Teenager Tries To Hire Hitman Via Facebook 464
An anonymous reader writes "Hiring a hitman can cost a pretty penny these days. Why buy an ad in the classifieds section when you can simply use Facebook? Of course, you may end up having to face 11 to 22 years in prison, but that's worth the risk, right? That's what happened to 19-year-old Corey C. Adams of Pennsylvania. Last June, Adams' 20-year-old victim said after she left a party, he jumped into her car and raped her. She went to police. He went to Facebook. Specifically, his status update read: 'I got 500 on a girls head who wants that bread? Hit me up anyway possible.'"
Anyone like it? (Score:3, Funny)
How many "likes" did his Facebook posts get?
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No, im serious . . . could it?
A Classic Story (Score:4, Interesting)
What a shitbag... (Score:5, Insightful)
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This is why I am a proponent of everybody studying martial arts. He raped her 'cause he's bigger and stronger. If you are going to go after someone who knows Judo or, god forbid, Silat, you're going to get hurt. You might WIN (if they don't study Pentjak Silat-- sorry but those people kill first, ask questions later), and rape them, but you are going to get hurt. If you intend to take this out too far, expect to have a lot of angry friends show up at your house to talk about the cast (or body); and that
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Learning Martial Arts is prohibitively time consuming and still doesn't help you if you're surprised or inebriated in any way. You'd only get rid of a fraction of the rape cases at best.(As most rape cases are not assault cases against sober victims)
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They actually make that, though it's marketed to women in Africa where rape is much larger problem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-rape_device#Rape-aXe [wikipedia.org]
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Next on the market, a helmet, resembling a small motorcycle helmet complete with chin strap, for your second head...
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Should work well against men with POOR IMPULSE CONTROL
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not leaving a party by yourself is the much more obvious step
Just where the fuck do you live that it's acceptable that someone can't leave a party alone?
Don't misunderstand, if a woman's leaving a party late at night I'll check that she's able to get home safely. Telling me she's getting into her car outside and driving home would however qualify.
Having a 20yo tell me he'll escort her to the car would negate any doubts at all. I'm clearly naive, I wouldn't then expect him to force his way into her car and rape her.
A stun gun, pepper spray, or knife probably would have been a more sane approach
All more likely to be used against the woman than by
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A stun gun, pepper spray, or knife probably would have been a more sane approach
All more likely to be used against the woman than by her on a rapist.
*citation needed*
The whole "your weapon is more likely to be used against you" has been trotted out countless times and never once proven or even supported by a modicum of evidence from even a remotely respectable source.
In reality, a number of studies have been done on the topic and all have shown precisely the opposite of what you claim. Research has in fact shown that in cases of rape and attempted rape, victims who resisted with weapons were less likely to be raped than victims who either did not
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What does though is to reach up and grab ahold of an ear and simply pull down or foreward quickly. the human ear detaches from the head very easily.
Your rapist will freak out pretty bad when you rip his fucking ears off. plus it makes identification easier.... "he is the one without ears."
Re:What a shitbag... (Score:4, Insightful)
The problem would be that you don't know /how/ he would freak out, for all you know he might respond by beating you to death.
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Allow me to educate you (and myself, because I honestly don't know what applies to which US jurisdiction as there are so many) insofar as my knowledge stretches to New Mexico and the neighboring States. First, though, I will fr
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Prohibitively time consuming like learning to bounce a ball off a wall, playing "baseball" or "soccer" with minimal rules, and otherwise just taking "Physical Education" classes that don't actually teach a sportsman game or anything but instead just keep the kids busy for a while as a form of recreation? Oh, wait, that's school.
In my school, we spent an entire year where "phys ed" == "wrestling." I keep forgetting I have those moves in reserve if I need them; it just so happens that if I need to restra
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Odds are that you'll never be in a real fight, and if you ever are, those wrestling skills won't in the end help very much because real fighting and practice are quite different.
There's nothing wrong with practicing Martial Arts for recreational purposes or for fitness or whatever, but just like you probably won't end up a soccer champion just because you were taught soccer in Phys Ed you probably won't get much RL benefit from the MA classes either (beyond the exercise and fun).
