I think it's interesting how people act on their beliefs. A lot of Christians, for instance, wear crosses around their necks. Nice sentiment, but do you think when Jesus comes back, he's really going to want to look at a cross?
''Nice sentiment, but do you think when Jesus comes back, he's really going to want to look at a cross?''
How amazing is it that in 2020 when we can manipulate subatomic particles and know about entanglement and can't exactly explain the physics.
And there are people who believe there was a person that was conceived in a virgin, rose from the dead once, and think there's great odds that a twice dead person will once again be reincarnated. Supporting that theory is the largest tax protected business in the wor
And there are people who believe there was a person that was conceived in a virgin, rose from the dead once, and think there's great odds that a twice dead person will once again be reincarnated.
Christians don't believe he will be reincarnated. The basic teaching (this is in the Nicene Creed; it's as basic as it gets) is that he ascended after the resurrection but that he'll return in the same body. In this body he was united to humanity, thus saving humanity. It cannot be abandoned without abandoning the
I suppose that's consistent with the belief in the incorruptible bodies of saints, etc. Christians who believe in heave as a physical kingdom on Earth in the future inhabited by the risen dead have to believe in some form of reincarnation though. Clearly most human bodies are not incorruptible in death, usually falling apart into nothing. Even the "preserved" ones are clearly in no state to be re-inhabited without basically being rebuilt from scratch. That goes for the body of any saint you care to name whe
I feel a little of my background may be needed before diving into religious discussions. My family joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1831; some stragglers on another line weren't baptized until the 1850s. This sect is Christian, but doesn't bind itself to the Nicene or other creeds.
I suppose that's consistent with the belief in the incorruptible bodies of saints, etc.
My sect believes that our bodies do decompose after death (eg. our bodies were formed from the dust and until dust will return). During the resurrection, our bodies are restored to a perfect, incorruptible state and reunited with our spirits. This union of spirit and perfected body will not be separated again. Many in my sect have noted that Jesus told his disciples that he was not a ghost / spirit, but that he had a. body of flesh and bones. It is interesting that blood was omitted from that statement. Jesus ate fish and honeycomb after his resurrection, so we know resurrected bodies can process food.
Christians who believe in heave as a physical kingdom on Earth in the future inhabited by the risen dead have to believe in some form of reincarnation though. Clearly most human bodies are not incorruptible in death, usually falling apart into nothing. Even the "preserved" ones are clearly in no state to be re-inhabited without basically being rebuilt from scratch. That goes for the body of any saint you care to name where they still have the body.
Jesus was in the tomb for 3 days before rising from the dead. This comes from a Hebrew belief that someone is only truly dead after 3 days. Three days was not much time for his body to begin the decomposition process. Because his tomb was empty and the body he showed his followers bore the marks of crucifixion, we assume the same matter composed his perfected resurrected body. Since we have relics of the Saints of old, we can safely assume either these relics are fake or those Saints have not yet been resurrected.
My sect does not worship the ancient Saints, but we recognize them as examples of faith and christ-like living. Relics provide a tangible connection to Deity. If this finger really truly belonged to St. Peter, then it means that St. Peter was a real person, and lends credence to the testimony attributed to him. All human remains will eventually decompose. The mechanics of perfecting human remains in preparation of the resurrection have not been revealed. It is another matter we need to take on faith.
If you want to get into transubstantiation - which sounds exactly like a metaphor but we're told is not a metaphor - then I suppose it can argued that it is the same body. I would argue that it sounds a lot like the question of whether a body teleported with a Star Trek transporter is really still the same body or not.
Not all Christians believe in transubstantiation. My sect believes that the bread and water (or wine) are emblems of Christ's body and blood. There is no mysterious transforming into the literal flesh and blood of Jesus. Our Sacrament prayers say we "eat in remembrance of the body" of the Son or we "drink in remembrance of the blood [of Jesus] which was shed for [us]". I heard it joked that there are enough splinters of the One True Cross to recreate Noah's ark. I imagine the same could be said of Christ's flesh and blood - if transubstantiation is true - given how many people take communion.
