Starbucks Worker Insisting Customers Wear Masks Rewarded With $70K On GoFundMe (washingtonpost.com) 331
"Masks are stupid and so are the people wearing them," posted one San Diego woman on Facebook (who is also an anti-vaxxer). "She has also shared previous posts expressing her refusal to wear masks, and her belief that those who wear them are 'not thinking clearly,'" reports the Washington Post.
Here's what happened next... Amber Lynn Gilles walked into a Starbucks in San Diego without a mask and was declined service, according to a Facebook post on her page. She took a photograph of the barista who didn't serve her... Her post backfired.
It quickly collected more than 100,000 reactions and comments, as well as nearly 50,000 shares. Many Facebook users defended the barista, Lenin Gutierrez, and some called Gilles a "Karen" — a name coined to describe an entitled white woman making inappropriate remarks. One Facebook user wrote: "There's no reason to publicly shame a kid who's trying to work his shift like any other day...." That's when Matt Cowan, a man who doesn't know Gutierrez but stumbled upon the post, decided to start a virtual tip jar for the barista on GoFundMe. Cowan called the donation page "Tips for Lenin Standing Up To A San Diego Karen..."
"Everybody is rallying around somebody for doing what they're supposed to do and trying to protect everyone else," Cowan said in an interview with KGTV. "It just goes to show you there are a lot of good people out there and that outweighs the bad...."
By Saturday the original Facebook post criticizing the Starbucks barista had brought him over $70,000 in donations through the GoFundMe campaign.
Meanwhile, the Los Angeles Times reports, "In an interview with KNSD-TV Channel 7 in San Diego, Gilles said she's received 'thousands' of death threats since the post went live."
Here's what happened next... Amber Lynn Gilles walked into a Starbucks in San Diego without a mask and was declined service, according to a Facebook post on her page. She took a photograph of the barista who didn't serve her... Her post backfired.
It quickly collected more than 100,000 reactions and comments, as well as nearly 50,000 shares. Many Facebook users defended the barista, Lenin Gutierrez, and some called Gilles a "Karen" — a name coined to describe an entitled white woman making inappropriate remarks. One Facebook user wrote: "There's no reason to publicly shame a kid who's trying to work his shift like any other day...." That's when Matt Cowan, a man who doesn't know Gutierrez but stumbled upon the post, decided to start a virtual tip jar for the barista on GoFundMe. Cowan called the donation page "Tips for Lenin Standing Up To A San Diego Karen..."
"Everybody is rallying around somebody for doing what they're supposed to do and trying to protect everyone else," Cowan said in an interview with KGTV. "It just goes to show you there are a lot of good people out there and that outweighs the bad...."
By Saturday the original Facebook post criticizing the Starbucks barista had brought him over $70,000 in donations through the GoFundMe campaign.
Meanwhile, the Los Angeles Times reports, "In an interview with KNSD-TV Channel 7 in San Diego, Gilles said she's received 'thousands' of death threats since the post went live."
Two separate points (Score:5, Insightful)
1. Good for the barista.
2. Between the stereotyping "a Karen" and the feeling (maybe only imagined by me? I hope so) that someone is a little gleeful over the woman getting death threats, this seems like a really horrible story.
Re:Two separate points (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Two separate points (Score:5, Interesting)
Karen - err, Amber - was claiming she was exempt from the mask requirement thanks to the first amendment, something she clearly did not understand.
She was also quoted as saying she has a medical exemption, but has not offered any proof that is true. Even if true, companies could still refuse her service as being Karen with a doctor's note is not a "protected class". :-)
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She was also quoted as saying she has a medical exemption, but has not offered any proof that is true.
yeah there is a flagrant lie going around social media that you can claim to have a medical exemption and then if asked for proof, refuse because they're not allowed to ask because HIPPA
which is just a total lie, HIPPA defines processes and procedures that health care related businesses/agencies have to follow with respect to customer/client data, it in no way keeps regular Joe X from asking you whatever the frick he wants
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If Joe X works at Starbucks and demands a record which includes PHI ( a name and a clinical diagnosis, for example) now starbucks is in possession of PHI and it may be argued they are a covered entity, subject to HIPAA obligations.