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Odds are that you'll never be in a real fight, and if you ever are, those wrestling skills won't in the end help very much because real fighting and practice are quite different.
I dunno about that. I have a Judo background. I was punched in the nose. I then threw the person on the ground and quickly beat him into submission. I had a bloody nose and a black eye from the single punch he landed. He had a shattered hand (it flailed outward as he was thrown and landed on concrete) and a cracked rib.
Just playing around I've made people submit who easily had six inches and fifty pounds on me. Now keep in mind, I'm just a green belt and almost everything I used was learned as a white belt.
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I mean most people say "You've never been in a fight" or "you'll never be in a fight" like they somehow have god-like relevant experience, then either talk about how they've beaten people up at the bar (I have met these people, they went on to become marines, but they were wusses when I met them who basically figured "PUNCH A LOT AND HARD AND YOU WILL WIN" was a 100% perfect strategy) or just about how martial arts is ninja-shit for movies and real life relies 100% on muscles.
In other words, most people
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If you study martial arts seriously, you eventually internalize the moves and you don't *have* to think about them. They just happen. But it requires a serious effort -- you're not going to get to this point from a few gym classes.
When I was in high school I studied karate and jiu-jutsu very seriously for about 4 years, with a few years of casual training before that. One night I was completely drunk, barely able to stand, and someone punched me in the face with no warning -- apparently I said something to
Re:What a shitbag... (Score:5, Funny)
As most rape cases are not assault cases against sober victims
If Jackie Chan has taught me anything, being drunk gives you UNSTOPPABLE kung fu powers.
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Because only people with good intentions learn martial arts.
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"Though the stranger rape remains entrenched as the paradigm of âoerealâ rape, of rape that is recognized as such, it is not actually the norm." [feministe.us]
Re:What a shitbag... (Score:5, Insightful)
This post (though raising some interesting points) highlights some common misconceptions about martial arts. Martial arts (and fighting in general) are not magical. Just because you have "studied" some martial arts - fighting styles, techniques, conditioning, whatever - does not mean you will be equipped to defend yourself in a real-life scenario. Martial arts training is especially weak in situations where the victim has an extreme disadvantage, and when life is on the line. Most martial arts (including Judo, mentioned above) are primarily only valid in sport situations, where ground rules are laid out and the combatants know (at least roughly) what the other person is capable of doing/allowed to do.
If a 120 pound woman who has trained in some kind of standard martial arts (let's say jiu-jitsu and kickboxing) consistently for 10 years (a LONG TIME) is attacked by a 220 pound potential rapist who has no martial arts training outside of the occasional bar fight, my money is going on the rapist. Maybe she punches or kicks him in the face and leaves a bruise or knocks a few teeth out...and maybe he retaliates by beating her senseless with a few clumsy blows that she doesn't have the physical strength to block. Maybe she is able to break his arm, and maybe he retaliates by lifting her bodily and putting her head through a windshield. Maybe he catches her unawares and injures her so badly she is unable to put up any kind of effective defense. Maybe she is able to fight him off without being raped/killed/hospitalized, but I do not like her chances. Rapists are not known for fighting fair.
This is not to say that martial arts training is not good or useful. Martial arts training can be used to build confidence, make people aware of potential violence, help people remain calm in violent situations, and sometimes give people the tools that they do need to actually defend themselves - but it is definitely not some magical rape-prevention tactic.
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No, this is not how it works in the real world, hate to break it to you. I had this argument w/ a female friend recently. I was trying to get her to own a gun (since she lives alone in a dubious neighborhood and is sort of clueless about watching her ass), but she claimed her dog and knowledge of martial arts was enough to handle any situation. So the last time she had her dog (which is about 90 lbs. or so) over at my place, even w/ advance warning (which someone wouldn't have in the real world), and me ho
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and I've met very few people that have martial arts training that also have the proper attitude (that aren't ex-military or ex-cons; I'm both).
