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Terrifying Anti-Riot Vehicle Created To Quash Any Urban Disturbance (boingboing.net) 195

"Are you an urban police force thinking about how to control your fellow humans?" jokes Cory Doctorow. "Look no farther! Your pals at Bozena have an all-new RIOT system, a crowd-control killdozer for all your protest-suppressing needs!" He's one of several web commentators marveling at the marketing copy for a Slovakian company's new anti-riot machinery, also spotted by Slashdot reader drunkdrone. Some quotes from the BOZENA RIOT SYSTEM site about the device's features:
  • Easy attachable bulldozer blade.
  • The [6,600 pound] shield comes equipped with launching ports designed for use of guns or other rubber projectiles launchers.
  • The trailer is capable of displacing the water/foam or its mixtures (available additives: pepper or painting substances) under the high pressure into the distance of several dozen meters.
  • Communication with rioters through the loudspeakers.
  • Designed to control riots in streets and urbanized areas...intended predominantly for the special military and police units responsible for the CROWD CONTROL during the violent political/social demonstrations, against football hooligans, etc.

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Terrifying Anti-Riot Vehicle Created To Quash Any Urban Disturbance

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 26, 2017 @03:42AM (#54111489)

    I wondered when a one of our companies went into EOD machinery construction, but a look at the web page told me that it's Slovak not Slovenian :) We seem to do explosive ordnance clearing through fundraising and "manual labor" - http://www.itf-fund.si/.

    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      And they should give it the designation ED-209 [youtube.com].

      • Just looking at this, if someone falls in front of it, it'll run them over. That may fly in Slovakia but in the U.S. it would get the police department sued within an inch of their existence.

        • but in the U.S. it would get the police department sued within an inch of their existence.

          Was that meant to be sarcastic? Because it you were serious, you have not been reading the news.

          • by Hylandr ( 813770 )

            They would be sued for certain. But the Govt would pick up the tab, and business would go on as usual.

            • Re:The Fallen (Score:4, Informative)

              by ArmoredDragon ( 3450605 ) on Sunday March 26, 2017 @10:54PM (#54115947)

              They would be sued for certain. But the Govt would pick up the tab, and business would go on as usual.

              Officers inevitably get fired, and increasingly nobody wants to take their place.

              https://www.abqjournal.com/783... [abqjournal.com]

              And why would they? There seems to be an expectation these days that no matter how much a citizen harasses an officer, the officer shouldn't ever respond in a way that a typical person likely would respond. Thus, it would make sense that a typical person wouldn't want to become a police officer.

              • by nazsco ( 695026 ) on Sunday March 26, 2017 @11:18PM (#54116057) Journal

                good.

                if you think people in the position of enforcing law with force should be allowed to lose temper like any other drunk defending their supposed honor, i hope you are the very first to experience it.

                • That's fine with me, just don't complain when you don't get a timely response to incidents (or even no response at all) when your local precinct is undermanned.

                  And while we're at it, keep in mind that most of the time when the police are called, somebody is being belligerent, so as an officer you're inevitably going to develop the cynical mentality that the typical person is up to no good.

              • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

                Those manning that machine will get full battle dress and no useful identification combined with being part of a black force nobody will know of - like Area 51.

              • by Maritz ( 1829006 )
                If it's your job to act professionally and within the remit of the law, then fucking do so. Otherwise, go and do something else.
                • And that's exactly what's happening: All of the qualified people are doing something else. And as I mentioned to another poster, don't complain about a lack of timely responses to incidents if your local precinct is undermanned because you're holding officers to a standard that basically nobody can meet.

                  The only places where this isn't a problem is where the local populace aren't a bunch of assholes. Fortunately I live in a place with a low asshole population, so I don't have this problem, likewise I don't

        • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

          by SvnLyrBrto ( 62138 )

          Are you kidding? The police in the US regularly get their jollies gunning down unarmed citizens... not just adults mind you, but children as well; and the only "punishment" they receive is paid vacation (administrative leave) and *maybe* some negative media attention. Anything they can plausibly spin as an accident of any kind won't even be noticed.

          • They're going to need these, the story above is "US Workers Face A Higher Risk Of Being Replaced By Robots".

            Do enough of that replacing workers with robots and you'll need to buy some of these.

