Girls Bugged Teachers' Staff Room 227
A pair of enterprising Swedish schoolgirls ended up in court after they were caught bugging their teachers break room. The duo hoped they would hear discussions about upcoming tests and school work, allowing them to get better grades. It worked until one of them decided to brag about it on Facebook, and the authorities were called in. The girls were charged with trespassing and fined 2,000 kronor ($270) each in Stockholm District Court.
Reversed Rolls (Score:2, Interesting)
Typically, I thought it was teachers bugging the Swedish "schoolgrils'" lock rooms or something. At least, that's what all those "feminist sexual exploration" films made it seem like...
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How is a young nerd supposed to learn what boobies look like?
I understand young nerds now have access to this 'webernets' thing, which supposedly has boobie pictures.
At least, that's what I've been told.
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Yeah but you don't get that "three-dimensional" feel you'd have in an actual coed shower.
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That just mean you have not yet reached the level 3D TV
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How many teen films are you seeing this with? Only time I recall seeing that theme is in Starship Troopers, which isn't exactly supposed to reflect modern society.
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Watch "Porkey's" or other, similar films where peeping is an integral plot device.
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The second-to-last Eureka episode on Skiffy Channel. It used to be rare, but the "coed shower" shtick is pretty common now.
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Bar in germany in 1989....
Men and women used the same bathroom.. It had 4 stalls and it was the only bathroom in the place so both sexes used it without problems.
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Anyone could peek over or under the doors or even just pull open the shower curtain if they wanted to.
Only a geek would speak of that situation as a precious opportunity . . .
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>>>My dorm had coed bathrooms. There were multiple shower stalls and, depending on the actual dorm, each shower stall had a door
So you're supposed to get dressed and undressed inside the stall? Where do you hang the clothes without them getting wet? In every dorm I've ever visited you get naked in view of every one, hang or lay the clothes in a dry spot, and THEN enter the stall. Is that what you did in your coed dorm? Hmmmm. Your story sounds mysterious.
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don't.. (Score:5, Funny)
strong words in the staff room
the accusations fly!
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Those girls will really feel the Sting of their actions once the Police get involved.
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OK. This entire story is over now, thanks to this thread.
+1.
Isn't the first rule of Fight Club... (Score:3, Insightful)
... never talk about fight club?
Yet another case of someone not understanding that when you put something up there on the web... Everyone can see it.
Nothing to see here... move along.
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Really, it's just a modern iteration of the idea that if you commit a crime, don't f'ing talk about it!
People have been boning that one since the Code of Hammurabi.
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Yep.
We didn't start bragging about nicking the tests a few days in advance until we were long out of school....
sold! (Score:5, Funny)
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You had me at "a pair".
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To whom is this message directed?
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Wooosh
Creative Cheating (Score:3, Insightful)
The method was clever, and the girls are smart enough to use bugging technology, but stupid enough to not actually apply their knowledge and learn something. I hope the court system teaches them a lesson that they won't forget, because a slap on the wrist (tiny fine) just isn't going to cut it.
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For all we know they're 13 years old. Is it really worth it to really crack down on them or can we assume that both having to appear in court and the punishment their parents will apply on top of it are enough?
What do you propose? Hard time? Bigger fines?
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No, they could not be 13 as the age of criminal responsibility is 15. The school they went to (I found a Swedish article) had grades 1-9 = 7-16, so 15-16 year olds.
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Also, stupid enough to go bragging about it on Facebook.
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Re:Creative Cheating (Score:5, Funny)
I hope the court system teaches them a lesson that they won't forget, because a slap on the wrist (tiny fine) just isn't going to cut it.
Indeed, these swedish girls deserve a spanking!
Re:Creative Cheating (Score:5, Funny)
> Indeed, these swedish girls deserve a spanking!
I'll be in my bunk.
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smart enough to use technology, not mature enough to realize that teachers have lives outside of school and probably don't spend time hanging around talking about how to torture students with exams.
Re:Creative Cheating (Score:5, Insightful)
I used to be a high school teacher. You'd be amazed at how stupid the students think you are, and how amazed they are when they find out you have an actual life outside of school.
Also, they think you can't hear or see 3 feet beyond the teacher's desk.
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And they'd have to like it!
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... how amazed they are when they find out you have an actual life outside of school.
And with modern technology, the moment they see you, your precious moments will be recorded, shared and stored for eternity.
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Well, I can't speak much for the US but here in Norway almost all school teachers are public and you get very little reward for being good at it. So every year like clockwork there's an article about how low the intake requirements for teachers are, because most the bright people want to do something else. Personally I did end up taking one year together with people who would be math teachers before I got into the study I wanted and saw it first hand. And math is still one of the better subjects. Sure, you
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Also, because of the forced near slave relationship with our teachers (Do everything you are told, you must satisfy me and only my feelings matter. And the diametrically opposed student situation where you have no say in what happens in the classroom, your satisfaction is unimportant and how you feel about any subject matter is irrelevant now sit down and do your work.) predictably our only form of self-empowerment was trough passive aggressive acts.