I'm the opposite case. No martial arts training until recently, tiny guy, and fighting me has always been a losing battle. I've never actually believed anyone could beat me in a fight and whenever I got jumped in school (immature kids...), even if they're like twice my size or bigger, they lost. I mean I've been beaten... but I just didn't care; they hit me, they threw me into walls, and it never occurred to me that "oh shit, some huge fucking guy is kicking my ass!" The only thing that came to me is fi
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The dog didn't think you were a threat, you dumb shit.
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> This is why I am a proponent of everybody studying martial arts. He raped her 'cause he's bigger and stronger.
Not that I disagree with you, but there are a few points to consider:
1. How long have you -actually- studied MA for?
Size MATTERS.
Aikido uses the momentum of the attacker against the attacker, IF you are able to pull the move off. If not, all that extra weight (and Strength) is going to hurt.
Not that knowing some Judo wouldn't hurt; I agree knowing SOME MA would help. The question is, can a p
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The fact that you WILL get hurt going in? Are YOU personally more likely to attack a human or a rabbit? Most people won't grab a wild rabbit or a squirrel because it will bite them; I'm pretty sure the squirrel would lose that fight.
Note that this particular argument was in the isolated case: it's you and them, and nobody else around. At a party if one person gets violent, everybody backs off; but if everybody is some sort of freaking ninja, and one person gets violent, everybody goes ninja on their as
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Firearms are nigh on useless in closed quarter situations. Firearms are almost entirely useless if you are not trained to use a firearm (there's a thing called "firearms self defense," a thing you should go participate in if you ever buy a firearm for self defense, lest you find that you're a helpless idiot with a gun). If the tip of the firearm ends up pointed at you, you are in danger of dying (if you lose control of a knife, you can still get cut up a lot in the struggle and just be annoyed that you ha
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See now you're essentially assuming she's trained to use her mace in the same way as someone who's trained to use their firearm/knife/katana effectively. And now we're back where we started: dumb people with no weapon/gun/mace vs smart people who have trained to use whatever weapon they're carrying (including fists). Even some basic knife theory 2 days a week for a few months (never mind a year or two) with a concealed P3 tactical folder in a leather sheath tucked under her belt would make her relatively
Re:What a shitbag... (Score:4, Funny)
Or you could a gun.
But what if you accidentally the whole thing?
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It's not exactly an issue with "better," especially when discussing self-defense. Silat is, however, rather violent. I've had entire nights when I've learned nothing generally useful because the holds and locks are ... faulty. Difficult. Complex. The position I get in is somewhat useful, but really it's "drop this way and his arm breaks" "Lean here and shatter the knee" "over, down, move your leg here and the back of his skull smashes against your knee" and so on. All fatal or permanently maiming.
Status update? (Score:2)
Now I've never used Facebook, so maybe I'm missing something ... but status update? Are there many assassins scouring random Facebook profiles for job statuses, or did this guy hope one of his friends would do this?
Wouldn't Twitter be better for this?
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Hey, times are tough and you have to find work wherever you can.
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You're right, Ebay would make more sense. The hitmen could offer their services to the highest bidder. Gives sniping a whole new meaning.
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What a moron (Score:2)
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$500 is well below the going rate for killing the key witness in a felony trial. Maybe he would have gotten a more positive response if he hadn't been such a cheapskate.
I don't think there IS a positive response for this.
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Sure there is. Rapist pops off, I answer...w/ a .45ACP. I think that's highly appropriate.
Why the fuck is this on Slashdot? (Score:4, Insightful)
Because a rapist used Facebook, it's news for computer geeks? I'm actually kind of offended.
Re:Why the fuck is this on Slashdot? (Score:5, Funny)
Clearly it's just part of the plan to get more eyeballs on that ad.
So do you need the 500 or not?!
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Ad? What is this 'ad' you speak of?
Hmmm ... maybe I need to disable AdBlock Plus so I can better understand these strange words.
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It was the top story on slashdot.org when I posted. But I'm sure that's my fault somehow, right?
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Whenever I see a comment like this, I can't help but think it's been copy and pasted by the original guy it was intended for..
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It takes a village to raise an idiot, you know.
Re:Why the fuck is this on Slashdot? (Score:5, Funny)
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More like if you took a Biology major and they started teaching you how to tie your shoelaces.