            Or you could make some robot police. That would work too.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          Have you ever been to Slovakia? I have. It's a nice place with mostly good people. I'm going to tell you right now, nothing like that would fly there. I can also guarantee that Slovak police don't beat people up without legitimate justification like American police do.

          I'm going to hazard a guess that you have never left the USA. That's what fuels your America-centric worldview where there is the USA and the entire surrounding world is a savage wasteland. Newsflash: Many other areas in the world are better t

          • You did read in the article where it mentioned that the machine was made and sold in Slovakia, did you not?

        • by MercTech ( 46455 )

          A vehicle mounted water cannon for non lethal riot suppression with an integral bullet shield to protect law enforcement officers and a flex seal at the bottom of the shield so that anyone on the ground cannot be carried under the vehicle..... only a total idiot would call this a "kiildozer: as it is visually obvious that this was designed from the beginning to be a non-lethal solution to major civil disturbance while protecting law enforcement.

          Don't bait the clueless; they tend to throw tantrums and throw

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 26, 2017 @03:48AM (#54111513)

    As if living in a police state wasn't enough... From the picture and video tabs:

    "You need to upgrade your Macromedia Flash Player! Get Macromedia Flash"

  • by Anonymous Coward

    This is right out of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_Room!_Make_Room!

  • by Anonymous Coward

    ... negotiating and listening to the protesters arguments just wipe them out. Nice move in a democracy. Or are these machine intended for exporting to already dictatorial regimes?

    And how will violent rioters respond, firearms and bulldozers jacked from work sites?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Abatis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abatis made from lampposts in Urban setting.

      Easy peasy.

      Cap: blackly

  • Hacked in 3, 2, 1 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by dwywit ( 1109409 ) on Sunday March 26, 2017 @05:42AM (#54111715)

    There's a good chance that this machine's software/interfaces will have....inadequate security. Someone, somewhere, will achieve control over it, and then when it turns on the thin blue line behind it, ostensibly waiting to "clean up" the now-subdued rioters, there will be some outrage from the police department/s who bought it, some swift spin from the manufacturer, and the units will either 1. be withdrawn, or 2. given a firmware upgrade, in which case, see above.

    At the very least, someone will be able to jam its communication, rendering it unresponsive.

  • by tacarat ( 696339 ) on Sunday March 26, 2017 @06:06AM (#54111765) Journal
    I don't see anywhere to scoop up rioters to take to the factory. Soylent Green won't make itself!
    • The Blade is canted to push everyone into the path of the Harvester. Which collects, grinds and processes the rioters into Soylent, which is then returned to the trailer of the dozer to be fed to the remaining rioters via the high-pressure cannon. Nothing dispels a riot quite like still-warm fresh Soylent.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    http://imgur.com/ibA8119

    It's basically a baby-blue enclosed forklift with a pump system, a water trailer, and a shield on the front. So terrifying.

    • by Jeremi ( 14640 )

      It's basically a baby-blue enclosed forklift with a pump system, a water trailer, and a shield on the front. So terrifying.

      It's not the implementation that makes it terrifying, it's the use case [youtube.com].

      • Kitchen knife use case #1: Kill insufficiently Muslim heathens working for the oppressive British Government! (this use case was seen just the other day)

        Kitchen knife use case #2: Make a sandwich. (this use case also seen just the other day)

        Maybe you don't have the problem. But, for example, a city here in our state has been known to have a problem with "protesters" deciding that they're going to fix the problems with the culture in their local neighborhood by smashing the few remaining businesses
        • Just keep in mind that the people who got together to destroy and smash and steal things, were probably put up to it be the very cops that are driving this thing around.
  • by nimbius ( 983462 ) on Sunday March 26, 2017 @07:09AM (#54111895) Homepage
    Technology like this isnt helping riot control. its dangerous brinkmanship. Once you start deploying autonomous anti-personnel devices like MRAPS's and BOZENA, youve made citzens aware that not only do you not care about the current reason theyre rioting but you're willing to herd them like cattle instead of take the time to listen.

