Secret Files Reveal UK Police Feared That Trekkies Could Turn On Society 214
An anonymous reader writes: Scotland Yard was worried that fans of shows like the X Files and Star Trek might run amok during the Millennium according to secret files. The file, called UFO New Religious Movements (NRMs) And The Millennium, reveals that anti-terrorism experts were also concerned about the brain-washing effect of Dark Skies, Roswell, Millennium and The Lawnmower Man on viewers. According to the Telegraph: "The secret briefing note was obtained from the Met under the Freedom of Information Act by Sheffield-based British X-Files expert Dr Dave Clarke while researching a new book, How UFOs Conquered the World. Dr Clarke, who teaches investigative journalism at Sheffield Hallam University, said: 'The documents show the police and security services were concerned about the export of some new religious movements concerning UFOs and aliens from the USA in the aftermath of the mass suicide by followers of the Heaven's Gate.'"
Seems obvious now (Score:3, Insightful)
Sure, it seems obvious now, but I'm kind of glad we have people looking at these ridiculous scenarios and planning how to deal with them *just in case*. It's difficult to predict the unknown so might as well be prepared for it even if it's unlikely.
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well, they were just concerned that people are really, really, really stupid.
which is fair. I mean, look at youtube now. full of newage idiots babbling about how we're moving to a new age and all that stuff. luckily the people who believe in that kind of crap and conspiracy theories about the government suppressing information about crystals usually just stick to their homes(and to scamming money out of other idiots, seriously, look at any youtube channel about newage/conspiracy stuff. if they have more tha
Re:Seems obvious now (Score:5, Insightful)
well, they were just concerned that people are really, really, really stupid.
which is fair. I mean, look at youtube now. full of newage idiots babbling about how we're moving to a new age and all that stuff. luckily the people who believe in that kind of crap and conspiracy theories about the government suppressing information about crystals usually just stick to their homes(and to scamming money out of other idiots, seriously, look at any youtube channel about newage/conspiracy stuff. if they have more than 2 hours of content they want to sell you something, even if they're babbling about the end of the monetary system).
This. It seems really stupid to think that these shows will lead someone down those roads--notably, if these shows will, so will almost anything. But sometimes people are really, really stupid. See, e.g.: anti-vaxxer movement. There probably actually *should* be a government conspiracy to silent the anti-vaxxer movement because it presents a serious threat to public health.
We could call the conspiracy the "NIH" and ask it to do "peer-reviewed research." :)
But a good propaganda machine designed to promote research over stupid ideas that threaten public safety, scary as it is, might actually be called for on occasion... be a bit transparent about it, but still.
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Yeah, I read TFS as a big giant "holy cow are police forces actually this damned stupid?"
How can these idiots take themselves seriously when they have such monumentally idiotic ideas? And why should they expect us to take them seriously?
Re:Seems obvious now (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, I read TFS as a big giant "holy cow are police forces actually this damned stupid?"
How can these idiots take themselves seriously when they have such monumentally idiotic ideas? And why should they expect us to take them seriously?
You're talking about someone who managed to make it his paid, full-time job to write X-File fanfic and hang out at Star Trek conventions, most likely putting everything on a government expense account. The word you're looking for isn't "stupid", it's "brilliant".
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I guess you just stumbled into the videos for the "Endgame" AR-Game.
Worst. Book. Ever.
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I was thinking the same thing. Mention "Singularity" or "AI" and Slashdotters start talking about uploading themselves to a cloud and computers who are going to take over the world.
Meanwhile my Mac can't even connect to wifi reliably. But yeah, I'm sure AI is right around the corner.
Didn't you get the memo that the pro-AI crowd achieved AI by defining AI to include things like my radio alarm clock "interacting" with me. Oh look, it can tell the time and wake you up, it's smarter than a chimpanzee.
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Didn't you hear, all the data is in the cloud now so we no longer need computers.
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Yes, you posted before me but they are my thoughts too.
That's because THEY transmit the "thoughts" to people's brains... think about it!