That said you are absolutely correct about the social media campaigns and fake "mask
Re:Two separate points (Score:5, Informative)
People have been carrying "Face Mask Exempt" cards too.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch... [snopes.com]
It's a really shitty thing to do. People with real disabilities get screwed over, staff who don't know the law and who have no practical way of determining if you really have a disability or not get exposed, other customers are put at risk.
I don't think there's any reason not to wear one (Score:3)
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Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say that anybody who has a respiratory condition bad enough to not be able to wear a mask also has a respiratory condition bad enough that they should absolutely not be in public with a highly Infectious disease that kills double digits percentages of people with severe pre-existing respiratory conditions.
I do know someone who is deaf and reads lips so co-workers need to remove their mask while talking to him. That seems reasonable, but he needs other people to remove their m
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...a Boolean flag indicating that they're lazy and or stupid. ... because "posses" is not a word in the English language.
Aliteracy warning! Beware! The above person knows how to read, but is constitutionally incapable of reading. This person is very dangerous. Do not attempt to approach, and whatever you do, do not attempt to reason with them. They are ignorant and dangerous, and they appear completely normal at first glance.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki... [wiktionary.org] (includes pronunciation)
https://www.thefreedictionary.... [thefreedictionary.com]
https://www.dictionary.com/bro... [dictionary.com]
And here is a literary example from popular culture:
https://reddead.fandom.com [fandom.com]
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Man these people are wild. I really thought the legal-woo stuff started and ended with the "sovereign citizen" whackos, but apparently not.
These guys carry cards around citing a law that says , uh, health insurance companies, aren't supposed to breach customers privacy and think it mean
Re: Two separate points (Score:3)
Someone needs to tell the Karen that freeze peach isn't on Starbucks menu.
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What are the three major problems of a Karen?
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Re: Two separate points (Score:4, Funny)
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2. Between the stereotyping "a Karen" and the feeling (maybe only imagined by me? I hope so) that someone is a little gleeful over the woman getting death threats, this seems like a really horrible story.
She has said she's going to sue the guy who started the GoFundMe campaign for defamation and slander and that she wants some of the money raised. So... sounds like a horrible person, finally getting what she deserves.
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2. Between the stereotyping "a Karen" and the feeling (maybe only imagined by me? I hope so) that someone is a little gleeful over the woman getting death threats, this seems like a really horrible story.
She has said she's going to sue the guy who started the GoFundMe campaign for defamation and slander and that she wants some of the money raised. So... sounds like a horrible person, finally getting what she deserves.
Well, he'll have a war-chest to ward off any hostile takeovers of the donations. I think the case would be dismissed pretty quickly. Looking at the Go Fund Me page, I see that it is organized by someone else, and sez...
Raising money for Lenin for his honorable
effort standing his ground when faced with a Karen in the wild
(link to picture of Karen's OP) 49038268_1592879101222455_r.jpeg
Please note that all donations made to this GoFundMe are considered to be personal gifts to Lenin Gutierrez.
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I'm not in favour of extrajudicial executions (or even threats thereof), but otherwise it seems like she's a self-important git getting what self-important gits deserve, yes.
Re:Two separate points (Score:5, Insightful)
Or maybe, just maybe, he could have been given the order to act that way and was put between the hammer the customer is and the hard place his orders are. As is usual in the service industry.
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Re:Two separate points (Score:5, Insightful)
That's usually when the manager comes around the corner, sees you serving a customer against orders and fires you on the spot.
Why risk that for a customer?
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Over the last decade large parts of at least the English speaking internet have come to loathe entitled people who apparently think they can treat people working in the service industry like crap.
The "Karen" thing might be mostly a straw man argument or hasty generalization, but I'd go out on a limb and assume that
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Look I get it, this kid may have inadvertently done a good thing, but it's a mistake to treat him like a hero when he was probably just being snarky.
The reason that this has become a Big Deal is that Amber the Karen tried to use her privilege to turn his life into a living hell by posting his picture, name and place of work on social media. Attempt to destroy a minimum wage working man's life simply because he required her to follow an essential public safety measure, which by the way, is currently the law in California.
