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Sorority Files Lawsuit After Sacred Secrets Posted On Penny Arcade Forums 257

Limekiller42 writes: Lawyers for the Phi Sigma Sigma sorority have filed suit in Seattle's King County Superior Court against an unidentified person for "publicizing the sorority's secret handshake, robe colors and other practices." The well-written article is by Levi Pulkkinen of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and states that the sorority is seeking a restraining order and financial compensation for damages.
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Sorority Files Lawsuit After Sacred Secrets Posted On Penny Arcade Forums

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07, 2015 @05:22AM (#49636541)

    Those are not the secrets I would be interested in.

  • by silentcoder ( 1241496 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @05:22AM (#49636543)

    Pornhub for "secret practises" published there too ?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07, 2015 @05:23AM (#49636545)

    Seriously, who cares about a bunch of rich cunts and their little childish college games.

    Bunch of wankers, the lot of them. Immature, strutting nobends.

  • Sororities (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mwvdlee ( 775178 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @05:24AM (#49636547) Homepage

    Why do sororities even exist?
    They seem like an utterly retarded idea.

    • Re:Sororities (Score:5, Informative)

      by Neil Boekend ( 1854906 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @06:00AM (#49636627)

      They exist because most people need that feeling of belonging. Belonging to mankind doesn't seem to be enough. Belonging to a group is what people want.
      Now why there are silly things like handshakes and mandatory dress colors is beyond me.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by gweihir ( 88907 )

        What I do not get is how they keep dress colors secret. I mean you wear it and peoples can see the color. Maybe these are not "real" secrets, but just thing people pretend are secret?

      • Re:Sororities (Score:5, Informative)

        by mysidia ( 191772 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @06:54AM (#49636875)

        Now why there are silly things like handshakes and mandatory dress colors is beyond me.

        Sororities also attract people who want to create an air of an elitism a "clique", And people who want to create bureaucracy and control other people -- so they tend to form internal committees and have member ranks and have a bunch of jobs for "important people", make a bunch of arbitrary rules, and establish big fines for members who break rules or miss meetings.

        This also explains 'hazing' and elaborate initiation procedures.

      • by Hartree ( 191324 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @07:08AM (#49636985)

        "handshakes and mandatory dress colors "

        I know other groups that have hand signs and colors. They're called the Bloods and the Crips, among other names.

      • Belonging to a group is easier simply because individual liberty is too hard. Group Politics is much easier.

    • Re:Sororities (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Mostly a lurker ( 634878 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @06:01AM (#49636635)

      Why do sororities even exist?

      The tribal instinct remains strong. Human beings tend to feel more secure when they can form themselves into groups with whom they identify and that exclude those with whom they do not identify. The "secret rituals" are one of the key ways of reinforcing this feeling of being in a cohesive tribe, protected against intrusion from outside.

      Some fairly modern tribes, such as country clubs and gentlemen's clubs, are now legally constrained in their ability to exclude members they feel uncomfortable with. Criminal tribes, like the mafia and yakuza are typically particularly careful about the members they recruit, and have many rituals designed to inspire loyalty and the feeling of exclusivity.

      Regardless of type, the instinct we have to form ourselves into tribes remains, long after it outlasted its useful protective purpose in primitive societies.

      • Re:Sororities (Score:5, Interesting)

        by LaurenCates ( 3410445 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @06:16AM (#49636671)

        I'd argue that having a tribe is not necessarily a bad thing.

        I know that a good number of /. posters would disagree with this, but this is why I don't think religion is a terrible thing. If you have a group with which you identify, with which you share a common history and traditions and common points of view, it may not be useful anymore as a "protective" thing, but rather meets the simple need to be a part of something larger than oneself.

        I know this is purely anecdotal, but I don't have much of a family to speak of. Consequently, finding a church to belong to is somewhat comforting to me because I don't have that "tribal" feeling that comes from having a family. I imagine that it might be helpful to people in similar situations.