Plywood? (Score:5, Funny)
Video shows the four young men chanting "Christ is king" as they tear down the monolith and replace it with a plywood cross.
Plywood? I deserve better than that, you fuckers. I'm not impressed.
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I think it's interesting how people act on their beliefs. A lot of Christians, for instance, wear crosses around their necks. Nice sentiment, but do you think when Jesus comes back, he's really going to want to look at a cross?
-Bill Hicks
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''Nice sentiment, but do you think when Jesus comes back, he's really going to want to look at a cross?''
How amazing is it that in 2020 when we can manipulate subatomic particles and know about entanglement and can't exactly explain the physics.
And there are people who believe there was a person that was conceived in a virgin, rose from the dead once, and think there's great odds that a twice dead person will once again be reincarnated. Supporting that theory is the largest tax protected business in the wor
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Christians don't believe he will be reincarnated. The basic teaching (this is in the Nicene Creed; it's as basic as it gets) is that he ascended after the resurrection but that he'll return in the same body. In this body he was united to humanity, thus saving humanity. It cannot be abandoned without abandoning the
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I suppose that's consistent with the belief in the incorruptible bodies of saints, etc. Christians who believe in heave as a physical kingdom on Earth in the future inhabited by the risen dead have to believe in some form of reincarnation though. Clearly most human bodies are not incorruptible in death, usually falling apart into nothing. Even the "preserved" ones are clearly in no state to be re-inhabited without basically being rebuilt from scratch. That goes for the body of any saint you care to name whe
Re:Plywood? (Score:2)
I feel a little of my background may be needed before diving into religious discussions. My family joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1831; some stragglers on another line weren't baptized until the 1850s. This sect is Christian, but doesn't bind itself to the Nicene or other creeds.
I suppose that's consistent with the belief in the incorruptible bodies of saints, etc.
My sect believes that our bodies do decompose after death (eg. our bodies were formed from the dust and until dust will return). During the resurrection, our bodies are restored to a perfect, incorruptible state and reunited with our spirits. This union of spirit and perfected body will not be separated again. Many in my sect have noted that Jesus told his disciples that he was not a ghost / spirit, but that he had a. body of flesh and bones. It is interesting that blood was omitted from that statement. Jesus ate fish and honeycomb after his resurrection, so we know resurrected bodies can process food.
Christians who believe in heave as a physical kingdom on Earth in the future inhabited by the risen dead have to believe in some form of reincarnation though. Clearly most human bodies are not incorruptible in death, usually falling apart into nothing. Even the "preserved" ones are clearly in no state to be re-inhabited without basically being rebuilt from scratch. That goes for the body of any saint you care to name where they still have the body.
Jesus was in the tomb for 3 days before rising from the dead. This comes from a Hebrew belief that someone is only truly dead after 3 days. Three days was not much time for his body to begin the decomposition process. Because his tomb was empty and the body he showed his followers bore the marks of crucifixion, we assume the same matter composed his perfected resurrected body. Since we have relics of the Saints of old, we can safely assume either these relics are fake or those Saints have not yet been resurrected.
My sect does not worship the ancient Saints, but we recognize them as examples of faith and christ-like living. Relics provide a tangible connection to Deity. If this finger really truly belonged to St. Peter, then it means that St. Peter was a real person, and lends credence to the testimony attributed to him. All human remains will eventually decompose. The mechanics of perfecting human remains in preparation of the resurrection have not been revealed. It is another matter we need to take on faith.
If you want to get into transubstantiation - which sounds exactly like a metaphor but we're told is not a metaphor - then I suppose it can argued that it is the same body. I would argue that it sounds a lot like the question of whether a body teleported with a Star Trek transporter is really still the same body or not.
Not all Christians believe in transubstantiation. My sect believes that the bread and water (or wine) are emblems of Christ's body and blood. There is no mysterious transforming into the literal flesh and blood of Jesus. Our Sacrament prayers say we "eat in remembrance of the body" of the Son or we "drink in remembrance of the blood [of Jesus] which was shed for [us]". I heard it joked that there are enough splinters of the One True Cross to recreate Noah's ark. I imagine the same could be said of Christ's flesh and blood - if transubstantiation is true - given how many people take communion.