And what precisely do you base this "prtobably just being snarky on"? Do you routinely pass this judgment routinely when service worker
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What about the other customers in line? By serving Amber, Lenin would be putting everyone at risk.
In my county, masks are mandatory in retail establishments. So serving maskless people is not just rude to other customers, but illegal.
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Low-wage (or perhaps any wage) workers should not be expected to risk their livelihoods to provide a favor. When corporate=>director=>manager=>supervisor says "Thou Shalt Not...", the plebe has pretty good reason to say "Nay nay!".
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Low-wage (or perhaps any wage) workers should not be expected to risk their livelihoods to provide a favor. When corporate=>director=>manager=>supervisor says "Thou Shalt Not...", the plebe has pretty good reason to say "Nay nay!".
I think you mean:
Low-wage (or perhaps any wage) workers should not be expected to risk their lives to provide a favor.
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Absolutely.
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OR he just didn't want to get COVID. COVID Karen was perfectly willing to risk other people's health for her own personal comfort and virtue signaling, why shouldn't society push back one person at a time.
Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.
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Something interesting about coffee shop is that the customer is never right. Starbucks is a high volume chain. Trying to please a problem customer often costs more business than simply telling them to fuck right off and to take their business elsewhere.
The world doesn't owe you shit. You want to be treated nicely, don't act like a fucking moron.
It's very clear you've never worked in a customer facing role otherwise you wouldn't ever defend a degenerate shit like this woman, hell you wouldn't defend a perfec
Re: Two separate points (Score:2)
Or maybe being a low level employee he was just following what his line manager told him to do.
People like Amber think arguing with a company peon gets you somewhere , it doesnâ(TM)t! It makes you look like an ass , and makes the line worker shrug their shoulders and say whatever, take it up with my boss.
If you going to be asshole, be a proper one and ask to see the manager, hassling some kid trying to make a buck the hard way is not going to work.
What happens when... (Score:2)
Next up (Score:5, Insightful)
A Slashdot story about a family reunited with their long lost cat.
Seriously, this is not news and has no technical or other relation to the audience. There's literally no reason for anyone besides the people directly involved to be interested in this at all.
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Amber is a senior internal bug hunter for Microsoft...
(I kid, I kid)
Re: Next up (Score:2)
Ha ha, everyone knows she heads Microsoft's UI and Clippy Revival teams.
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A Slashdot story about a family reunited with their long lost cat.
Seriously, this is not news and has no technical or other relation to the audience. There's literally no reason for anyone besides the people directly involved to be interested in this at all.
It's an interesting case analysis of how humans rationalize certain things because "they want to" "talking heads say" "can't be bothered" "worldview", etc. Humans are rational animals: we can rationalize *anything* to fulfill our emotional needs.
And how the hell does that cat find its way home? Scientists want to know.
Google Gilles' name (Score:2)
Dumb bitch (Score:2)
An analogy I use when explaining this to others (Score:2)
So, whenever the subject gets brought up, and someone starts explaining to me about how wearing masks is "infringing my personal freedom" or whatnot, I ask them this question.
Do you have the freedom to drive on both sides of the road?
When they say no, I ask why not. And usually the response is, "I could kill someone, or die myself." So, I explain: When behaving as we choose endangers the lives of ourselves or others, it's wise not to exercise these so-called personal liberties. Instead, we need to estab
Is DWI protected by first amendment? (Score:2)
Drinking is legal
Driving is legal
Driving while drunk is simply doing two legal activities simultaneously. As such police cracking down on DWI would violate first amendment.
Further there is a tendency of many claiming "this is my right" "That is unconstitutional". Only the Courts can declare something unconstitutional. Even random people posting in Slashdot add I am not a lawyer. What makes these people think they are judges?
Two problems (Score:5, Insightful)
I have two issues with this /. submission that are both editor-related. Sure, that customer was being a jerk, kudos to the barista for standing up to her, and I guess congrats for getting a random $75k+ windfall BUT:
First, how is this news for nerds? Because it involves Covid? Is /. just turning into a general news aggregator? There's so much interesting tech/science news happening in the world, I wish /. would just stick to that.