You'd be amazed to know that none of the above has anythin
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That is generally the way of cheating. Unless you put a good amount of effort into cheating, in most cases, the faculty or graders will notice. They don't always do anything (it's always a hassle and administrations are often hostile to cheating cases), but they notice a lot more than students may think.
You can, of course, put a lot of effort into it and do a good job of cheating, but then... why not study?
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What did they think.... that the teachers would sit around discussing what questions they would include on the test, and maybe state the answers aloud? I've never hung out in a teacher's staff room, but I would imagine that if they talk about school matters at all (rather than who they liked on Swedish Idol last night, or whatever), they're complaining to each other about lousy students, bad working conditions, etc. These girls deserve to be left back because of how naive their plan was in the first place
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The most important rule when you do stupid crap like this is: you shut up about it.
But I guess that what school is for: they are learning their lesson.. the hard way.
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Absolutely. If they want to spy on people, they need to get their teaching credentials and get a job in the U.S. Then they'll have carte blanche.
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I get the exchange concept as well.
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$270 USD might be a small fine for us, but 2,000 kroner sounds like a lot (instead of it being 270 kroner = 270 USD it's nearly ten times that).
I don't mean to inflame (I really don't), but that's conceptually wrong. 2000 SEK is worth the equivalent of 270 USD... etc. Unless you where making a subtle joke about the mistake itself? *confused*
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or neither. I'm implying that the exchange rate isn't 1-to-1, but instead nearly ten-to-one (ten kroner to one dollar).
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We should really not tell him about the Zimbabwe dollars, he may be inclined to convert, he'd be a tillionaire.
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and how many folks in Zimbabwe have even a tenth of that?
Re:Creative Cheating (Score:4, Funny)
What the hell are you talking about?
Do you not comprehend how currency works, at all?
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The exchange rate between the top currency in the US (the dollar) and the top currency in Sweden (the kroner) is nearly 10-to-1, that's all I was trying to point out. Some people were saying it's an outrageous fine, but once you convert it into USD, it doesn't seem that much (still a weeks wage for folks working at Wal*Mart though)
discussions about upcoming tests (Score:2)
discussions about upcoming tests and school work, [...] It worked
No it didn't. What they really learned was standard teacher gossip: which teachers were having affairs with other teachers, etc.
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This last usually revolves around a student, whose last name is never mentioned to maintain privacy (and usually not the full first name either), and requ
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Tests are never discussed in detail with the possible exception of English essays
Unless they were taking English for foreign language credit, the Swedish girls would have been very confused. ;)
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proof (Score:2)
Girls can't keep their traps shut.
Should this be called facebook-itis? (Score:3, Interesting)
Why is it that so many people don't seem to understand the concept of "Things You Don't Discuss In Public" anymore? Do they not think that the world wide web is public? The whole point of Facebook was supposed to be getting in touch with people and communicating with them, yet the way many people carry on, it's like they don't realize the whole world is able to look and see a permanent record of what they're doing.
The worst part is, this isn't even the stupidest braging I've ever seen done on facebook - one example I've seen was where one idiot was using lawsuits as a harrassment tool against someone they'd had a falling out with, and was constantly bragging on facebook about their next wonderful plan, and how "That idiot will never see this coming! There's no way they'll be ready for it!". Sadly, they had forgotten to un-friend the person they were suing, so their target received a steady stream of updates on what to expect next.
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Already done [failbook.com]
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"Thanks to you, I now have a new website that I'll spend hours wasting time on reading"
Glad to know I'm not alone.
You're Welcome!
Maybe the case will be dropped? (Score:5, Interesting)
Ya know..... the same way the case in Pennsylvania was dropped when the teachers were caught spying on the girls' bedrooms.
Psyche.
Spying == okay when it's a government employee. Some people are more equal than others.
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Nice anti government rant. Too bad the facts don't fit. Here's the report from the independent investigation. http://www.lmsd.org/documents/news/100503_ballard_spahr_report.pdf [lmsd.org] The FBI investigated the case and found there was not enough evidence to convict anyone of criminal charges. Are you claiming the FBI is in cahoots with the Lower Marion School District? Are you honestly saying the FBI will not prosecute low level government employees because the FBI feels it is the right of any government employee t
Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? (Score:4, Funny)
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OK, let's just have a look at that report, shall we?
"Activations" involving photographs on laptops issued to students were grouped into these categories:
"Stolen student laptops". AKA "playing cop and spying on people who probably stole laptops". 18,782 photographs, 17,258 screenshots. Probably no legal authority. If you or I had done it: probably given a pass because we were trying to identify a Bad Guy and legitimately had no idea where the machines were... however, it's also probably illegal. There
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Umm, yes?
I believe that if this case was, say, Best Buy, the FBI would have prosecuted with the exact same set of facts.
IF you think that is tin-foil had, i really will feel sorry for you.
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Wow. Okay, thanks for being honest.