        This is ultimately why people, even with families, seek out "tribes" outside of their family, because of the need to "belong", not just show up and exist.

        • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

          by rudy_wayne ( 414635 )

          I'd argue that having a tribe is not necessarily a bad thing.

          I know that a good number of /. posters would disagree with this, but this is why I don't think religion is a terrible thing. If you have a group with which you identify, with which you share a common history and traditions and common points of view, it may not be useful anymore as a "protective" thing, but rather meets the simple need to be a part of something larger than oneself.

          And then eventually your tribe starts demanding that all the other tribes adhere to your tribe's "beliefs". Immediately followed by attacking and killing all the members of those tribes if they don't accept your tribe's beliefs as being THE ONE TRUE BELIEF®.

          In the history of mankind, there has never been a "tribe" or religion which HASN'T done this. Which is why all religion is evil (in addition to promoting fear, ignorance and general stupidity).

          • Re:Sororities (Score:5, Insightful)

            by LaurenCates ( 3410445 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @07:33AM (#49637133)

            No, you're talking about the extremists, who get the most attention because they're the loudest.

            Look a little closer into most any given group (there are certainly notable exceptions) and you'll find a bunch of normal people with perfectly normal human wants and needs that assumes the group in general is good, and will do good, or at least not actively bad, things if given the freedom to do so.

            The same group of normal people, however, really only understand the concept of "normal", so when you present them with something like extremism, they tend to keep their heads down because they neither understand how to fight the irrationality of the extremism in the first place, nor the irrationality coming from the outside that tends to condemn the entire group and want to avoid getting stigmatized for the actions of a few bad actors, nor even endure the eye-rolling or different levels of shaming (up to and including abuse) that others do when they try to straighten out the matter and try to express their viewpoint on the situation, which may be perfectly rational and reasonable, but a lot of people will reject outright simply because of those same bad actors in the first place.

            Another anecdote: I'm also a vegetarian. I don't advocate for it. I don't tell people they should. In fact, I actively tell people not to if they don't really "want" to, but think they "have" to (that's the right way to give yourself an eating disorder).

            Still, I've had to endure a lot of defensiveness from people who think that once that detail comes out, I'm going to start spouting whatever propaganda that the loudest and most obnoxious vegetarians/vegans feel compelled to spout.

            Do those people make vegetarianism bad? Of fucking course not. Are those people the majority of vegetarians? Absolutely fucking not. Most of us will leave you alone, even when you turn up your nose at us. We wish you wouldn't assume the worst of us, but we know it's coming.

            This is why broad-brush generalizations suck. And yes, that includes religions.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by argStyopa ( 232550 )

        "...Some fairly modern tribes, such as country clubs and gentlemen's clubs, are now legally constrained in their ability to exclude members they feel uncomfortable with. ..."
        Unless, of course, they are formed by/for 'protected' classes of individuals - then discrimination is perfectly acceptable.

        "...long after it outlasted its useful protective purpose ..."
        Nah, I'd still say that there is a distinct value to tribalism, it's just that value is perceived to be less by the modern cultural imperative toward alm

      • One of the reasons we feel so attached to these organizations is the hazing rituals. Once you've gone through that, you love something. Our parents generation went through quite a bit of abuse getting into various "tribes". Therefore, they have fond memories and pass on their enthusiasm somewhat to the next generation. Now that we've eliminated hazing, I imagine that participation will decline in a few generations.
    • Why do sororities even exist?

      It's called the rent-a-friend program. Ditto frats.

      • Re: Sororities (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Sororities and frats are nothing alike. I teach. We work with the Greek councils (the general one and the black one) to correlate their membership with our grades, and we compare the frats and sororities to find out which are trouble, and we compare them to the general population.

        The result? Sorority girls have higher GPAs than average, with few exceptions. Frat members have below average GPA.

        Sororities are highly structured support groups and in some ways are closer to a military unit in how they regulate

    • by HnT ( 306652 )

      Because girls have a right to be just as obnoxious, retarded, inebriated and dependent on peer pressure as "bros"...