Second, there are 3 links in the summary. The two links to the actual news stories are paywalled, making them useless to the majority of users. The editors should be doing a tiny bit of extra works and linking to free stories (maybe in addition to the paywalled ones) that are easily found via google search:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/s... [cbsnews.com]
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/ne... [nbcsandiego.com]
https://heavy.com/news/2020/06... [heavy.com]
https://www.today.com/food/wom... [today.com]
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Slashdot has become a politicized platform. Just look at all the articles that aren't really tech in nature but are more political leaning. This article, and another today about how to teach CompSci. These posts have a lot of replies while other articles like renaming javax namespace gets less than 50.
Re: Mass-hysteria (Score:4, Insightful)
There is nothing political about wearing a mask. It is a health situation. Anyone trying to make it political is the problem.
Re: Mass-hysteria (Score:5, Informative)
How about if you have already had covid 19, why should you be forced to wear a mask, ...
To help prevent / reduce the possibility of you spreading it to others and/or getting re-infected. Re-infections and immune carriers exist with these sort of things. Also, it's not yet known if recovery provides strong immunity and/or for how long.
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Re: Mass-hysteria (Score:5, Insightful)
It is not starbucks. It is a public health order based on sound evidence and supported by a vast majority of people. She could very well be infected and getting other people sick. She needs to wear a mask. If she is unwilling, she can get her starbucks via drivethrough. They will probably even bring it out to her if she orders with the app. But she should NOT go into the store with other customers. I can't believe I am standing up for starbucks. I hate starbucks. But they did nothing wrong in this instance.
Re: Mass-hysteria (Score:5, Funny)
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When they operate on those dimwits? Yes, they should.
With a hint of luck, some viruses and bacteria (that don't exist according to those idiots) will take care of the problem.
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Re: Mass-hysteria (Score:5, Insightful)
Starbucks workers are serving their employer and executing its orders. If you have a problem with that, take on Starbucks. Because they set the rules that their workers have to follow.
But of course it's easier to slap around a minimum wage worker than trying to take on a multinational corporation.
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How about if you have already had covid 19, why should you be forced to wear a mask,
Which means what? There is no evidence, so far, that if you have already been infected you can't be reinfected. Further, recent studies seem to indicate that protection from covid-19 once infected may only last several months. Which means if you were infected in March and it's now June, there is a possibility you could both contract it again AND infect others if you're asymptomatic.
There are really good reason why mask u
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Freedom of choice is not politics
Freedom to choose not to serve people without masks. It goes both ways.
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Funny how they always forget about that part.
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Freedom of choice is often curtailed when people's health is involved. Get certain bugs and you will be quarantined, so this is not a new concept. Nor should it be politicized, but here we are.
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Sorry you don't get freedom of choice over MY safety and health, only your own. It's the same reason we don't let people get blind drunk and then drive home.
What of the barista's freedom to choose not to interact with people being cavalier with his well being?
Re:Mass-hysteria (Score:5, Funny)
Especially the mention that the woman is also an anti-vaxxer reveals the true nature of this story. It's to play the public's opinion.
You don't think that it's relevant to point out that someone who is on an anti-mask crusade is also mentally handicapped?
Re:Mass-hysteria (Score:4, Insightful)
That's the scary thing. These people are probably normally abled, somewhere near the middle of the bell curve. The human mind seems to have a weakness for mass delusion, e.g. organized religion.
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That's the scary thing. These people are probably normally abled, somewhere near the middle of the bell curve. The human mind seems to have a weakness for mass delusion, e.g. organized religion.
Yeah. Humans are a rationalizing animal and can come up with excuses for any particular thing according to their emotions. To quote XKCD, "Dear God, I'd like to file a bug report!"
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Sigh. I remember when Slashdot was both open minded enough to consider arguments like these and fairly secular, with religious beliefs being ranked correctly as pretty far below those based on evidence and logic.
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"The human mind seems to have a weakness for mass delusion, e.g. organized religion."
That's not a ranking, any more than "all white people are racists" is a ranking. "Open-minded" is just an appeal to "I got away with it before, why can't I still do that"? Societies change, and we now have to treat people differently than our so called previous "open-minded" times.