I kind of agree with the guy. The reason I don't look at "normal" news and entertainment sites is that I'm fed up of hearing about every rape, murder, lying politician, etc.. I know these things are happening, and it's sad, but I don't need to be constantly reminded of them, especially when I can do almost exactly nothing to change the way the world is.
misleading headline (Score:5, Interesting)
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Normally it wouldn't, but the situation tends to change when you have an actual motive to kill someone.
Friends only probably wouldn't help as it has started to become common to subpoena facebook for evidence.
Re:misleading headline (Score:5, Informative)
TFA isn't that long, so I read it. The girl said she saw the posting, and told police that she feared for her life. The best bit is what happened next:
So the guy is even more of a douche. Let's see, post vague message on FB for a hit job. When police ask you to come down to the station (not arrest you and take you to the station, but you agree to meet them there) you post a followup that you really need this girl dead.
Yeah, dumb.
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Less than 10 minutes later, Adams posted a second Facebook message that said he âoeneeded this girl knocked off right nowâ Billie testified.
Probably just a typo, he meant he "needed this girl knocked up", that's why he tried to rape her.
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I'm not disputing that he is douche, but the posting right after he left the police station is just plain stupid. I assume the original posting came up during the interview, so it should have taken less than half of a second to realize that updating the death threat was a bad idea.
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"It sounds more like the usual passive aggressive comments shared between friends without realising that the police will take it completely seriously and charge you with it."
No comments like that ALWAYS can do that . only the really really stupid, or brain-dead think otherwise. What complete losers talk like that to friends?
Mug shot? (Score:3)
Did anyone notice that the pic of Emil Protalinski (the guy whose ZDNet article was linked in the OP) looks like it could be the mug shot of the criminal in question? Not a good pic...
Seriously? (Score:4, Insightful)
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No, more likely because after a cop visited him:
Less than 10 minutes later, Adams posted a second Facebook message that said he “needed this girl knocked off right now”
The first could be a joke, the second sounds like he's serious...
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I'm doubting this was the only evidence... but also consider that he basically confessed to rape and "trying hiring a hitman" during the plea process.
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How this mystery will unravel in the end (Score:2)
Specifically, his status update read: 'I got 500 on a girls head who wants that bread? Hit me up anyway possible.'"
Big Horny Inmate, in the shower room, with the meat pipe?
now he can get his face on Mug shot (Score:2)
now he can get his face on Mug shot
A hooker (Score:2)
Would have probably been cheaper than a $500 hitman and would have had fewer legal entanglements than sexual assault.
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Would have probably been cheaper than a $500 hitman and would have had fewer legal entanglements than sexual assault.
Rape isn't about sex.
A good lawyer should have no problem with this (Score:2)
A high school friend of mine got busted for drinking beer in his car, parked in a remote parking lot. His father knew a good lawyer. The trial lasted about five minutes. The lawyer presented the judge a copy of the law that my friend was charged with disobeying. The law stated that it was against drinking while driving. So the police officer obviously had made a mistake, and wrote down the wrong law when charging my friend. He told me later, "I got lucky!"
So I would not be surprised if a good lawyer
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Use the right tool... (Score:5, Funny)
Misunderstood (Score:3)
Maybe he just wanted to know if for $500 we would hit it?
Then the charge is just pimping.
Rules of the Road for Facebook (Score:2)
Kids these days, right?
I've got a few friends of friends who like posting pictures of themselves with huge bags of weed, bottles of pills, and on a few occasions, face down over a couple of lines of powder with straws up their noses. The accompanying comments are the real gems though, tagging their dealers, friends, and then the obligatory comment about how fucked up they were.
I want to say that these kids need to wise up and realize that what gets posted on the internet stays on the internet, but after som
Craig's List (Score:2)
The law about hiring a hitman (Score:5, Interesting)
If you exchange anything of value under the pretense of hiring a hitman, then you are guilty of consipiracy to commit murder. For all intents and purposes, the ability or even the intent of the person you "hire" is not relevant, nor is the amount of total value of the exchange. Just like robbing a bank with a gun counts even if the gun was fake/had no bullets/etc.
