Soldier Re-Grows Leg Muscle After Experimental Procedure 141
Marine Isaias Hernandez has been able to grow back most of the missing muscle from his leg, including skeletal muscle, thanks to an experimental treatment involving an injection of a a growth promoting substance extracted from pig bladders. Hernandez lost 70% of his right thigh muscles from a mortar exploded attack in Afghanistan. Normally this type of injury would lead to an amputation. From the article: "In preparation for the operation, corporal Hernandez was made to build up the remaining 30 per cent of muscle left on the damaged thigh. Surgeons then sliced into the thigh, placing a thin slice of a substance called extracellular matrix. The surgery is the result of a $70 million investment by the US military into regenerative medicine research."
$7 mil is nothing for corporate medical research (Score:3)
A corporation could have done it for $7 million of course they never would have because there is no money in it.
This procedure was medical research not regular medical care. $7 million is nothing for corporate medical research, a billion or more is spent researching a drug. Hundreds of millions are spent developing devices. Also once such a treatment becomes regular care it will probably be far less costly. I am not saying it may be easy to get, initially at least - in a century who knows, but I think you are not accurately representing the situation.
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Good luck finding an insurance provider to even help in covering treatment though...
Oh, and yeah, I doubt drug companies would have researched this. This is procedure, not pill. Fat chance of this being developed outside military medical research.
(snark, snark...)
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It was all snark. This would likely fall under "experimental procedure" or "under study" for a good 20-30 years. Penny-wise, pound-foolish.
Well, unless it was *drastically* cheaper...time will tell...
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A billion was spent researching a drug 20 years ago. Todays drugs are FAR closer to the 7 million mark. [ahrp.org]. It's been a rumor for a long time that drug research is amazingly expensive. It isn't.
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A link to the actual paper, with references....
http://www.pharmamyths.net/files/Biosocieties_2011_Myths_of_High_Drug_Research_Costs.pdf [pharmamyths.net]
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What's your point? that's not in the billions like the original comment.
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It's not to say that it's zero, but that it's a whole lot lower than claimed.
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My own company has developed what appears to be a cure for prostate cancer. We are proceeding with animal trials, but it will be many, MANY years before it hits the market, and many, MANY millions of dollars. Even with help from Armed Forces research funds.
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No, you don't. That is the point. Some drugs fail, but testing has become more efficient and so failures are less likely. So include all the old bullshit claims and you're not any closer to reality than the people who believe it costs billions for medical research.
If it costs billions, it's not being done right. Look at all the health benefits from vegetable based diets and shit which costs nothing to even research vs the millions we spend on diabetes medicine. etc etc.
The only reason drugs are so costly is
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I first read an article about body parts regenerated with dehydrated cell matrix made from pig bladders in 2008. Of course then it was only entire fingers, but still, the fact that anybody loses a body part permanently anymore is disgusting when we have this technology.
Also, corporations are far less
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...interested in finding a cure for attention deficit disorder.
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Kind of like how companies spend millions developing a new drugs: they're spending the money to learn how to make it. The actual finished product has to cost far, far less in order for anyone to
Re:a corporation could have done it for $7 million (Score:4, Funny)
In the 1970s they could have done it for $6 million, and gotten another leg, an arm, and an eye in the bargain. And they wouldn't have to sit around waiting for muscles to grow. It was on TV and everything.
nahhh (Score:3)
there was a huge problem wit the technology, every time you started running it looked like goddam 70s slow motion.
Also the noise was awful, sounded like an horrible little crescendo tune in a loop.
Too many defaults for the cost, we had to bin it 8p
The rest of the story (Score:1)
Not mentioned in the story is that he now has super-human jumping ability.
EVILDOERS BEWARE! (Score:2)
newtman?
crayfishman?
starfishman?...
honestly, axolotlman is the best of the bunch, it sounds cooler and it's just weirder.
Eats like pig (Score:2)
Ever since after the procedure, he eats a lot.
Some say he eats like a pig.
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He can also walk on the ceiling, just like spider-pig can.
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Not mentioned in the story is that he now has super-human jumping ability.
But only in one leg.
Why is this in Idle? (Score:5, Insightful)
Great, so the crap that should be in Idle makes it to one of the main sections, and this important story ends up in Idle. Great work guys, great work.
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Just write it off as a cover-up.
Decades of B-rate Sci-fi and comics tell us that by this time next month he's going to transform into a humanoid horn lizard wanting to take over the world, but will be stopped by the Amazing Daddy-Long-Legs. The "idle" is just the gov being genre savy to pre-emptively begin disavowing all knowledge.
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AFAIK the article is probably inaccurate and the pig bladder stuff is not a hormone.
http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/cells-tissues/extracellular-matrix.htm [howstuffworks.com]
Extracellular matrix is a component of body tissue that functions outside of the body's cells (thus the "extracellular" designation). It's made up mostly of collagen, a type of protein. So extracellular matrix extracted from the bladder of a pig does not actually have any of the pig's cells in it.