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Yes, you posted before me but they are my thoughts too.
That's because THEY transmit the "thoughts" to people's brains... think about it!
I tried thinking about it but the transmissions wouldn't let me.
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Yes, you posted before me but they are my thoughts too.
That's because THEY transmit the "thoughts" to people's brains... think about it!
I tried thinking about it but the transmissions wouldn't let me.
My God... you are old enough Slashdoter, do i have to treat you like a baby? Anyway: wear you tin foil hat first...
Re:Seems obvious now (Score:5, Informative)
I agree, I am glad the police are looking into trekkies, those people are strange and different and who knows what they are capable of! The police should investigate minority group and subculture, it's the only way to ensure our freedom. There are some very dangerous groups out there. Have you ever heard of slashot? They're like trekkies but with black hat hacker skills.. cyber criminals more dangerous than anything the police could have imagined in 1999. I hope the police investigate and round up the lot of them, better safe than sorry.
Re:Seems obvious now (Score:5, Interesting)
Can you imagine the dystopian dictatorship where trekkies come to power? All of the halls of power full of people walking around in spandex and fake ears and brow ridges, the fed directed to work toward the absolution of currency, the military directed to accelerate development of phasers and for all recruits to undergo "Kobayashi Maru" training.... NASA would finally get their proposed $18,5 billion dollar annual budget passed - except that the bill would have the word "annual" crossed out and the word "monthly" written in its place. National anti-bullying legislation would be passed, probably with a name like Spock's Law. And of course they'd insist on referring to the UN as the United Federation of Planets.
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And they'd move the capital to the left coast. Ugh.
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I was just trying to make a joke about how California sucks, but sure, let's nerd fight.
Starfleet Headquarters is in San Francisco
The Federation Council is in San Francisco
President of the United Federation of Planets is in Paris, but everyone knows the Federation Council has all the real power and it's been suggested the Federation is a parliamentary type system with the Council electing the President
France is also coastal, and to the west of the bulk of the continent on which it resides, thus west coast.
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I maintain that if Trekkies took over the world, they would put their capital on a west coast.
Unless we find a world where the sun rises in the west, in which case we'd put it on the EAST coast. It's all about the dramatic sunsets.
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Actually, they'd move it to Paris. San Francisco is home to Starfleet Academy, not the Federation capital.
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The Federation Council is in San Francisco, too. Between them and Star Fleet HQ, the power is all in San Francisco.
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Can you imagine the dystopian dictatorship where trekkies come to power?
Nope. Neither can you despite a lot of imaging. It almost sounds...logical.
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... but are they?? (Score:2)
Those motherfucking assholes are the real life version of the keystone kops --- They always do the wrong thing
Had the assholes really know their stuffs that British soldier Lee Rigby would still be alive today
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... [wikipedia.org]
And the London tube wouldn't have been bombed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7... [wikipedia.org]
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Sure, it seems obvious now, but I'm kind of glad we have people looking at these ridiculous scenarios and planning how to deal with them *just in case*. It's difficult to predict the unknown so might as well be prepared for it even if it's unlikely.
No doubt they are looking into a Slashdotter's apocalypse, where thousands of us come en masse out of our mother's basements, and make out with every woman we see.
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What's the difference between a trekker and a trekkie?
A trekker is a Star Trek fan.
A trekkie is an idiot that insists you call them a trekker.
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we are not called Trekkies
Oh yes you are. It's funnier.
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Tony Blairs fault (Score:1)
Justifying a budget by inventing hypothetical enemies.
It's Tony Blair's fault. He expanded the police force far beyond any needs, and let them set up 'private companies' to coordinate their plans.
Those private companies became political campaign groups that expand laws to justify increased budgets. When we elect a leader to get a grip on these scaremongering oppressive ass-shats, their PR people go out and campaign against the politicians plans.