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The woman is a moron and can barely manage to type a coherent sentence. I don't think that is political. She is demonstrably an idiot. I say this after perusing her social media. I am uncomfortable with the zeal of many pro-vaxers so I get where you are coming from. But I think it is time that those of us who are trying to defend contrarian ideas also kind of realize that some people have some kind of mental defect and are unable to process information correctly, and a lot of them are now staunch anti-mask
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"She is demonstrably an idiot."
The correct PC term is "Influencer".
Re:Mass-hysteria (Score:5, Insightful)
Seems the propaganda has come to /. too.
So true. If masks really worked then you would see doctors and nurses wearing them.
I wish /. would stay politically neutral
This isn't a political thing, it is simply science verses stupid; selfish vs selfless. You can't tell us to avoid the polarization of society to defend someone who thinks they know better than all the medical professionals in the world.
To quote Voltaire: 'I do not agree with what you say, but i will fight to the death for your right to say it'.
But surely the choice to die should not be forced on us by the Karens who willfully spread this deadly virus. It is not free speech to go around infecting people. A mask does not infringe on your first amendment right, because we can still hear you when you wear one.
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" A mask does not infringe on your first amendment right, because we can still hear you when you wear one."
Nice line. And it's a bit hilarious that you are modded a troll for mentioning that "If masks really worked then you would see doctors and nurses wearing them."
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So true. If masks really worked then you would see doctors and nurses wearing them.
They do. There's a reason many governments aren't mandating medical grade masks for everyone. They need to save the supplies for the doctors and nurses. In fact, that's the exact reason the Australian government publicly announced to answer why they're not recommending people wear those masks. Instead they suggest cloth masks.
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If you are an anti-vaxxer, you are an idiot who endangers other people. This is not up for debate. You don't get to ignore reality without being called an idiot.
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Even nudists are obliged to carry a towel for when they sit down. Maintaining a minimum level of personal hygiene in public has always been something society requires of us.
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This post should stand as a reminder to all that yes, some people are truly morons.
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You win the internet today, comrade!
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OMG, it's a fucking piece of cloth, you whiny snowflake shithead. There's a global pandemic in progress and you morons will not do the minimum required to limit spread out of some insane, misplaced sense of "freedom".
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What won't is the contact tracing apps that will soon become mandatory on all cellphones, and that will be run by the fascist combination of government and Big Data.
Good luck with that. All those apps seem to require features of recent versions of Android, mine runs KitKat (v4.4) and can't be upgraded. Uncle Sam can't force me to buy a newer phone.
Re:muzzled (Score:4, Interesting)
You are already being tracked by your phone unless it is off (or, possibly in a faraday cage). Law enforcement can access the data with a warrant. But the cell companies, they have the data.
Apple and google came up with a clever way to do the contact tracing without tracking anybody. It involves exchanging rotating unique pseudo-random ID codes with other phones via bluetooth. If you test positive, then all your codes get published (just the codes.. not your name). All the other phones that have come into contact with your unique codes then know that they have been exposed, even though they don't know who you are. Of course google and apple are "big data" and justifiably meet with a lot of skepticism. But the alternative is intrusive tracking where locations are logged to a central database. Way worse. So I thought the google/apple plan was pretty good. But Americans are now so resistant to this type of contact tracing that I doubt very much it will ever happen.
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Now go find me somebody using them and doing it right. lol
Literally 99% of people out there.
Stop being such an ignorant moron.
Re:Well the masks ARE security theater. (Score:5, Insightful)
You are a fucking idiot. If you had made even the slightest effort to research these fake issues you raise you would see that it is still better if people wear masks. But you didn't. That is why I say you are a fucking idiot. Go ahead and mod me flamebait I don't care. I have karma to burn.
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Re:Well the masks ARE security theater. (Score:5, Interesting)
Are masks 100% effective? No. But what they are are an inexpensive and non-invasive way to reduce the spread of the viruses. Even if they stop 1% of infections they would be already better than the alternative. i.e. doing fuck all.
Of course, having your head as deeply buried in your rectum as you do is more effective, I grant you that.
Re:Well the masks ARE security theater. (Score:5, Informative)
That is incorrect.
Masks, even cheap homemade or surgical masks, do catch a significant fraction of virus particles. Not all, but a lot of them.