Bush dropped the black panther case (Score:2)
HAhaha, the black panthers? Intimidating white voters? Was anyone scared away? No. Two big black guys standing outside a polling place may scare the piss out of you but that doesn't make what they were doing illegal.
Besides, it was the Bush DOJ [ajc.com] that dropped the case. Oopsie! That kinda blows your argument out of the water, now doesn't it, winger?
If you read the independent investigation I'd linked to, you would understand why your characterization of the case is ludicrous. Of course what was done was mora
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>>>Two big black guys standing outside a polling place
Two ARMED black guys, who were caught on video intimating voters. In one you see a white guy walk up, turn-away, and then mutter "I'm scared"
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>>>it was the Bush DOJ that dropped the case.
Since the case was only announced "dropped" two months ago, your statement is flat wrong.
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>>>they obtained consent when they loaned the computers.
This statement is as wrong as your previous statement. They obtained consent to MAINTAIN the c
No, really, Bush dropped case. It's a fact (Score:2)
Did you read my link? The Bush DOJ downgraded the case to a civil case because there was not enough evidence, before Obama was sworn in. That is an objective fact. You can dispute it, but the evidence it overwhelming, I mean, its a historical fact, just pretending it isn't won't make it go away.
I certainly think there was wrongdoing in the LMSD case. Personally, I think they should have been prosecuted, and I hope that they lose the civil case. But thinking the FBI is protecting some employee of a school di
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How could it affect their own efforts? They are the freaking FBI, not the Lower Marion School district. It's their job to spy, when given authorization. Prosecuting the LMSB could not in any way affect their ability to spy themselves. You really think the FBI is cool with just any old government employee spying? That's the FBI's turf!
Read the independent investigation. There was not enough evidence of wrongdoing to prosecute. The school district got consent from the parents when they lent out the computers.
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I don't think any sort of court ruling in this case could hurt the FBI's ability to spy. I think the history of the FBI going after people who do spy illegally proves this point.
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The expectation of any teache
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Girls... (Score:2)
Scooby Doo (Score:3, Funny)
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No, Facebook is becoming the Scooby gang. "And I would've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for me posting the details of my plan on that meddling Facebook!"
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Nah people are still the villains. FB just makes my job easier in catching them, since they give me all the evidence.
Public Performance (Score:3, Funny)
the human factor is the weakest link (Score:2)
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Human factor? It's usually the dog who rats me out. Damn dog can't keep his fool snout shut. Take last week, he comes out chewing on some new Manolo Blahniks slathered in caviar and the wife says, "Where did you get those? Are you guys running numbers again?" and the dog is like, "Haha, running numbers? That's so last week, we're running an Internet porn site now!" and I'm like "dog... shut up dog. Ixnay on the ornpay, dog" but he's a dog, all he hears is "dog blah blah blah dog blah blah." Damn dog.
The first rule of spy club (Score:3, Funny)
is dont talk about spy club
Unfair play (Score:3, Insightful)
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Back in my day ... (Score:5, Insightful)
..., the girls slept with teachers to get inside information about exams.
You kids stay off my lawn!
Re:Back in my day ... (Score:5, Funny)
A student comes to a young professor's office hours. She glances down the hall, closes his door, and kneels pleadingly. "I would do anything to pass this exam."
She leans closer to him, flips back her hair, gazes meaningfully into his eyes. "I mean," she whispers, "I would do anything."
He returns her gaze. "Anything?"
"Anything."
His voice turns to a whisper. "Would you... STUDY??"
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Here's waiting to hear about the retired teacher getting busted for sleeping with students 40 years ago.
I'm still waiting for her father to get busted for molesting her.
So it's ok... (Score:2)
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Probably referring to this [slashdot.org].
Brilliant! (Score:2)
I applaud both the girls' enterprising temerity, and the jusidical response to their "crime." Here in the states, they're just as likely to be called terrorists or sex offenders. Sweden again impresses with its enlightenment. Oh, except the whole Julian Assange thing. But aside from that...
Notice How They Didn't Get Jail Time (Score:2)
Notice how the girls were charged with trespassing (usually a misdemeanor) and fined? No jail time or apparently even suspension. While I hope it would be the same here, my guess is our "zero-tolerance" laws would have the child booted from school for the rest of the year and brought up on a felony charge of criminal trespassing and aggravated privacy violations.
Interesting to note that the article calls them a "pair of mischievous Swedish schoolgirls" and this from a Fox affiliate. When did we forget about
This is the reverse... (Score:2)
... of what the electrical engineering building had where I was an undergrad. The ventilation system had weird one-way acoustics that propagated sounds from one of the men's rest rooms into the faculty lounge. One prof who let me in on the secret said that they found out exactly what their student's thought about various faculty members as the mid-afternoon poker game got under way.... "*tinkle* Gawd I can hardly stay awake in old Higgins' class. Totally incoherent. *flush*"
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If they look like Veronica Mars and are amateurs, I would be more than willing to help make them professionals.