So you see endless stories with policeman hypothesizing new cri
Trekkies Could Turn On Society (Score:5, Funny)
With those uniforms ?
anti-terorism experts or idiots (Score:5, Insightful)
The article labels them "anti-terrorism experts" but the mere fact that they even considered this long enough for there to have been a written record belies that title and proves instead that they are "anti-terrorism idiots".
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Either than or they are heavily into UFOs and the real threat there were considering was humans allying with the aliens against existing power structures. This whole government attack on all things UFO based on the ludicrous idea that humans are the only intelligent species in this galaxy, really is beginning to smell more like their complete and total impotence when it keeps to dealing with stuff not of this world or even just the idea of it. So they are desperate to maintain a front of control and author
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The article labels them "anti-terrorism experts" but the mere fact that they even considered this long enough for there to have been a written record belies that title and proves instead that they are "anti-terrorism idiots".
One might be tempted to assume this is a hoax. Unfortunately we have examples of similar hysteria from decades past that make one seriously consider that this might be true. It is really strange how people manage to get themselves into a state of utter hysteria about some minority ethnic, cultural or even cultural sub group. Punks, hippies, jews, gypsies, gays, social democrats... to name a few have all caused the elements within society that are prone to worrying themselves to death or who just simply enjo
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The article labels them "anti-terrorism experts" but the mere fact that they even considered this long enough for there to have been a written record belies that title and proves instead that they are "anti-terrorism idiots".
They were idiots if they acted on those suspicions and started spying on Comic Con or individual geeks, but to have never researched them at all would have been stupider by far.
Geeks are a major cultural force and a lot of those shows have their own utopian ideology mixed in, the 20th century is basically a story of different ideologies fighting it out, Democracy, Communism, Fascism, etc. Almost certainly nothing sinister would ever emerge from Trekkies, but when you have a national law enforcement agency t
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The article labels them "anti-terrorism experts" but the mere fact that they even considered this long enough for there to have been a written record belies that title and proves instead that they are "anti-terrorism idiots".
Or they could just be sci-fi wannabe writers themselves.
Not everyone can write a good sci-fi conspiracy theory, but many people still try anyway.
Not to worry ... (Score:5, Funny)
Trekkies always keep their phasers set to stun ...
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Trekkie Hooligans, Unite! (Score:5, Insightful)
Wanna keep us off the streets? Stop canceling our goddam sci-fi shows!
Circuses (Score:2)
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Reasonable (Score:5, Insightful)
The dossier – called UFO New Religious Movements and the Millennium – was drawn up in response to the 1997 mass suicide by 39 cultists in San Diego known as Heaven's Gate.
Given that cults with a somewhat "sci-fi" approach to their idiocy exist it seems fair game to, at the very least, think through possible scenarios and plan accordingly. This is surely good disaster planning, certainly logical. What has happened here, it seems, is that someone has suggested regular "trekkies" are the real risk to garner attention and to sell someone's book.
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One, in particular, comes to mind.
Question Everything (Score:2, Insightful)
Do I believe in UFOs and little green men? No, but shows like Dark Skies and The X Files taught me to question everything, especially information provided by those in power. That's what made shows like that useful. Now with Snowden et al we find that governments have been lying to us for years.
2000 was harmless (Score:1)
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Never mind 2038, it's 2048 when the Y2K bug hits us that we'll really be in trouble.
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well, they DID. we just don't remember. (Score:4, Informative)
Oh, please (Score:1)
Trekkies can't turn on anyone!
There are quite a few haters on this thread but... (Score:4, Insightful)
Protecting people from evil cults (even if they got the specifics of meme transmission a bit off by choosing "X-Files" and similar) is definitely something I would like my government to do. You need to research the cults, methods etc. to do that.
Further, if this was in existence a few decades ago, perhaps we would have nipped Scientology in the bud before it landed in the UK.
Fuck off nanny state apologist (Score:1)
I don't want the police deciding what belief I can and cannot follow, be that Trekky, Catholic, Dr Who or 'theatons' .
And you think its *OTHER* peoples cults they would protect against, but why should your choices get to be the special ones permitted? Freedom of expression is a right and not just for you.
