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School Putting Autistic Children in Fenced Enclosure 56

In an attempt to deal with autistic children who "have no sense of boundaries and do not respond to staff asking them to stop," a Sydney primary school has created pens which hold the disabled children during play time. As you might expect, parents have expressed outrage that their kids are forced to stand inside a fenced enclosure that has one tree, a bench and a dirt floor. The Department of Education said in a statement: "The school is located on a busy road. Without this area, the students may leave the school grounds and could potentially be injured. Some of these children have no sense of boundaries and do not respond to staff asking them to stop. Once the school is satisfied a student will listen to directions from staff members and is also aware of playground boundaries, the child can use the playground."

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School Putting Autistic Children in Fenced Enclosure

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  • The article doesn't say how big the area is. Growing up as a kid, I went to several different schools and they all had fenced playgrounds. This doesn't really seem alarming unless the fenced areas are exremely small. I would like to find out the size of this "enclosure".
    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 12, 2010 @12:50PM (#31453822)
      I have NEVER seen a schoolyard that DIDN'T have a fenced playground. Besides... they put up a fence, the parents put up a fight. No fence, a kid gets injured or killed, the parents will sue the school. The schools are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
      • I've never seen a fenced playground. I grew up in rural Ontario. I've since moved, but I haven't gone out of my way to examine any schools since, so maybe it's common in more urban areas.

        • I grew up in Montreal, Quebec in the 1960s and 70s.

          Not only was my school's playground with an asphalt base fenced, the fence was topped with barbed wire. Didn't stop us from climbing it to retrieve balls gone astray (and sometimes ripping our trousers). I'm surprised no kid got seriously injured. Then again, if they did, it'd be "their own damn stupid fault" for trying to "climb the fence".

      • We had a fence, but it wasn't enclosing. I guess it was intended to stop balls and things from flying out into the road, but the kids could still walk around it if they wanted (and often had to to recover whatever was hit OVER the fence.
      • The article's Australian, and having grown up (and went to school) in Australia I can say that ~most~ suburban schools in Australia do NOT have a fence around their boundary. Mine didn't. Although I think things are changing ... a school near where I live now has just had a fence installed in the last couple of years.

        I spend a lot of time in the US though and it does seem over there that even in many suburban and rural areas, school playgrounds are fenced.

      • This is very dependent on time and location. As recently as the 1980s most suburban schools in decent areas were not fenced. My Jr. High School was attached to a park in Silicon Valley, and was open. Elementary school had a low perimeter fence around the entire edge of the property but not the playground specifically.

        These days my father refers to the school near him as the 'local gulag' with all of it's fencing - instilling a prison like atmosphere inside and out. I revisited that school of mine not

    • Fences playgrounds are indeed nothing out of the ordinary. But they didn't fence in the playground, they fenced in a portion of it and locked the autistic kids inside. That is quite out of the ordinary.
      • Autistic kids aren't "ordinary", as sad as that might make some people to hear. They were having difficulty keeping them from wandering off, and this is a good solution.
        • Well, I'm glad we have a final solution to the autism problem. Maybe now the rest of the kids can concentrate.
    • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Wow. I am a parent of an autistic child and I know many other autistic children and families. I guess you could say I, and many other parents, have years of experience.

      Wandering is a very real issue for many parents: there is a fellow in our neighborhood who is mid-teens now and who has wandered since he was about 7 years old. "Wander" does not mean just to the end of the block -- could be anywhere in the city. The city police got to know him quite well because of the number of times he was brought

    • This is stupid bullshit. The kindergarten where my kids go has a nice big outdoors playground with grass, slides and swings. It's all surrounded by a tall fence with barbwire on top. There's only one (always locked) entrance/exit with a guy watching.

      I'd go nuts if I knew my kids were playing on the street with nothing between them and the road. A small kid can't understand the danger of walking on the road. You can't just expect him to obey just because you tell him "You can't go there!". In my own exper

    • by v1 ( 525388 )

      If there's a road nearby and they're worried for the kids, I'd be asking why the entire playground isn't fenced in? Do they allow the "normal kids" to play in traffic?

  • Coloured writing (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Kell Bengal ( 711123 ) on Friday March 12, 2010 @02:01PM (#31454738)
    This is yellow journalism and blue-faced agitation at its worst. These are special needs kids who are prone to wandering, at a school near a busy road. The fence was installed at the request of their parents. The article clearly states this (as does the summary); the coalition is complaining about it merely because it's an opportunity to cause a pernicious backlash against the school board. Frankly, they should be ashamed of themselves - it's like arguing that installing ramps at a school it singles out people in wheelchairs.
    • Re:Coloured writing (Score:5, Informative)

      by pvera ( 250260 ) <pedro.vera@gmail.com> on Friday March 12, 2010 @10:24PM (#31461014) Homepage Journal

      Yup.

      I am the father of an 11-year old autistic boy with an escape artist complex. He has already tried to run away from his teachers many times, and in one occasion he actually made it out of the school grounds. My only relief at the time is that when he took off running almost everyone was outside, so everyone, even the principal, took off after him.