Merely saying "I wish someone would kill " is a weaker version of "I will give someone $500 to kill " - solicitation. This is where you get into a slipperly slope of how much that resembles an agreement. For instance, if a 9 year says "I will give you a trillion dollars to kill ", that is not very credible. But if a mafia godfather with a track record of hiring killers and rewarding them merely says "Person is annoying me", that might be sufficient.
The real trouble comes when you exchange something of value. I was working a case once where someone was in prison for conspiracy because they asked someone to kill their girlfriend. The "hitman" asked for $1500. The guy told him he was broke. The "hitman" said "yeah, I could do it for free but I would have to leave town." So the person gave him $15 for bus fare. That was enough to show a contract. It turned out his hitman was an undercover cop. Now the guy is serving 15 years.
So in Facebook, if you said "I will be your neighbor in farmville if you kill her", and someone accepts that gift, that would be the same as you paying some stranger $10k.
Amusing possibility... (Score:4, Funny)
I have occasionally wondered what would happen if someone posted a message like that, then when contacted by a "hitman" (which is almost certainly sure to be the police) the person turned around, called the FBI and said "I was joking around online, but somebody contacted me, and I think this guy is serious! He says he has done this before too!"
How much investigation do you think would go on before the local police and FBI realized that they were trying to sting each other?
Not that I would actually recommend anyone doing that but, given how freely some people joke or blow off steam online, I wouldn't be surprised if it has happened without even being intentional.
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Yep - it's called retaliation, it's a felony, and it's the easiest thing in the world to get convicted of. Seriously. If you get into a domestic dispute and come back (after you get out of jail...it's generally 1-3 days for a misdemeanor "assault by threat" [which is what you get arrested for when the cops show up, no one is hurt, and they have to haul someone off by law - it doesn't matter if anyone's really done anything...the humorous part is that I've been arrested for it several times, so have various
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I imagine there are some out there who would kill the rapist pro bono .
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If that scenario is true he probably deserves a few years in prison for stupidity alone.
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Re:Or a guy just got owned (Score:4, Insightful)
Or alternately, it's exactly what she said happened. Her story is perfectly plausible, and her behavior afterwords totally consistent with being raped, and then freaking out because it appeared as though her rapist just threatened her life.
Although women are (rightly) encouraged to seek medical aid after being raped and get a rape kit, it's not at all uncommon for a woman who's just been raped to want to go home, take a shower, and do her best to forget the trauma of what just happened. And she might have gotten over it and not pressed charges, except that this moron then posted something up making it appear that he wanted her dead, at which point she very correctly went to the police.
She should have gone to an ER to get a rape kit right away. She should have gone to the police the next morning rather than 2 days later. But there's nothing in her story that remotely suggests she's lying. And frankly, that you would immediately assume that she's making this up in order to ruin this guy's life is offensive to anyone who has or is a friend or relative of anyone who has been raped.
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Without physical evidence, it's just her word against his. Since I don't know either of these people, I'm disinclined to believe one over the other, and am willing to grant someone the benefit of the doubt that they are not a rapist (even if the person in question shows questionable judgment in other areas, like posting inappropriately on Facebook).
Women need to STOP destroying evidence of a rape. If you are raped, you suck up whatever feelings you have and GO TO THE HOSPITAL AND HAVE A RAPE KIT DONE. Yes,
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Problem being his posting of a SECOND request to kill her right after the police showed up and asked him to come talk with them. Without that, your version of events might be possibly believable.
RTFA before posting next time.
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Except that is not the order of events. The correct order is:
Girl gets drunk.
Guy rapes girl.
Guy offers money to have her knocked off of Facebook.
Girl goes to police for rape after finding out about the post from the rapist wanting her killed.
Police visit guy.
Guy reiterates assasination offer.
Police arrest guy.
The guy posted the $500 to kill before the girl went to the police about the rape. He knew he had raped her and was probably going to be arrested, tried and convicted - that's why he posted the offer
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Then again ... why did this story get in to Slashdot?
Because people think it is the Geek section of FARK?
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I'm feckless...oh, feck :(