    • Why do sororities even exist?
      They seem like an utterly retarded idea.

      Think of it like LARP for "normal" people.

  • by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @05:29AM (#49636557)
    There is no "damage" here aside from learning that this secret society is as ludicrous as all the rest. A fact that most people would know already.
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      True. But most state secrets and most military secrets are secrets because they are so stupid that it would be terribly embarrassing if they became public knowledge. (We screwed up badly? Classify it!) The same principle seems to apply here.

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  • by Overzeetop ( 214511 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @05:31AM (#49636561) Journal

    Wouldn't these be considered trade secrets and under the responsibility of the sorority to guard against disclosure? If the physical pieces are not trademarked, nor the written contents or acts copyrighted as a performance. Note that a quick Google shows they were founded in 1913, which would make all of their original text public domain.

    (Oh, and Streisand Effect, of course)

    • I think there would only be a case if someone signed a legally binding non-disclosure agreement prior to sharing the secrets that got published and then only against the person who signed the agreement (whether that be the publisher or someone else who leaked them). If no such agreement was signed then I don't think there's any recourse possible. Of course IANAL and this is just speculation.

      • by PAjamian ( 679137 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @05:45AM (#49636593)

        Note that according to TFA this seems to be exactly what they are claiming, that some "unidentified former member" "broke a contract". The referenced contract would likely be a NDA. The person being sued is this "unidentified former member".

        • by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @06:16AM (#49636677) Homepage

          Yeah, but is this a legally binding NDA ... or is it some sorority mumbo-jumbo which amounts to "I swear on the holy training bra, as a testament to the paddling of the swollen ass, that I am beholden to the sorority, ack ack a-dack".

          Maybe, just maybe, the oaths and rituals which take place in sororities and fraternities doesn't meed the legal threshold of a binding NDA?

          I'm sorry, but people are talking about trademarking secret handshakes, which sounds idiotic to someone who only ever saw the fraternity system in bad movies.

          So, just keep hearing Patrick Stewart saying "And now, the paddling of the swollen ass", and ask yourself ... does this crap merit legal protection?

        • by jabuzz ( 182671 )

          Given the sorority was founded in 1913, it is perfectly possible that a member wrote this information down decades ago and this has then passed down to someone who is not bound by any NDA and person who wrote it down is now dead. Good luck suing a dead person.

          It would also be tricky a member wrote this information down and then had it stolen from them, and the thief then published the information.

    • by gnasher719 ( 869701 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @06:52AM (#49636857)

      Wouldn't these be considered trade secrets and under the responsibility of the sorority to guard against disclosure?

      They are not trade secrets, because they are not involved in trade. It is a trade secret if you keep it secret, and the fact that you know it and others don't gives you an advantage in trade. For example, if you knew how to make nice burgers for 10 cent less than your competitor, that would give you an advantage as long as your competitor doesn't know about. it.

      But otherwise, just because you want to keep it secret doesn't mean it has legal protection.

    • by mysidia ( 191772 )

      Wouldn't these be considered trade secrets and under the responsibility of the sorority to guard against disclosure?

      It's only a trade secret if used to conduct a business. To have a case for an infringement of a trade secret, the plaintiff needs to be able to show damage with financial impact was done by the disclosure.

      Seems like there's a good chance the sorority lacks standing to sue on disclosure of such trivialities which are probably only secret for sentimental reasons.

      • by Andy_R ( 114137 )

        The letter to PA was sent on behalf of "Phi Sigma Sigma, Inc.", and there has to be some mechanism in place to pay for all those blue and gold* robes so they probably do count as a business.

        * Just a wild guess based on those being their official colours according to Wikipedia, the colours of their logo, and the colours of practically everything on their website... wouldn't it be funny if those really were the colours they claim are "secret"!