    Treat people like expendable trash and theyll fight you in ways you wouldnt expect. in Texas it meant after a slew of police shootings of unarmed black men, a black man took up a sniper position and began executing police from a rooftop with a high power rifle. if your only answer to systemic inequality is to deploy a 6600 pound shield, you'll soon find how resilient it is to firearms that are many, many times more powerful than what you would normally be faced with in a riot situation.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by roman_mir ( 125474 )

      But wait a moment, were you under impression that people a are *not* expendable trash for the purposes of any and all governments out there? People are expendable trash, they are to be taxed, sent to fight in wars and military conflicts that are one way or another profitable to those in the government offices.

      • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

        Government the bigger and more remote it gets the more it looks upon the population as a herd to be managed, rather than as their friends and neighbors.

        This why our system was originally designed to have powerful states and keep a lot of administrative control with even smaller units counties and cities. Modern federalism is nothing more than a system of abuse. The very fact that almost all of us have a higher federal tax bill than state tax bill tells you the system is probably corrupted beyond fixing.

        • Government the bigger and more remote it gets the more it looks upon the population as a herd to be managed, rather than as their friends and neighbors.

          [US politician] "I agree! We need to take action immediately! We will create a new Cabinet-level post and an entire new Federal Department (complete with fully-auto rifles, grenade launchers, .50-cal heavy machine guns, MRAPs, and SWAT teams like the Social Security Administration and EPA) to address this injustice! We are currently in serious discussions with concerned citizen-group leaders, meeting in our new 'domestic negotiation center' located at Guantanamo." [/US politician]

          Strat

    • No,
      That is not how it works.
      their are places and times there things like this are needed simply to keep football fans form killing eachother. Preventing a bunch of football fans from burning a city to the ground only improves social cohesion.

      And it has been proven time and again, through statistics and police testing, that police are far less likely to shoot a black man than a white man, all else held equal. Additionally the rate of police shootings have been plummeting over the last decades.

      • And it has been proven time and again, through statistics and police testing, that police are far less likely to shoot a black man than a white man, all else held equal.

        It has been proven time and again that all else is not held equal. The police are for example more commonly deployed to harass people in black neighborhoods. They're more likely to encounter a black man.

        Additionally the rate of police shootings have been plummeting over the last decades.

        How would you know when the statistics are deliberate lies? [thefreetho...roject.com]

        • Encountering has little effect, police encounter pretty much every human in America on a daily basic, and infact encounter other police a disproportionate amount (and yet police shooting police hardly ever happened).
          If you rob a store, if you murder someone, if you run around the streets with a gun, if you shoot at a police officer. The chance of you ending up killed by police is X if you are white.
          If you are black, it is a small fraction of X.

          Every single serious violent crime is responded to, police encou

          • Encountering has little effect, police encounter pretty much every human in America on a daily basic

            And they are overwhelmingly racially biased against blacks, so they're looking harder for evidence of a crime. And they send them into neighborhoods with more blacks looking for crimes.

            and infact encounter other police a disproportionate amount (and yet police shooting police hardly ever happened).

            Which is too bad, because cops commit crimes at about the same rate as the general population, except rape. They are approximately four times as rapey as the general populace.

            • But that is the opposite of reality. Black neighborhoods have a far far lower police presence in regards to the crime rate. The safest whitest neighborhoods show many times more police stops and police presence per crime committed. Look at the numbers for police actions in New York for example. The black neighborhoods have a proportionate amount of police stops to the crime rate. while the white neighborhoods have over twice as much police action and presence per crime.

              Crime and our statistics on it do not

            • And they are overwhelmingly racially biased against blacks

              How about a cite for that aspersion Sparky?

          • Nice trolling.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          Because black people are definitely not more likely to commit crimes or the highest murder to capita ratio race.
          Nope, even with a black mayor and black police chief in charge it's the evil white man targeting those innocent boys who dindu nuffin.

      • by fedos ( 150319 )

        police are far less likely to shoot a black man than a white man

        The racist moron has spoken.

    • Just because someone was elected that some people i the population didn't like, there was widespread rioting and looting across multiple cities.

      If people are so willing to damage everything (and other people) over political differences, what can you expect if something really serious happens?

      The building like these is in response to actions of the people, who have shown even if you treat people as if they had value they will not repay you in kind. So sadly this kind of response is more than warranted, and

    • "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -John F. Kennedy

      Unlike frogs many humans will eventually decide the water is too hot and do something to get out of it.