Tough Call (Score:2)
On one hand, the subject of the article is worthy of the front page. On the other hand, the only source covering it is the Daily Mail, whose reporting is usually about as accurate as hair salon gossip. I can't blame samzenpus for sticking it in Idle.
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Take a closer look at the bottom of that article:
[the Australian via Daily Mail]
PopSci doesn't have alternative coverage of the story, they just regurgitated the Daily Mail coverage. And given the timestamps, it is highly unlikely that they did any fact checking before posting. All the other coverage I have seen cite Daily Mail for their source. Strangely, the photos all credit the Associate Press, but searching the AP website doesn't return any results for Isaias Hernandez.
I don't understand (Score:1)
Why should nerds be concerned with regrowing muscles?
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Actually, Jake's trip to Pandora was to pay for this procedure (basically). Pandora was a mining facility (basically).
the key ingrediant (Score:1)
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Quick- (Score:5, Funny)
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House already tried this. Next comes the tumors!
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Nope... (Score:2)
House used an imaginary drug which he injected himself with - not an implant.
an implantable extracellular matrix that can re-grow tissue.
The matrix is a biological scaffold, enriched with proteins and growth factors, which recruits stem cells and other cell precursors to the site of the injury, according to the McGowan Instituteâ(TM)s website.
The therapy stimulates further tissue regeneration, essentially rebuilding the lost muscle.
extracted from pig bladders (Score:3)
Something here doesn't sound kosher to me...
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Yeah. It's a real pork project.
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Wouldn't be a slashdot article without a couple guys hamming it up.
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Something here doesn't sound kosher to me...
That's the best part, though -- it's the proteins in the ECM that make it work, apparently by attracting native stem cells, so the ECM is species-neutral. Got a problem with using a pig? Get it from a cow, or a human donor.
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true enough. The real hidden reason why jews don't eat pigs is because some ancient Jew discovered a horrendous hidden fact that is only known to cannibals. Humans taste like pig. So the next time you see a large person think mmm Bacon, smile and move on.
How Long? (Score:2)
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It sounds like he didn't have to regrow bone, it was just muscle. Perhaps if the bone was lost, it would have taken much more time.
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I was shocked to realize while I was watching that, that I probably could do it. If I had the skills and drive he did at that point.
It was mainly shocking because it's such a DUMB thing to do.
Oh well, fore-warned is fore-armed, as they say. Now I know I'm dumb enough to do that, so I can prepare ahead to prevent it.
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Slashdot.. (Score:2)
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Fark also sources it to the Daily Fail, and I suspect that's where the submitter got it. The Daily Fail (and others) got it from the Associated Press.
I'm not sure where the Associated Press got it; it likely came from one of their stringers.
No more House M.D.! (Score:2)
Damnit, no! This is going to mean they'll wrap up House M.D. :(
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That's okay, the show has fallen a long, long way, and spends more time creating drama plotlines than anything.
Going back to old episodes is so refreshing.
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My typical house viewing...
1) watch the setup.
fast forward through the credits.
2) watch the crew- see which character lines i'm interested in.
3) fast forward through the first bad diagnosis and the characters I'm not interesting in following.
4) fast foward through the second failed diagnosis.
5) Watch the "diagnosis moment".
6) Skip to the end.
I still like House. I LIKED Masters, the honest ethical redhead. Especially because she wasn't a glamour queen and also because her struggles were "real". Do you lie
still waiting for tooth regrowth (Score:2)
Still waiting for that ultrasonic tooth regrowth stuff they were successfully testing in the military years ago. Where is it?
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So what you're saying is... (Score:3, Funny)
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Nice (Score:1)
This story is pretty awesome. I wish we had more of these and fewer smartphone OS dead-horse-beating marathons.
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But the meat comes out so tender afterwards... and the horse-beaters do it all for free!
worst. article. ever. (Score:1)
being a lab scientist, that was painful to read. the explanation of the treatment is borderline gibberish. i've read better biology research reports by high school kids.
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Yes unfortunately that's par for the course with the Daily Mail, the UK's answer to Fox News.
If you search around their website in amongst the horseshit about celebrities and completely made-up articles about crazy new EU 'laws' you'd also find their ongoing effort to divide all inanimate objects in the world (especially foods) into those that either cause cancer or cure it.
I'll believe in miracle new treatments when there's a more credible source article.
And the moral of the story (Score:2)
Always make sure you are carrying a TV whenever you do repaid on your truck.
Sure it makes the work ever so slighly more difficult, but you never know when you'll need something to take the shrapnel.
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You are making a semantic argument that only makes sense to someone in the marines.
Soldier is a generic term that refers to someone in an army (army here is in the general meaning and not the US Army branch of the military). Marine would be a subset of that. Someone in the marines could be very accurately called a soldier. The only reason someone would object to conflating the terms would be if they were in the US marines and were overly sensitive to the rivalry with the US army.
