Church Turns To Facebook To Find Priests 286
crimeandpunishment writes "The Catholic church of France isn't looking for friends on Facebook, it's looking for priests. The church has turned to Facebook as part of a campaign to attract young people to the priesthood, in an effort to combat its drastically dwindling number of priests. It may be working. The Facebook page attracted more than 1,200 fans in one week."
JUST WOW (Score:5, Funny)
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That's not the most ridiculous thing about this. Think about it, they're looking on Facebook for people who want to be celibate.
I don't rate their chances very highly.
Re:JUST WOW (Score:5, Funny)
The logic is beautiful in it's simplicity. A big part of your job in both rolls is guiding people throgh normal problems of life. Rebellious kids, angry wife, miserable mother in law etc... The kind of thing a virgin priest would know nothing about and thus give pointless advice.
However if you are looking for impressionable male virgins, FaceBook is a good place to start but Slashdot would be better. Most ACs should become priests. They already live under vows of Poverty and Chastity. Obedience isn't that hard to learn.
Re:JUST WOW (Score:5, Funny)
I'm neither Jewish nor Catholic, but given the choice I would rather be a Rabbi. Rabbis are practically required to have sex. (You must be married. Preferably with children).
A priest and a rabbi are seated next to each other on a long plane ride, and start talking to each other.
As the flight progresses, they become friends, and start opening up a little bit towards each other. Eventually, the priest asks the rabbi if he's ever eaten a ham sandwich.
The rabbi admits that yes, he once had a bite of a ham sandwich.
The rabbi then asks the priest if he's had sex.
The priest admits that he once broke his vows and had sex.
The rabbi then says "sure beats the hell out of a ham sandwich, doesn't it?"
Re:JUST WOW (Score:5, Insightful)
Give me a break, those are all piss-poor examples. Psychologists don't give advice on how to best be mentally ill, and the job of divorce lawyers is to offer legal services, something they are indeed very experienced in.
Would you go to a relationship counsellor who was never in a relationship? Well, you might, but it is hardly surprising that those of us not already blinded might think twice about it.
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Psychologists don't give advice on how to best be mentally ill
Don't they?
Re:JUST WOW (Score:4, Interesting)
Give me a break, those are all piss-poor examples. ...Would you go to a relationship counsellor who was never in a relationship?
Male ob/gyn's never experience the condition they monitor and offer advice on, don't they? And this is a poor example, then again... why?
the job of divorce lawyers is to offer legal services, something they are indeed very experienced in.
which is exactly my point: priests are experienced in offering pastoral counseling/services, which is something they are indeed very experienced in. Thanks for proving my point.
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If you really think that any sort of schooling can teach someone about relationships the same way schooling can teach a doctor medicine, or a lawyer the law, then you are delusional beyond hope.
The jokes just write themselves, don't they? (Score:3, Insightful)
Really? (Score:3, Informative)
I thought AOL was supposed to be more popular with the pedobear crowd.
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Are they priests? If so, then yes I would. Mostly out of a desire to see people like you squirm. Nobody is above ridicule, get used to it.
And newsflash: not everyone who criticises the catholic church is an atheist.
Wonderful (Score:3, Funny)
That sounds like a good idea. We know there aren't any perverts on Facebook.
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Particularly now. :P
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The Facebook page attracted more than 1,200 fans in one week.
Fans != applicants ... unless FB has changed the meaning of "like" yet again ;-)
Sex offenders banned? (Score:2, Insightful)
Sometimes, the snarks just write themselves (Score:3, Funny)
Come on, guys, at least try to come up with something a little harder to shoot arrows at.
Take note, Facebook (Score:2)
you really should add a Pedo Panic button as soon as possible!
A better, more old fashioned solution (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps they should actively seek to inspire people rather than trying to protect and defend themselves. There may have been a time when their church was above and beyond criticism, but those days are long gone. They need to accept this fact and focus on the positive rather than the negative. Furthermore, they need to look within themselves and to blame themselves for the current public opinion of their church. (In other words, instead of blaming the victims for speaking out, blame the people who did the victimizing!)
Then, after all that, do good works... LOTS of good works. That used to work in the past. These days, one rarely hears much about the good works of the church...
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I don't think they can easily combat underlying circumstances. See, France and generally (though not as a whole...) Europe has changed, it's waking up. Secularization has progressed quite a lot; I wouldn't be surpised if, by the time of next Eurobarometer polls regarding faith, less than 50% of Europeans will declare themselves religious. It wasn't that far the last time...