      It still took a good 15 minutes to catch him, and they had already called the police.

      A fence is not going to stop this from happening, but it provides a decent speed bump for wandering children that don't understand the concept of danger.

      • by CODiNE ( 27417 )

        That sounds like what the kid in "What's Eating Gilbert Grape" had. I think in the movie he was called "retarded" but he really acted like he had something else entirely. I'm gonna have to read up on the different types of autism.

    • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I agree completely. My wife works at a school which caters to children with Autism, and they have several who are runners. At least once a week they have an escape which requires the school staff running after the child, calling the police, and all other levels of disruption and danger to the students and staff. One child in particular is a really good runner -- only one of the teachers there can run fast enough to catch him. Luckily they are located in an area which is mostly surrounded by farm land.

    • Actually, every public elementary school I can think of here in Pittsburgh has a fenced in place where the children play. All the children. Big fences too. Keeps the balls the kids are playing with from going into the street...oh and yeah, keeping those non-autistic kids from running away.
    • by nurb432 ( 527695 )

      When i was a kid we were kept in a fenced 'cage' too, of course it was the back perimeter of the school property. One school we didn't have *any* trees, only play fields.

      If this fenced in area is large enough i don't see a huge issue, but if its too small, then its a true cage and parents should be appalled.

  • by Volante3192 ( 953645 ) on Friday March 12, 2010 @05:24PM (#31457680)

    Parents complain about child's safety. Check.
    School responds by putting up fence. Check.
    Parents complain about putting children in fenced areas. Check.

    And thus another ouroborous was born.

  • And i assume... (Score:2, Insightful)

    Keeping them indoors wouldn't be an option? Wire fencing them is a pragmatic solution, but besides sending a really, really wrong message to the other children (and the autistic kids themselves, if they are able to reflect upon their social standing towards other people, which might not be the case) it seems very boring.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Isn't this a glaring sign that these children shouldn't be in that environment at all? I have a severely autistic (ie tantrumming pre-schooler in adult's body) brother. Growing up he attended a special needs school where the whole playground was well fenced, and where there were specialist teachers. This school was government-funded, and we were lucky that such facilities were available. Often they aren't, and due to shortage of money (usual story) these kids get shoe-horned in to regular schools where they

  • I don't know how they do it in Oz, but where I'm from we call that "the ground." Were the parents expecting hardwood flooring or wall-to-wall carpeting on the playground?
    • by fj3k ( 993224 )
      I don't know about where you're from, but in Oz we have this thing called "grass". It's what people normally expect a playground to be covered in... except for the sand-pit... oh and basketball courts, etc.
      • I don’t know what it’s like in Oz, but in the US this thing called “grass” doesn’t survive for long with kids playing on it everyday. People here would normally expect a playground to be covered in woodchips, coarse sand, or compressed shredded rubber.

  • After having read the original article and the comments made on it, I would like to share some comments about this, coming from a perspective which probably differs from what may be 74/75ths to perhaps 149/150ths of the rest of you who are Neurotypicals (NTs). You see, I have been diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum Disorder (ASD... God... how I hate that last word), such as those who who are being put into the enclosure. However, in my case, my childhood occurred before ASDs were widely known by teachers

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Most of you people have a total lack of reading comprehension. That or are just cold hearted. The problem here ISN'T that the playground is fenced off! No where does it say that. No where does it imply that. Not a single aspect of it. It's that the autistic children are fenced off from everyone else. Essentially telling the normal kids that the autistic children are animals, while telling the autistic children there is something wrong with them. Having worked with special needs children of all types

  • by eepok ( 545733 ) on Monday March 15, 2010 @10:40AM (#31482600) Homepage

    Putting a dangerous kid in a pen isn't uncommon.

    I've worked with high-function autistic, Asperger's, and ADHD students. In almost all the schools (all of them small), there's a "quiet room": a locked, padded room in case a student goes into a flailing tantrum. Ya, it happens. Ya, it's really quite dangerous for the other children and staff around the angry child. So, if they feel like that's the last resort, they go into the quiet room and chill out.

    • by ka8zrt ( 1380339 )

      True... but this is not just for HFA, AS, ADHD or similar students. I have seen such a room used with NTs as well (such as teens who get out of hand). I have no problems with that sort of thing, so long as it is across the board, and not used as an easy way to seclude a student who they don't want to deal with for other reasons.

  • At first I was inclined to comment on my old elementary school, which had a huge (fenced-in) playground, and how after I paid the school a visit a few decades later, the playground had been reduced to a tenth (no joke!) of the size. The rest of the field left to grow out of control, and the jungle-gyms of yore long gone. However, one thing I think bears pointing out; We have almost eliminated all forms of natural selection in our world, and we're suffering from it, people. Sometimes you have to just let
  • Isn't it an issue anyway that the (unenclosed) school playground is next to a busy road?
  • Finally: some educators who have sound views upon how to educate our progeniture !

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