To use your analogy it's mor
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I see your point and agree that either way it would have been more accurate.
It is possible that I may have been reacting to a perceived elitist attitude that it is obvious you don't have. I apologize.
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Soldier is a generic term that refers to someone in an army (army here is in the general meaning and not the US Army branch of the military).
So far so good...
Marine would be a subset of that.
Woops! Marines are a subset of a navy...not an army; They are the naval infantry.
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solÂdier
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â"noun
1. a person who serves in an army; a person engaged in military service.
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It is not customary for a member of the U.S. Marine Corps to use the title "soldier."
Some people may argue that "soldier" is a generic term that can be applied to any servicemember. However, in actual use, "soldier" specifically means a member of the Army. U.S. servicemembers are referred to as soldiers (USA), sailors (USN), airmen (USAF), or Marines (USMC). Calling a Marine a "soldier" is akin to calling a Senator a "Congressman" - using the term may be technically correct in a very narrow sense, but that'
More informative report (Score:2)
here [relativelyspeaking.net]
Stephen F. Badylak and J. Peter Rubin at Pitt are working with funding from the Defense Department to develop an implantable extracellular matrix that can re-grow tissue. The matrix is a biological scaffold, enriched with proteins and growth factors, which recruits stem cells and other cell precursors to the site of the injury, according to the McGowan Institute's website. The therapy stimulates further tissue regeneration, essentially rebuilding the lost muscle.
Marine not Soldier (Score:1)
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No kidding. I saw a Navy serviceman referred to as a "soldier" recently. They're sailors, damnit, even if they are on Seal Team Six.
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Just because you don't like it and use it as a way to disrespect your fellow servicemen doesn't mean we all have to follow your lead.
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Next thing you know... (Score:1)
Ah, the military... (Score:1)
Why is this idle? (Score:1)
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bunch of stuff about the Microsoft takeover of Skype
OK, someone needs to ask. How well would this technology work on airborne chair related injuries?
Not Entirely New (Score:2)
An expert comments (Score:5, Informative)
I am not well versed in regenerative biology, but my girlfriend happens to be getting her PhD in that field. I sent her this link for comment and here's what she said:
From article: "The wounded Marine's recovery is particularly exciting for scientists as it involves the regeneration of skeletal muscle which ordinarily does not grow back"
From any book in any regenerative scientist's library: "It has been known for more than a century that skeletal muscle, the most abundant tissue of the body, has the ability to regenerate new muscle fibers after it has been damaged by injury or as a consequence of diseases such as muscular dystrophy (1)"
(in this case the reference = Carlson BM. The regeneration of skeletal muscle. A review. Am J Anat. 1973;137(2):119–149. View this article via: PubMed CrossRef)
Annoying! Maybe he is on to something that really does help quicken the natural regeneration response or promotes better healing or something, but no one will ever know because there are no controls. He has no mouse controls... he obviously can't do human controls and people are just slapping this stuff on there because... "at least it doesn't hinder the response". (but he could be charging billions for a placebo!)
Oh well. Science is stupid. The media is even dumber.
In other words: Slashdot, please stop posting articles from the Daily Mail. Also, on background, I know the doctor mentioned in the article, Badylak, was kicked out of his group for poor research practices that included trial by media instead of peer review. This sort of publicity piece is his MO.
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Touch pad?
Medical Applications. (Score:1)
This has amazing possibilities for healing the disabled with certain disabilities I am sure of that, this is medical science at it`s best, with the soldier who otherwise would have an artificial leg, but he can regenerate the muscles in the damaged limb with implantation. This is what we need to help our injured soldiers from Iraq & Afghanistan. We should be able to help these people regenerate tissue instead of just chopping off the limb.
I already saw this episode! (Score:2)
Let's just hope he doesn't wind up in a bathtub trying to cut tumors out of his leg.
This is the part I like (Score:2)
He's a Marine, not a Soldier! (Score:1)
Old news (Score:1)
On a side note (Score:1)
Real stuff, it works (Score:1)
The article is just the tip of the iceberg... The military has used this material (ACell, made from pig bladders) successfully on multiple soldiers and recently on my retired Army spouse. The plastic surgery and wound care clinics at the NNMC in Bethesda are using this pixie dust with great results! It boosts the body's ability to heal and regenerate multiple tissue types, from skin to muscle, fat, etc. Good stuff. It'll become more widely available in civilian care as word gets out. The medical indust
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So is war useful as a motivating tool? Yes. Is it really sad that we can't convince ourselves to do a lot of these thi
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No, the $70 million is the research and the technology. It would be like saying Intel spent $2 billion on a new chip fabrication factory, and you're only looking at the first processor off the line and calling it a waste. This has much wider applications, and will be much cheaper on a per-treatment basis. You can't equate the research cost and the treatment cost.
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