Priesthood, being a priest simply lost its social prestige. It's not "cool" (and this FB campaign likely won't change that...even if the
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Dwindling in importance? Are you certain? EU is considered quite readily as one of the most major powers lately, culturally it retains its identity fine (plus look past popculture; and also from where most of that popculture originated...); and demographically it won't be that big of a problem, I suspect - yes, it will need a wave of immigrants...so? Sure, there are failure stories, but also huge success stories (the largest population of "Muslims" in EU is probably in Germany; rather nicely integrated)
As f
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Same can be said about Texas, or Confederate vs. Union States.
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That's why I wrote "the Church", not "a church" or "churches"...
Besides, how many major policies were introduced by young people in your church? Most faiths revolve around "the wisdom of ancestors", hence also "elders". Young people can do what they think is right as long as the "elders" won't protest on a whim.
Heck, what is the size of it in comparison to the Catholic Church? (doomed?)
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No, no, no.... Wrong approach... Allow women to be priests and make it mandatory to attend weekly orgies for clergy.
That would boast priesthood numbers for sure!
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As such, I believe homosexuals have always been overrepresented in the celibate castes.
That does seem to be the case, indeed. I have a buddy who, at one point, tried to become a catholic monk (not sure which order); he was eventually rejected from the monastery because of...mild (easily controlled) epilepsy; yes, those isntitutions are so archaic. But during his probation there it turned out not only that one of the ways of dealing with "hardships" of monastic life is quite rampant alcoholism (well, that might be a reason of rejecting epileptics, too...), but also that there's a way above ave
Re:A better, more old fashioned solution (Score:4, Informative)
The Catholic Church allows African priests to marry, did you know that?
It does not! If you think you have a reasonable argument, please provide a reference -- from a Church document -- showing that this is the case. Celibacy is the norm for all Catholic priests of the Latin rite. (Is it possible that you're asserting that one of the Eastern rites allows married priests?)
There is a logical connection between forced celibacy and abuse, but I am not aware of any statistical analysis having been done, nor of any correlation found between them.
Then there's no logical connection, just a conjecture in your mind, isn't there? Now, the place that there's a "logical connection", and lots of research, is sexual abuse of children within families. And you want priests to marry? Yeah, that'll help the problem all right -- replace one statistical group that's within the societal norm for sexual abuse and place it in the group at the statistically highest risk for sexual abuse of children...!
Why? (Score:2)
Why should the catholic church try to fix it self, when blaming others has worked so well.
Granted it may just cause disbelief in most if you blame it on the jews [salon.com] or homosexuality [nydailynews.com] in some, but far more will believe it, especially in developing countries, the only place the church is still growing. And no I am not going to say that this proofs only non-educated people believe in god. That would not be nice. It would be the truth, but not nice.
Oh and remember, the mafia isn't real, it is a plot by communism
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One reason religious groups do so well in very poor countries is that they are one of the few groups actually helping the poor. Their governments may not be able or willing to help so these groups fill that vacuum. Once people become more prosperous and their physical needs are already met all that is left are the people who are religious by nature which is a much smaller number.
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These days, one rarely hears much about the good works of the church...
Is that because the church is not doing good works or that they are not being reported? I'm not defending the wrong doing in any way but the headline, "Priest in Pedo Probe" will beat, "Church feeds millions... just like last year" every time.
Just allow priests to marry already. (Score:5, Insightful)
It will largely take care of the pedophile problem and the dwindling number willing to be priests in one shot.
Priests marrying wasn't disallowed all throughout church history anyway, it was political nonsense to do away with questions of inheritance.
Re:Just allow priests to marry already. (Score:4, Insightful)
The Catholic Church is the last (Christian) religious institution to have the "sacred dogma" marketability. It's a very large bullet point on their sales presentation slide. "We have been around the longest. We are full of mystical, intriguing quirks that lend to our legitimacy."
Once they start giving in to modern concepts (and giving up dogmas), they begin to lose that essence and have less to compete against other Christian sects with.
It's also a great source of pride, however depraved that may seem.
So, they need to change slowly. They don't want to seem like some willy nilly religion that makes arbitrary rules. THEIR rules are from God.
If they were to change in the midst of this pedophile scandal, it would seem as a reaction to the scandal and not edict from Heaven. That would lose credibility among followers, priests (who've had to be celibate all this time), and those potential followers looking in.
In other words, the writing's on the wall, but the situation is delicate.
Sacred dogma = Law of mortal men from dark times (Score:3, Funny)
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Once they start giving in to modern concepts
Jews got married long before the christian era.
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It's a very large bullet point on their sales presentation slide. "We have been around the longest. We are full of mystical, intriguing quirks that lend to our legitimacy."