      • by cHALiTO ( 101461 ) <elchalo AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday May 07, 2015 @08:33AM (#49637637) Homepage

        Gee, I really hope these girls are not law students :P

  • Getting a judgment is another matter entirely.

    Of course with the right lawyer and the right jury

    http://articles.latimes.com/19... [latimes.com]

    You can get a million dollar award for a MRI destroying your psychic abilities.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by stephanruby ( 542433 )

      Getting a judgment is another matter entirely.
      Of course with the right lawyer and the right jury
      http://articles.latimes.com/19... [latimes.com]
      You can get a million dollar award for a MRI destroying your psychic abilities.

      Come on. This misinformation is 30 years old already. Why can't we let it die already?

      Contrary to popular belief, Haimes never claimed that a CAT scan had caused her to lose her psychic powers. In fact, the often alluded-to CAT scan never took place. Haimes only claimed that the headaches resulting from her allergic reaction prevented her from earning a living as a psychic.

      Citation: Galanter, Marc (1998). An Oil Strike in Hell: Contemporary Legends About the Civil Justice System. Arizona Law Review, (40 Ariz. L. Rev. 717).

      • Well then she needs to sue the La Times for libel

        http://articles.latimes.com/19... [latimes.com]

        http://articles.latimes.com/19... [latimes.com]

        http://articles.latimes.com/19... [latimes.com]

        Seeing as they reported that as the case in the initial filing, the initial verdict, and the appeal.

        "Katz (the appeals judge) found that the jury, which made the award after less than an hour of deliberation, had disregarded his instructions on the law".

        Or it could be you are wrong ?

        • Well, I know I'd believe a highly reputable source like the LA Times over schlock like the Arizona Law Review any day.

        • Thank you. You've just helped further prove my point. That extremely large monetary awards given by juries often get overridden on appeal, or never even get paid in the first place, which makes many of the myths we hear about extremely large judgements very misleading.

          Well then she needs to sue the La Times for libel

          Who cares? She didn't even work in LA or California. Plus, her income was already gone (or so she claimed). So it's not like she could prove any further losses as a result of the particular spin of the story.

          "Katz (the appeals judge) found that the jury, which made the award after less than an hour of deliberation, had disregarded his instructions on the law".

          And yes, that part is probably righ

      • by Ungrounded Lightning ( 62228 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @07:06AM (#49636967) Journal

        Come on. This misinformation is 30 years old already. Why can't we let it die already?

        Contrary to popular belief, Haimes never claimed that a CAT scan had caused her to lose her psychic powers. In fact, the often alluded-to CAT scan never took place. Haimes only claimed that the headaches resulting from her allergic reaction prevented her from earning a living as a psychic.

        On the other hand, I could see an MRI actually destroying a hypothetical human magnetic navigation sense.

          - A number of animals, including birds, are documented to have a magnetic sense they use in navigation.
          - Bacteria are known to migrate vertically using the earth's field to align them as "dipping needles" so their cilia drive them downward to lower-oxygen water.
          - The bacteria obtain their magnetic alignment by depositing crystals of magnetitie of a size that will hold no more than a single magnetic domain, and thus be automatically magetized. New crystals are deposited next to old, making them align in the same direction. The row of crystals is a strong enough magnet to align the bug like a compass needle. The row is normally split when the bug reproduces, so the two new bugs are both magnetized the same way, rather than one getting a 50/50 chance of swimming the wrong way. (No doubt the occasional offspring gets none and has to take the chance - which let the species survive magnetic reversal events.)
          -Some nerve cells in a number of animals contain such magnetite particles, leading to the speculation that these may be the basis for a magnetic sense.
          - Among such nerve types is on in the human nose, leading to the speculation that some humans may be able to "smell" magnetic fields (or have some magnetic sense in some OTHER group of neurons that ALSO produces the particles and that those in the nose are vestigial mis-triggering of the mechanism, or that an organism in their ancestry may once have had a magnetic sense, of which this is a vestigial remanent.)
          - (I have a small number of personal, anaecdotal, experiences that lead me to believe that I once had a magnetic sense that was input to my brain's location processing, but at a priority far below visual observation. These all occurred before I ever had an MRI.)
          - If some nerves do detect ambient magnetism by monitoring mechanical forces originating in magnetitie particles, the strong magnetic field of an MRI machine might be expected to disrupt this by modifying the magnetization of the particles, or by yanking on then so strongly they disrupt, or even kill, the nerves in question.