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Protecting people from evil cults (even if they got the specifics of meme transmission a bit off by choosing "X-Files" and similar) is definitely something I would like my government to do.
I do not want my government involved in such things. I want my government involved in infrastructure and physical harm mediation. Protecting me is not on my list of things a government should do.
Yes, there is some protection afforded by the fact that the government will mediate physical harm issues, but the subtle point is that it is not done for protection but to mediate after the harm has already been done. You can not actually prevent ANYTHING.
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Further, if this was in existence a few decades ago, perhaps we would have nipped Scientology in the bud before it landed in the UK.
If it were in existence ~1400 years ago, perhaps we would have nipped Islam in the bud.
If it were in existence ~2000 years ago, perhaps we would have nipped Christianity in the bud.
And I wonder how many readers agreed with my first line, then threw a shit-fit when they got to my second line.
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Well, no wonder Dr. Who is so big over there... (Score:2)
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Except that, even if you don't care for the pantomime style, Doctor Who often rips the shit out of politicians, the military and religion. Plus, there are other British shows like Utopia, Black Mirror, Life on Mars/Ashes To Ashes and Orphan Black (OK - the latter is a US/BBC co-production) that 'do' conspiracies and social comment in ways that the traditional US TV networks wouldn't touch with a bargepole (looking forward to "Humans" although I understand that's a remake of a Scandinavian show). US viewers
Cult of 47 (Score:2)
When I saw this article on the front page of Slashdot, there were 47 [memory-alpha.org] comments on it.
Futurama (Score:2)
Didn't Futurama have an episode like that? Where Star Trek became a religion and was banned at some point? I gotta find me that episode!
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Where No Fan Has Gone Before, season 4, episode 11.
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Thanks!
Contingency plans for the contingency planners (Score:2)
Given the vast weirdness of the government bureaucracy and its penchant for contingency plans for all kinds of events, I wonder if contingency plans for some branch of the government trying to take over based on paranoid contingency plans has ever happened.
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Given the potential universe of wacky cults, from Scientology to the Heaven's Gate to Aum Shinrikyo to Jim Jones' People's Temple, it might make sense to think about the risks associated with cults.
Especially if you factor in that Heavens Gate attracted a lot of people with IT smarts and Aum Shinrikyo tried to sarin gas the subway. Even if they don't become mass phenomenons there's some risk that bizarre millennial thought coupled with above average intelligence could lead to some bad outcomes.
Journalism 101 (Score:5, Informative)
The headline:
Scotland Yard was worried that fans of shows like the X Files and Star Trek might run amok during the Millennium according to secret files.
The actual story:
'The documents show the police and security services were concerned about the export of some new religious movements concerning UFOs and aliens from the USA in the aftermath of the mass suicide by followers of the Heaven's Gate.'"
Slight difference...
Anyway, was this going to be the Star Trek Wars or the Star Wars Trek?
Wow (Score:2)
Translation (Score:2)
To the government, everyone looks like a potential criminal.
As Captain Hammer Sez... (Score:2)
I Think I understand more now (Score:2)
I can't win, they know it, I know it. So fuck them.
Ob Futurama (Score:2)
The Star Trek Wars [cc.com]
My Brain is Washed (Score:2)
Terrorism is a red shirt.
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/403... [foxnews.com]
There you go. Now please reiterate your message about how people know nothing about it and that it promotes peace.
BTW Sorry about having to use a link from fox news, I know some people can't deal with the fact it exists but they were the only network willing to broadcast this. You might wish to consider what that implies about agenda in the media.
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So you think those people represent the entire religion. No wonder you are so confused.
The only agenda in the media over that video is the desire to not show a brutal, graphic murder to people who might be flipping through channels. If you hadn't thought of that, I guess that says more about you than it does anything else.
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https://twitter.com/ap/status/... [twitter.com]
oh yeah, and here you go from the AP
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With every one of your anti-Islam posts you are just showing the world how small-minded, ignorant and scared you are, just like the fanatics you probably intend to rail against (but due to your ignorance you get them confused with people who identify with the same religion, but who are not fanatical). You have more in common with the fanatics than you think.