Actually the Eastern Orthodox Church can trace a more direct lineage to the beginnings of Christianity than the Roman Catholic Church can.
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True, plus IIRC they get a bonus spell from either the Necromancy or Divination realm at level 5.
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The requirement that priests remain celibate certainly both reduces the number of potential priests and also dramatically increases the chance that people who do join the priesthood will have unhealthy sexuality.
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The requirement that priests remain celibate certainly both reduces the number of potential priests and also dramatically increases the chance that people who do join the priesthood will have unhealthy sexuality.
Would they be allowed to be in a same-sex marriage? That would really set the cat amongst the pigeons...
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Bad for the brand.
That would be like Coca Cola's CEO regularly being seen drinking Pepsi in public.
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Indeed.
Adult with normal Sexual Urges that he can not satify and let public know about it is pretty much guarantted to take advantage of someone weak.
Similary, consider good well behaved catholic boy that does not really want relationship and sex with (adult)/(woman). Priesthood is perfect escape route: No more social pressure on "marrying and getting kids", likely to have few likeminded people around, authority power and access to kids... shudder.
Just let normal people become priests instead of sexually fr
Goodluckwiththat (Score:2)
We're talking about a matter of doctrine here, not a matter of pragmatism. You're right that, from a pragmatic standpoint, it would largely just make more sense to allow priests to marry.
You're also right that the Roman Catholic church didn't always require priests to take the vow of celibacy. But, it became part of doctrine in the past, and now will be forever going forward.
The Church will stand by the position that you don't change doctrine because people don't like it. . . if someone wants to be a priest
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But, it became part of doctrine in the past, and now will be forever going forward.
Geocentricism forever!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentric_model [wikipedia.org]
Re:Goodluckwiththat (Score:5, Informative)
It's not a doctrine, it's an ecclesial law. Can be changed at a whim by one signature; wasn't even nearly a universal custom in the past (heck, around XIII century AFAI remember, when the Vatican envoy arrived in my area with the mission of sorting out actual introduction of celibacy...well, he did reasonably well in Czech; but in Poland he barely escaped with his life)
Not doctrine (Score:3, Informative)
It's NOT doctrine.
If someone wants to be a priest, bishop or other "top leader of a church" I suggest they look at this first:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy+3&version=NIV [biblegateway.com]
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%203&version=NKJV [biblegateway.com]
http://bible.cc/1_timothy/3-2.htm [bible.cc]
The requirements there for Bishops and Deacons don't mention celibacy anywhere. In fact they do even mention "husband of but one wife".
So there's above reproach, husband of but one wife, temperate, self c
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So there's above reproach, husband of but one wife, temperate, self controlled, good reputation with outsiders, etc.
So practicing polygamists/adulterers/fornicators/pedophiles/homosexuals do not meet that standard. Nor do drunkards.
It's a shame that those "standards" have never really been followed. I DID grow up Catholic. Baptism, communion, confirmation. I was even an alter boy. (And no I was never abused.)
Anyway, everyone knew that a large percentage of priests were gay, but it was never talked about. Instead, if a young boy preferred to play with dolls instead of toy guns, then the relatives would say "He's destined for the priesthood." No joke, fact.
I also went to Catholic high school, and one of the priests was regularly d
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A. I am not Catholic.
B. I agree with you but see A. so that doesn't matter all that much.
I asked a priest about that once. His response was.
"Your parish is your family. If you had a family of your own would have to suffer. Your personal family or your parish family."
I can see that point of view. I think it is not correct but I can at least understand where they are coming from.
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"Your coworkers are your family. If you also had a family of your own, one would have to suffer. Your personal family or your company family."
I think it is not correct but I can at least understand where they are coming from.
Corporate America?
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As long as they equate the clergy with the vows of monkhood (celibacy) they will constantly handicap themselves. There is no need for it and no strong defense for it. Maybe a crisis that brings the church low will force its hand but even the child molestation crisis doesn't seem to be enough.
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Good news, everyone! All you priests who want to marry women are free to do so!
[Shuffling of feet]
Er... anybody? Is anybody at all here attracted to adult women?
[Embarrassed coughs]
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Relgion was (or is, in places) the direct equivalent and predecessor of what you perceive as "political power"; nothing less (certainly still strives to not just be a tool)
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Their friends list revealed! (Score:3, Funny)
1200 fans (Score:2)
1,200 fans in a week is amazingly low for facebook.
Some very stupid useless pages can get millions of fans in a week.
A modern variation on an FBI sting (Score:5, Funny)
Bonjour, je m'appelle Chris Hanson.