        So if humans DO have a magnetic sense of this form, it might actually be destroyed by exposure to, and especially testing in, an MRI machine.

    • by Holi ( 250190 )
      I am sure this had more to do with the settlement then any psychic powers.

      "an allergic reaction to a dye injected during the exam gave her severe, recurring headaches"
  • by TrentTheThief ( 118302 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @05:43AM (#49636585)
    ... they're ashamed and angered by everyone knowing that they made up a secret club and have secret meetings that any pack of 4th graders would be proud of. Seriously, ladies, now that the world knows, don't you feel kind of childish? Greeks: Providing a safety cuddle blanket for insecure high school grads for over two centuries
  • I'll guess that their colors are pink and black.
    Also isn't it a sexist to claim that some female released the information that was posted?
    • by mysidia ( 191772 )

      Also isn't it a sexist to claim that some female released the information that was posted? Reply to This

      It's a Sorority, so they would not have any male members allowed to know the information. Such is the way with these organizations.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07, 2015 @06:04AM (#49636645)

    Phi Sigma Sigma secrets are:

    Phi Sigma Sigma (PSS) secretly stands for Philanthropic Social Society. However, this is never written down or recorded (until now) because it is so "sacred". The Handshake consists of a series of motions. Member A first begins with the pointer finger and the thumb surrounding Member B's pointer finger and thumb. This is the "Phi". Then Member A wraps the remaining fingers, middle, ring and pinky around the hand as a symbol of the "Sigma". Depending on who is the senior member, the pinky finger is wrapped around the older member's hand. Next is the hand knock. It goes Knock. Pause. Knock. Pause. Knock, knock, knock. The meetings are set up usually with the President, VP and other officers sitting at the front. The President wears a yellow or gold robe and the officers wear royal blue robes. The remaining members sit across from the officers in a pyramid formation with the base closest to the officers and the apex farthest from the officers. Members are seated by class order, then by alphabetical order. The table at which the President and Vice President are seated consists of candles on each side. Two gold candles and one blue at each corner of the table. Members usually recite an oath, "We, the members of Phi Sigma Sigma, promise to keep secret and sacred all of our proceedings." The way to enter the pyramid is by using the hand knock to notify the members you are wanting to enter the room. The President will respond back with her gavel by repeating the knock. The person will enter then travel to the apex of the pyramid formation. The President will say the secret and sacred words "Remove the Veil" and then the member will respond back with the Chapter's name, example, "Zeta Eta." The Gold and King Blue symbolize "Perpetuity" and "Sincerity". At initiation, blue "veils" (tulle from the local fabric store) are placed on the heads of the potential new members and are later removed to symbolize some sort of occult transformation and that they are full-fledged members.

    • by j-beda ( 85386 )

      Phi Sigma Sigma secrets are:

      Phi Sigma Sigma (PSS) secretly stands for Philanthropic Social Society. However, this is never written down or recorded (until now) because it is so "sacred". The Handshake consists of a series of motions. Member A first begins ....

      Assuming that you can find the poster, and that the poster is in fact a PSS member who might possibly have some sort of obligation to keep the secrets, how would the complainants ever hope to establish that these were the actual secrets if they have never been documented? Wouldn't they need to have testomony from the people who shared the rituals with "Jane Doe", and wouldn't that testomony have to go into the public record during the trial?