Please read the qur'an = your ignorance of the actual teachings of Islam is astounding.
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As if the bible was any better, you fucking racist asshole.
Because all christians are one race, and Muslims another you ignorant appeaser
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The Qur'an instructs believers to go to war against Jews and Christians.
The Bible records the history of wars.
There's a difference between recording a violent history, and instructions to commit violent acts.
The Qur'an has no order to love your neighbor, to treat others as one would wish to be treated, or to not resist an evil man. The Qur'an's plan for peace is to obtain it by force.
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There are many versus that also teach to treat Jews and Christians well as they are fellow monotheists, or peoples of the book.
"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve."
Islam does have orders to love your neighbors, because Islam includes the teachings of Christ as well. They just don't consider him divine
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Then you have read neither.
There is no comparison between the two in terms of violence. The Qu'ran is in part a history of the early conquests and has over a hundred verses about smiting the unbelievers.
While there is some "smite the unbelievers" in the Bible, it is limited to the Old Testament... which was not written by Christians, but is there to support the claim of Christ being the one prophesied in the Old Testament.
The new Testament, contains no such verses justifying the killing of unbelievers by Ch
Re:Its funny (Score:5, Insightful)
I've read neither in about 20 years since taking a comparative religion class at school.
It's the same God in both the OT and the NT. I wonder why, when Christianity's holy book's text is looked at, people leap through hoops to try to break apart the trinity or add all sorts of explanations for the hideous, God-sanctioned behaviour, with the Qu'ran it's apparently a factual guide book and evidence that all Muslims are violent psychopaths. It's all bullshit. Most Christians don't live by the Bible just as most Muslims don't live by the Qu'ran.
But whatever. This discussion is pointless. Neither book is at all suitable for teaching how to behave to your fellow man.
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It is indeed pointless, you don't know what you are talking about, you admit you don't know what you are talking about (going on 20 year old remembrance) ....
But somehow you know what you are talking about.
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I've read neither in about 20 years since taking a comparative religion class at school.
It's the same God in both the OT and the NT. I wonder why, when Christianity's holy book's text is looked at, people leap through hoops to try to break apart the trinity or add all sorts of explanations for the hideous, God-sanctioned behaviour, with the Qu'ran it's apparently a factual guide book and evidence that all Muslims are violent psychopaths. It's all bullshit. Most Christians don't live by the Bible just as most Muslims don't live by the Qu'ran.
What you've got to remember is that the Qu'ran is selectively quoted out of context deliberately by people who have an irrational hate of Muslims. They do this because often the context doesn't support their point.
If you selectively quoted the bible, it looks just as bad. Zechariah 12:3 for example tells Christians to kill false prophets, Leviticus made it clear it's OK to keep slaves, then there is the well known example of Ezekiel 25:17 (think pulp fiction). In fact the entire story of Ezekiel 25 is pr
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Way to dodge the question, bigot.
The Qu'ran is no more violent than the Bible, so you complaining about one and not the other is the very definition of bigotry.
OK - I'm not a christian but I'll do my best to answer. There are two diferent views on the bible in Christianity, Sola Scriptura and Sola fide. Sola fide (as practiced by catholics and orthodox) says that the bible does not give a clear complete and unabiguous message but must be interpreted by faith, divine revelations to certain limited people (e.g pope in catholicism), and tradition. To these christians it would not matter even if the bible contained commands to kill unbeleievers, take sex slaves, etc (
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With every one of your anti-Islam posts you are just showing the world how small-minded, ignorant and scared you are, just like the fanatics you probably intend to rail against (but due to your ignorance you get them confused with people who identify with the same religion, but who are not fanatical). You have more in common with the fanatics than you think.