Pourquoi n'avez-vous pas un siège de plus ici?
Huh? (Score:2)
Wait, I thought Facebook was nothing but a hangout for pedophil...Ohhhhhhh, I get it. Nevermind.
Church attractin young people? (Score:2)
Ob (Score:2)
Won't somebody think of the children?
Note to Journalists (Score:2)
Dear Journalists,
There are lies, damn lies, statistics and now facebook group sizes. All are meaningless but facebook groups are exceedingly meaningless. Although facebook might be the latest internet craze please get off your ass and do some real journalism. Please never quote how many people are in a facebook group again. I really don't care how many idiots clicked a viral marketing button because they have nothing better to do then drool over facebook updates all day at their computer/phone. The
We don't need any more priests!! (Score:2, Insightful)
Why do people still believe in Christianity? It is 2010. Must we propagate this insanity any further?
Cousin (Score:2)
My cousin is a 28 year old Catholic priest and has a podcast. From the sounds of it, his diocese is really enjoying the youthful exuberance he's bringing to the area. All of us were a little boggled about the path he chose, but it seems to be working out nicely for him.
Why facebook? (Score:2, Insightful)
Bad taste slashdot. (Score:5, Insightful)
This really falls in the So What List. The catholic church is looking for more priests whats new. So they are using Facebook as a tool. So what... A good for them.
Now this is just in bad taste for slashdot as it will only really be just a forum to make fun of problems that a religion is having.
This Ain't News for nerds, this isn't news for geeks, if you are not interested in joining the priesthood it doesn't even matter. You just wanted an other forum to make fun of catholics.
LFG (Score:2, Funny)
Their own bible condems them (Score:3, Interesting)
1 Timothy 4:1-5:
1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; 5 for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.
Note how it says forbidding to marry is a teaching inspired my demons. I mean, wow, don't they read their own book?
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Re:Their own bible condems them (Score:4, Informative)
I couldn't find a Jerusalem Bible online fast enough.
Here it is:
1 The Spirit has explicitly said that during the last times some will desert the faith and pay attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines that come from devils,
2 seduced by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are branded as though with a red-hot iron:
3 they forbid marriage and prohibit foods which God created to be accepted with thanksgiving by all who believe and who know the truth.
4 Everything God has created is good, and no food is to be rejected, provided it is received with thanksgiving:
5 the word of God and prayer make it holy.
Here is the New American:
1 Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the last times some will turn away from the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and demonic instructions
2 through the hypocrisy of liars with branded consciences.
3 They forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected when received with thanksgiving,
5 for it is made holy by the invocation of God in prayer.
Here is the Douay:
1 Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils,
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared,
3 Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be rejected that is received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Anything else you care to complain about?
Sorry, but I can't resist... (Score:2)
So how have they set in up? Once some guy has tried to "Friend" more than 100 tween boys he's never met before, does the Catholic Church automatically send him a pre-approved application form for entry into the priesthood?
Credit card companies have something like that set up for people with bad credit, so it seems like a good way for the church to save time it might waste rejecting all the women and married men who might want to be priests.
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Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Proof please? (Score:5, Insightful)
Not the schools, but the teacher unions do.
Last I checked teacher's unions don't have a lot of pull in the district attorney's office.
While false accusations are a real problem, I'm pretty sure I've never heard of a case of a teacher's union covering for a real sexual abuse case. Care to link to some actual proof for your assertion?
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Care to link to some actual proof for your assertion?
No, I'd prefer to link to some spurious claims and hearsay, but I'm having a hard time googling some. ;)
But if you insist: http://bigjournalism.com/jhudnall/2010/02/09/teachers-unions-the-child-molesters-best-friend/ [bigjournalism.com] which liinks to http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/head_of_the_crass_qWrc4xPXr5UxSo8Npym2vO#ixzz0eseQIbrX [nypost.com]
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The teachers union did not defend him.
"The current system works for no one," United Federation of Teachers President Michael Mulgrew said, adding that the union "has made repeated attempts to work with the administration to resolve the rubber-room issue, but the administration has preferred to grandstand rather than solve it."
Perhaps you should read the articles you quote to the end???
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Last I checked Catholic Church also supposedly didn't have a lot of pull in the attorney's offices throghout the world...
Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (Score:5, Insightful)
Also wrong. The biggest threat to children are parents (or generally close family and "friends"). As with most of serious crime BTW...
Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (Score:5, Insightful)
In a word: Bullshit.
The biggest threat to kids is family, and family friends. Those statistics make all others look small.
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The reality is that a child is far more likely to be molested by a family member or someone else they know then by priests, teachers, Boy Scout troop leaders, etc.