      I suppose the judge might order the trail records sealed like is so

    • Now if we can just add in some "going clear" and alien-worship, we're all set!
  • Some other secret societies wouldn't have _sued_ such a person... Then again, a more decisive action would have probably not gone too well with 'philantropic' and 'social'...

  • by khr ( 708262 )

    It must've been from a video tape from some of those Lambda Lambda Lambda nerds!

  • Their secret knock (knock pause knock pause knock knock knock) is very likely to be the main rythme of some song...

    As such, it can be seen as a copyright violation of that song... And phi sigma sigma could be liable for damage to that song author...

    So, they try to get that hidden as fast as possible before some musician recognize his own property.

  • There is NOTHING "sacred" for any of that greek bullshit. It's all stupidity for the sake of stupidity.

  • by HnT ( 306652 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @07:42AM (#49637217)

    "
    Phi Sigma Sigma secrets are:
    Phi Sigma Sigma (PSS) secretly stands for Philanthropic Social Society. However, this is never written down or recorded (until now) because it is so "sacred". The Handshake consists of a series of motions. Member A first begins with the pointer finger and the thumb surrounding Member B's pointer finger and thumb. This is the "Phi". Then Member A wraps the remaining fingers, middle, ring and pinky around the hand as a symbol of the "Sigma". Depending on who is the senior member, the pinky finger is wrapped around the older member's hand. Next is the hand knock. It goes Knock. Pause. Knock. Pause. Knock, knock, knock. The meetings are set up usually with the President, VP and other officers sitting at the front. The President wears a yellow or gold robe and the officers wear royal blue robes. The remaining members sit across from the officers in a pyramid formation with the base closest to the officers and the apex farthest from the officers. Members are seated by class order, then by alphabetical order. The table at which the President and Vice President are seated consists of candles on each side. Two gold candles and one blue at each corner of the table. Members usually recite an oath, "We, the members of Phi Sigma Sigma, promise to keep secret and sacred all of our proceedings." The way to enter the pyramid is by using the hand knock to notify the members you are wanting to enter the room. The President will respond back with her gavel by repeating the knock. The person will enter then travel to the apex of the pyramid formation. The President will say the secret and sacred words "Remove the Veil" and then the member will respond back with the Chapter's name, example, "Zeta Eta." The Gold and King Blue symbolize "Perpetuity" and "Sincerity". At initiation, blue "veils" (tulle from the local fabric store) are placed on the heads of the potential new members and are later removed to symbolize some sort of occult transformation and that they are full-fledged members.
    "

  • then I would like to open a class action lawsuit against all Greek groups and their members for all their bullshit. I will be seeking eleventy trillion dollars in damages for general douchbaggery, massive nepotism, and because fuck them.
  • Schedule of events (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Stewie241 ( 1035724 ) on Thursday May 07, 2015 @08:34AM (#49637643)

    November 2011: Somebody posts anonymously on PennyArcade about Phi Sigma Sigma rituals
    Late 2012: Phi Sigma Sigma discovers the post about rituals
    2013: Nothing happened
    2014: Nothing happened
    2015: Phi Sigma Sigma attempts to file lawsuit

    So now, we have somebody who made a post to an online forum almost four years ago, under an account that has exactly one post, and has not been active since November 2011, faced with a potential lawsuit. That's assuming that there is enough data to actually identify who the member is. And assuming that the user who posted is actually a former member and not somebody else who learned about the 'sacred secrets' some other way.

    Considering it is a breach of contract suit, I'd be interested to see what the actual contract looks like.

  • So, they are going through scientology playbook, then? /shakes head

  • Please sue me too.

    Phi Sigma Sigma (PSS) secretly stands for Philanthropic Social Society. However, this is never written down or recorded (until now) because it is so "sacred". The Handshake consists of a series of motions. Member A first begins with the pointer finger and the thumb surrounding Member B's pointer finger and thumb. This is the "Phi". Then Member A wraps the remaining fingers, middle, ring and pinky around the hand as a symbol of the "Sigma". Depending on who is the senior member, the pinky f

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