose from the dead, so shall we. Jesus was the victor, not some piece of wood.
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Video shows the four young men chanting "Christ is king" as they tear down the monolith and replace it with a plywood cross.
Plywood? I deserve better than that, you fuckers. I'm not impressed.
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Please, were so past the days of plywood. These days engineer wood is far superior to other building materials. And Romans were all about engineering. I'd like to think Jesus would have deserved the finest engineered cross they could afford. Now if you said it was an MDF cross maybe you'd have something.
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I think it's interesting how people act on their beliefs. A lot of Christians, for instance, wear crosses around their necks. Nice sentiment, but do you think when Jesus comes back, he's really going to want to look at a cross?
-Bill Hicks
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I bet he will be pretty crossed. After all, he died on one,
Imagine if Jesus came later in history and was shot by a gun. Would believers wear tiny gun earrings or necklaces?
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''Nice sentiment, but do you think when Jesus comes back, he's really going to want to look at a cross?''
How amazing is it that in 2020 when we can manipulate subatomic particles and know about entanglement and can't exactly explain the physics.
And there are people who believe there was a person that was conceived in a virgin, rose from the dead once, and think there's great odds that a twice dead person will once again be reincarnated. Supporting that theory is the largest tax protected business in the wor
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One of the things religious organizations do is perform charitable functions. Without them, the government would be forcibly taking your money to perform the same functions, usually with much poorer efficiency and effectiveness. That's why religious organizations should be tax exempt, like any charity.
Another thing religious organizations do is provide a power base in competition with government, thus helping reduce the abuses of powerful government. Alas, this is not always the case, and when a vile religi
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One of the things religious organizations do is perform charitable functions. Without them, the government would be forcibly taking your money to perform the same functions, usually with much poorer efficiency and effectiveness. That's why religious organizations should be tax exempt, like any charity.
If that's true, then they should have no trouble qualifying as some sort of nonprofit without the religious excuse.
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I'm not so sure about the poorer efficiency and effectiveness of government activities versus churches. In the case of the catholic church, there seems to be a lot of stained glass and gold foil that needs to be paid for alongside the charitable activities. For other churches, there seem to be a lot of mansions, private jets, luxury cars, mistresses/pool boys to pay for. Even for those charities where there isn't a lot of ostentatious ornamentation and perquisites to pay for, there's the question of how muc
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Most atheists are actually just pragmatic agnostics. They aren't taking it on faith that there is no god any more than they are taking it on faith that there isn't a tiger under their bed. It's not that they don't think that it's absolutely impossible that there's a tiger under their bed, they just think that the incredibly low probability is as close to impossible as makes no difference. There is, after all no shortage of mutually incompatible religions the world .I've heard it said that atheists really on
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Christians don't believe he will be reincarnated. The basic teaching (this is in the Nicene Creed; it's as basic as it gets) is that he ascended after the resurrection but that he'll return in the same body. In this body he was united to humanity, thus saving humanity. It cannot be abandoned without abandoning the
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I suppose that's consistent with the belief in the incorruptible bodies of saints, etc. Christians who believe in heave as a physical kingdom on Earth in the future inhabited by the risen dead have to believe in some form of reincarnation though. Clearly most human bodies are not incorruptible in death, usually falling apart into nothing. Even the "preserved" ones are clearly in no state to be re-inhabited without basically being rebuilt from scratch. That goes for the body of any saint you care to name whe
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Exactly so. Actually, that's the whole point of all that. Even the remains of the saints that aren't incorrupt are venerated. That's precisely what a relic is. The assumption is that the remains--the physical matter itself--is sacred and will be part of the resurrection.
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I feel a little of my background may be needed before diving into religious discussions. My family joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1831; some stragglers on another line weren't baptized until the 1850s. This sect is Christian, but doesn't bind itself to the Nicene or other creeds.
I suppose that's consistent with the belief in the incorruptible bodies of saints, etc.
My sect believes that our bodies do decompose after death (eg. our bodies were formed from the dust and until dust will return). During the resurrection, our bodies are restored to a perfect, incorruptible
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And there are people who believe there was a person that was conceived in a virgin, rose from the dead once, and think there's great odds that a twice dead person will once again be reincarnated. Supporting that theory is the largest tax protected business in the world. I have no problem with anyone's right to believe what they care to believe or join a similar clan. But why in this day and age to we allow business designed to support similar type thought a tax free exemption?
My family has been Christian for over a thousand years. I can't grasp where you came up with the claim of a "twice dead person". Jesus died ONCE. According to Christians he rose from the dead then spent 40 days ministering before ascending to heaven WITH his physical body which doubting Thomas touched. Christians believe that Jesus will return in a chariot of fire and winder unlike his meek entrance some 2,000 years ago. Lots of predictions have been made as to when the Second Coming will occur (and all hav
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I think it's interesting how people act on their beliefs. A lot of Christians, for instance, wear crosses around their necks. Nice sentiment, but do you think when Jesus comes back, he's really going to want to look at a cross?
-Bill Hicks
I have mixed feelings about crosses. It was on a cross that Jesus died for us. I understand how people want to focus and celebrate Jesus paying for our sins. For me, though, I prefer to focus on the empty tomb. Yes, Jesus died, but that wasn't the end of the story. Because Jesus rose from the dead, so shall we. Jesus was the victor, not some piece of wood.
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Wise words from a carpenter.
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