    • what do the ruling class, who are ordering all this, care about a few dead cops? That guy with the sniper rifle accomplished less than nothing. He's put the police on edge and given credit to the notion that blacks are dangerous thugs. He'll be used by the right wing pro-corporate press to push their agenda for decades to come. Meanwhile the folks that set up the system he wanted to bring down are safe and snug in their compounds with private security carrying military grade weapons.
    • We guarantee the right to protest, not riot. If a group is rioting, the crowd must disperse immediately. This glorified RV is not the right solution, the right solution is to send out the national guard with orders to shoot rioters/looters. If you don't respect the rule of law, I have no respect for you or your position or your life.

      The black lies matter cartel is directly responsible for the Dallas mass shooting that you reference and they are a bunch of lying race pimps who have been proven wrong at ev

  • I bet fire would kill it.
  • now everyone can be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

  • Anyone at the wheels of a Cat 966 would totally crush it. That "dozer blade" is a joke. And real bullets will just bounce off the loader's bucket. It's also extremely vulnerable to side and rear attacks. And the cat has far more maneuverability.
  • by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Sunday March 26, 2017 @10:40AM (#54112485) Homepage

    The police wants to escalate to that level, Then the Unrest will also.

    Cops with full battle armor are a danger to society, it means the ones that think they need to defend themselves from the police will up their game to a 308 high power hunting rifle that will rip through Military armor like butter, or start using Armor piercing 5.56/7.62 home made rounds.

    Want to keep a crowd calm, you don't freaking roll in like storm troopers hell bent on extermination.

    In he countries it's built in, RPG's are not hard to come by, hell even a home made IED would take that thing out.

  • If we are going to get dragged into Shadowrun, can we at least get the cool stuff like elves and magic to go with it?
  • You're not actually allowed to riot. Rioting isn't some god-given right, where taking it away is a form of oppression. Rioting is a crime, and it's a crime because it hurts people. A machine that makes it harder to get away with rioting is a good thing, in the same way that having a bank that can't be robbed would be a good thing, no matter how frustrated it makes potential bank robbers feel.

    • Sure, but SOP for a peaceful protest becomes: send in a couple guys to do violent shit in the middle of the crowd, call it a riot, and bring out the killdozer. Freedom of assembly absolutely is a right in many counties.
  • ... Israel has some prior art [alamy.com] in this area.

  • It's not what the nominee is promising you, it's what his or her voting record, friends, and previous actions consists of.. Have they made ill choices while voting, doing business? If never in office you better find out who they are! Research!! You vote for the better person. Hopefully, one who cares about all the fate of the people they Serve. Not the kind who serve themselves to money -- Only a Mad Man would put a Murderous Device like this on the street.. And while were on that subject, how are they Im
  • "Your pals at Bozena have an all-new RIOT system, a crowd-control killdozer for all your protest-suppressing needs!"

    Good thing it's impervious to IEDs....oh, wait....

  • A weapon to surpass metal gear!?

  • Calling this thing a killdozer profanes the name of our lord Killdozer, and Marvin Heenmeyer his prophet
  • looks like Maginot Line - people will never learn....
  • All hail Robocop!

  • It would be awesome for deploying in front of all those idiots that text and drive.

    • THIS! Like how GM made a consumer version [wikipedia.org] of the Hum-Vee [wikipedia.org], sold great until pricey gas squashed them. Now that gas is cheap again, why not a consumer-version of this monster? Bulldozer and water-turret part of the Premium option package, along with the rifle rack (don't go huntin' without one). Can just smell the money. Feel safe and warm in the sketchy part of town when buying drugs. Park it in front of your neighbor with the Prius, just for laughs.

  • One of these [amazon.com] but 100 times bigger.

    Or sling a barrel of gasoline and a torch over the top! The barrier even protects you from the flames (but not the driver).

  • ... but I'm not too sure people in the US should be laughing at that. :P
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
    https://reason.com/blog/2016/0... [reason.com]

    Not that I think police should be underequiped, inefficient, and with gear and vehicles in unuseable state like it happens here in Brazil, but I don't think MRAPs, tanks, and anti-explosive robots have a place in small counties and whatnot. xD
    In fact, here in Brazil we do have a few armored trucks for slum incursions and such, but you know

  • If you're protesting and you see that thing coming your way with other protesters pressing from behind.

    Which fuckwit came up with this vehicle? Someone who either doesn't care about or understand human group psychology.

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