I'm not defending the Church's actions. They need to be punished and made to pay so severely that they never again put their own interests above the people they claim to be guiding and protecting. But the fact is that like everything else to do with the "for the children" kneejerkism of the modern age, it's as much hype and fear mongering as any
Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (Score:5, Insightful)
Mod +5 funny. Or +5 naive. I'd love to think that there is some religion or non-religion that consistently makes people better people
But centuries of data shows otherwise.
Utimately, it comes down to individuals and their individual choices. I've known very good Chrisitans and very evil ones. I've known very good Atheists and ones who I certainly wouldn't trust my kids with.
The bottom line is that you need to judge people individually and not collectively
Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (Score:5, Insightful)
In my experience any man who claims to have a more direct line to god (or the supernatural) than you should be avoided at any cost. I'm certain that if there would be no religious leaders there would be almost no problems with religion...
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I'm thinking that you aren't getting how statistics works. Atheists on average are less likely to rape than the religious. rape along with a whole slew of other things... violent crime, divorce....
"The bottom line is that you need to judge people individually and not collectively"
I was talking about a
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The ancient Greeks and Romans would often do what we would consider rape their slaves, sisters, children. There was no "sense of regret" because... it wasn't considered as big of a wrong. They weren't "hurting" anyone, it wa
Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (Score:4, Insightful)
If you seek consistency in your beliefs, try agnosticism.
Were I to care about other people's faith I would rather recommend apatheistic ignosticism. Since I don't, I recommend spending your time on improving your area's data on OpenStreetmap rather than meditating about the finer aspects of particular faiths. Religion has yet to do anything useful for the world at large, but OSM has aided me innumerable times in the few years since its inception.
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Alright, I'm an atheist! That means I can joke about it as much as I wish!
But I wont, because frankly it's just painful. But I'll give you some free advice (the worst kind, I know): if the best you can say to defend your own religion is that all other religions are just as bad or worse but have somehow managed to keep a lid on it... then maybe it's time to look for a new religion, or, and I say this from experience, to let go of them altogether.
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I would refrain from pedophile jokes because frankly it is not funny.
Speaking as a Christian, the Catholic church should be very embarassed right now. Individual priests doing evil is not shocking. It is the systematic coverup and empowerment from THE TOP LEVELS that is shocking.
If the Catholic church were a corporation, it would be sued out of business. As a sovereign nation, it should be excluded from the internation scene until it holds itself accountable and make reparations.
Will that happen? Of course
Anything can be funny (Score:2)
I would refrain from pedophile jokes because frankly it is not funny.
Anything can be funny under the right circumstances. If you think otherwise you are taking life far too seriously.
The biggest threat to Christianity is not atheists. It is Christians.
I would have said it's logic but no one ever accused Christians of that...
(if you are tempted to mod this troll or flamebait see above)
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Some percentage of priests are going to be pedophiles, inevitably, because some percentage of adult males are. However, that doesn't mean that you deliberately conceal them from law enforcement as p
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Forgiveness is one thing, and not every accusation is factual. But once accused, I woul
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Unless you are prepared to explain why your religion probably has a higher (but less publicized) level of sexual abuse.
Most other religions probably have a lower level of sexual abuse because they allow ordained clergy to have sex with other adults. After all, it's the very first commandment in the Torah: Be fruitful and multiply.
Re:Please refrain from pedophile jokes... (Score:4, Insightful)
And even then, to be fair, back in the 1970's and before, there weren't mandatory reporting laws for sexual abuse. Society in general has become more aware of the problems; the Church really wasn't out of step with the prevailing attitudes.
(Of course, what does that say about their claims to be moral leaders?)
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I say fuck religion, especially Christianity. ESPECIALLY when it's French Christians.
Welp, just the response I expected...
I live in my mom's basement, but I'm 16.
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fuck religion [...] I'm 16.
Careful with what you wish. You're a bit too old, but a priest could get confused.
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It seems anti-Catholicism is the last acceptable prejudice.
This alone shows that you're living in a box. If you think that this is true, why don't you take a look outside your insular world? There are plenty of people all over the world "poking fun at Jews" and quite a number of other groups as well. I don't see any reason why Catholicism should get a pass for moral failing, and in fact I think they deserve more ridicule for having moral failings because they claim the moral high ground so often.
The way ye are going on, you'd think the great Utopia that is secular society (you know, the one that you slashdotters subscribe to and pay taxes towards) had never produced a paedophile or a cover-upping bureaucrat.
This is the price paid when a group who claims a monopoly on mora
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Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to school that illiterate prat. You were a lot more polite about it that I'd have been.