I am not the one who wrote the comment you replied to, but i agree with him (actually, in the one month i am a "Slashdoter", i have made some anti-Muslim/Islam posts myself - not very "popular", like the parent's that has modded down) - i don't know about the other guy, but i know about Muslims (i grow up with them, still live close to them), i read the Quran and the Hadiths, plus i am Greek (and Christian by the way, and as a "disclaimer"), so i may have the extra "historic privilege" to know few things mo
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Thanks for proving my point. You are scared, ignorant, and seemingly very happy with that arrangement. Your ancient Greek forbears would be *oh so thrilled* that you've thrown your cognitive ability down the drain and settled for knee-jerk reaction instead.
Anyone who extrapolates their own experiences to judge the entire world is a demonstrable idiot.
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Thanks for proving my point. You are scared, ignorant, and seemingly very happy with that arrangement. Your ancient Greek forbears would be *oh so thrilled* that you've thrown your cognitive ability down the drain and settled for knee-jerk reaction instead.
Anyone who extrapolates their own experiences to judge the entire world is a demonstrable idiot.
I repeatedly informed you about my knowledge AND experience of Islam/Muslims - you repeatedly answered me that i am an ignorant, stupid, coward, racist, fanatic, etc (while you did not anwered about YOUR knowledge AND experience of Islam/Muslims)
One of the many great things my great ancient Greek ancestors gave to the world is the reasoning proving that "anyone who extrapolates their own experiences to judge the entire world" is... WISE! They were scared of "barbarians" because of their knowledge AND experi
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Read the Bible and see just how fucked up that book is, and try to understand how that appears from an outsider's perspective.
Yeah. Maybe what's important isn't so much what the books say, but what the fanatical believers actually do.
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Just like fundamentalists of every religion.
Just from a statistical standpoint, in the recent three or four decades (especially since the quieting of the Irish troubles), there seem to be a lot more incidents of Muslim fundamentalists killing people, and organizing into large groups to kill people, than there are incidents of Christian (any denomination) or any other religion's fundamentalists. So, on average, I'd worry more about meeting someone from that particular group. (Notable exception; the Hutu/Tutsi conflict wasn't world-religion based
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If everyone calling themselves a muslim was like the secular Christians who put up Christmas lights but don't go to Church every Sunday or study the Bible, then there'd be no terrorists and nobody would have any problem with islam.
Just as you can be a committed Christian and go to Church and read the Bible without wanting to kill people, so you can also be a committed Muslim and go to your Mosque and study the Koran without wanting to kill people. Otherwise, there would be literally millions of terrorists just in Europe.
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Fuck off Islam apologist. Sure, not all muslim are islamist, but all Islamist are muslim.
Not all people in Northern Ireland during the Troubles were terrorists, but all the Northern Irish terrorists during the Troubles were from Northern Ireland, so anyone from Northern Ireland was probably a terrorist.
The argument is ludicrous. Hint: the number of terrorists is tiny compared with the total population.
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Hint: the number of terrorists is tiny compared with the total population.
Hmm. Maybe if we just called them "criminals against society", instead of justifying and explaining their actions as politically or religiously based, it would simplify things.
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Fuck off Islam apologist. Sure, not all muslim are islamist, but all Islamist are muslim.
Not all people in Northern Ireland during the Troubles were terrorists, but all the Northern Irish terrorists during the Troubles were from Northern Ireland, so anyone from Northern Ireland was probably a terrorist.
This. I know this argument borderlines on "no true scotsman" but you can argue that a lot of the people who join Islamic terrorist groups are proper Muslims. A lot wont follow the same tenants as are proselytised by the likes of ISIS, certainly this is the case with most western recruits. Then again, the tenants of groups like ISIS hardly represent the majority of Muslims.
The argument is ludicrous. Hint: the number of terrorists is tiny compared with the total population.
This cannot be understated.
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All Christian terrorists are also Christian! Don't shut your eyes to the truth!
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Yeah, see, it's easier to deal with something that's wider-spread and more innocuous than a concentrated real problem.
Lack of perspective FTW!
Now where'd I keep that Sub-Etha Thumb?
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