Perhaps more importantly though, they block your breath which exits at high speed (especially when coughing, sneezing, or talking loudly) and force it to dissipate around the edges at low speed. Which means that the viral particles fall to the ground right next to you, as opposed to forming a 20-foot-long plume of infected air which infects anyone in its path.
No masks do not prevent 100% of infections. But they don't have to. They just have to prevent enough infections that R0 drops below 1 and the number of new cases drops towards zero rather than rising. Exponential decay rather than exponential growth. And evidence from around the world suggests that they do this.
But don't trust me. Trust the medical experts. [clevelandclinic.org]
Re:Well the masks ARE security theater. (Score:4, Insightful)
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Well said.
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The perfect is the enemy of the good.
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Instead, people use what a basically pieces of cloth from old bedsheets and t-shirts etc! Those textiles have wildly varying hole sizes in between the threads. Meaning they either don't filter, or they block the air and it just vents on the sides and top with no filtering whatsoever. Making them equal to wearing no masks.
No, they're not equal. This kind of mask is actually pretty effective at reducing the amount of viral load spread when an infected person sneezes while wearing such a mask. They don't protect the wearer but they protect people around the wearer.
Re: What goes around comes around. (Score:5, Insightful)
The general consensus on mask use is that they don't protect the wearer. But if the wearer is infected, but isn't showing symptoms, they capture moisture droplets which contain virus and therefore protect the people around you.
Therefore Karen was being irresponsible and willfully endangering those around her. Aka being an asshole.
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The consensus is that the masks DO help prevent the spread. You found a dissenter just like I can find an article supporting the flat earth or "scientific creationism".
Re: What goes around comes around. (Score:4, Informative)
https://annals.org/aim/fullart... [annals.org]
I suggest reading the whole article.
I suggest also reading the retraction [nih.gov].
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She was apparently offered another method and refused it. She could have gone through the drive-through. She objected to other patrons offering their first amendment rights at her and she got butt-hurt about it.
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Sorry, but there is still a debate on how effective masks are. The debate currently seems to be between "pretty effective" and "very effective" but there are outliers. On both sides.
It's just that some people seem to feel that as long as something isn't settled (when does that happen in science?) they can pick any enunciated position and consider it valid. Even the Flat Earth Society has true believers...so reasonableness isn't a criterion, and that kind of belief is really independent of left/right poli
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Out of curiosity: what number would you consider sufficient to change your mind?
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105%, at least.
lol
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What I'm about to say is going to sound horrible. But for those who are truly anti-mask, take the cost of the mask out of the tip. If the business is creating an extra expense for you, just don't tip as much. Yes, horrible, since it's not the employee's fault for corporate's decision, but still, maybe it will make you feel better.
The concept of tipping isn't universal. Most countries just have the business charge a fair rate for their services, and pay the employees a fair wage, and don't need to rely on tips to survive. In fact I've visited places that refuse to accept tips.
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"Karen" — a name coined to describe an entitled white woman making inappropriate remarks.
This is the first I heard of a requirement than Karens be white.
In fact, millions of Karens are Asian [wikipedia.org].
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I still love the fact that the Karen National Liberation Army is an actual thing. ;)
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Re: Is this the offcial definition? Sounds appropr (Score:2)
So the Sweeney Todd are self-righteous entitled policemen?
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Okay, well then, bye Felicia.
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Another good reason they shouldn't have re-opened daycare...
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I highly doubt this woman has received anywhere near the number (or even any) death threats over this.
I don't. People send death threats over pointlessly stupid shit. I'm willing to bet the Starbucks employee has received death threats too.
Really, who would be so enraged over this to actually commit murder?
No one. Death threats are the original internet toughguys. A bunch of losers claiming they will do something which almost universally never amount to anything. Shit man I've received death threats for proving someone wrong in a physics question. Some little tiny prick didn't like being wrong on the internet, bang death threat. Whoop de fucking do.
He once claimed that he was receiving death threats from "Clinton supporters", but never was willing to provide a shred of evidence for it.
Again I don't doubt that
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I highly doubt this woman has received anywhere near the number (or even any) death threats over this. Really, who would be so enraged over this to actually commit murder?
Do you really think people who make death threats online are contemplating "actual murder"?