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Hippies Say WiFi Network Is Harming Their Chakras 432

Anti-Globalism writes "A group of hippies is complaining that a recently installed WiFi mesh network in the UK village of Glastonbury is causing health problems. To combat the signals from the Wi-Fi hotspots, the hippies have placed orgone generators around the antennae." Although there have been many studies that show no correlation between WiFi and health issues the hippies say, "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."


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Hippies Say WiFi Network Is Harming Their Chakras

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    I've been saying hippies are harming my wifi network for years. Damn hippies.

    • by UncleTogie ( 1004853 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @02:02AM (#26368681) Homepage Journal

      Damn hippies.

      *I'M* a hippie, you insensitive clod!

      THOSE hippies, however, are morons.

      • Re:That's odd... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Torodung ( 31985 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @02:11AM (#26368741) Journal

        If you're a moron, you're not really a hippie. You're just a moron who acts like a hippie.

        You should know that! I'm starting to wonder if you should turn in your Hippie card and "tea set." ;^)

      • Bring in Cartman to fix the situation.

  • Shut up! (Score:5, Funny)

    by fucket ( 1256188 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @02:03AM (#26368685)
    You can't own the electromagetic spectrum, man.
  • Isn't ironic that hippies are harmful to my health.
    • No, it would be a coincidence, even if they are harmful to your health.
  • "Orgone Generators" (Score:5, Informative)

    by Suddenly_Dead ( 656421 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @02:03AM (#26368689)

    One man has even begun making orgone generators, which use crystals, semi-precious stones and gold to purportedly put out positive energy to combat the negative vibes flooding the town from the Wi-Fi base stations.

    Elsewhere: [orgonegenerators.ca]

    Orgone Generators change negative energy from microwaves, TV's, cell phones, computers, fluorescent lighting, automotive wiring, large electrical structures, high voltage lines and step-down electrical transformers, etc. into pure or positive life energy.

    Positive Orgone is also known as Chi(China), Prana(India), and Ki(Japan).

    The basic and simplified theory of how the orgone devices work is that the negative energy is attracted into the device by the organic component and then it gets bounced back and forth between the resin and suspended metal particles. Crystalline structures within the mix cause the energy to get organized and re-radiated as a positive, clean energy.

    Oh yes, these sound like reasonable people.

    • by Rei ( 128717 )

      I'm sure that before they made those claims, they consulted all the sages they could find in yellow pages.

      • by Hal_Porter ( 817932 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @05:52AM (#26369699)

        I'm sure that before they made those claims, they consulted all the sages they could find in yellow pages.

        No way man, experts and sages have all been paid off by Big WiFi.


        Incidentally, does anyone else find it ironic when hippies loudly proclaim that pot is harmless and then show signs of serious paranoia when they explain that it is only illegal because of some complicated conspiracy?

    • by Gandalf_Greyhame ( 44144 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @02:17AM (#26368773) Journal


      One man has even begun making orgone generators, which use crystals, semi-precious stones and gold to purportedly put out positive energy to combat the negative vibes flooding the town from the Wi-Fi base stations.

      I am just sitting here wondering how long it is going to take someone to just pinch them all... surely there would have to be at least a few bucks in gold there. If not, it'd still be fun to pinch them and place them all around the town in people's gardens, on shop roofs, etc.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by ubernostrum ( 219442 )

      Martin Gardner's essay "Wilhelm Reich and the Orgone" is highly recommended reading on the topic (as is, well, pretty much anything he writes debunking pseudoscience).

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by mofag ( 709856 )

      Well from the description it seems unlikely that the orgone generators interfere to any practical extent with the wifi so good for them! If building a few pretty sculptures turns the bad harmful wifi into good life-enhancing wifi then I'll have one too. Perhaps they could partner with Cisco to market value-addded hippie-friendly wifi?

    • Wait... if Orgone Generators convert bad energy into good energy... then wouldn't the Wifi network be increasing the amount of Good energy with sufficient Orgone installation?

      The Wifi installation is actually increasing the input energy amount and should be praised for bring peace and stability.

    • by LoadWB ( 592248 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @04:22AM (#26369327) Journal

      I have to call shenanigans on the whole "negative energy" thing.

      For one example, take a microwave oven. You put something in, turn it on, and the item cooks. That is an exhibit of POSITIVE energy flow. If you put a hippie in the microwave, the magnetron emissions does not suck the life energy out of the hippie, the hippie's life energy is released from its oppressive corporeal representation into the next higher plane. Ergo, another positive energy transfer! Come on, hippies... we are talking technology-assisted ascension!

      And TVs, radios, etc. POSITIVE energy. In all cases we are using technology to enhance nature, similarly to the way hippies use crystals, precious metals, and *ahem* herbs to enhance nature.

      Or at least that is how it works in my head.
      Free Waterfall, Jr.: "We taught a lion to eat tofu!"
      Lion, sickly and emaciated: *cough* *cough*
      Lur: "Ohhhh, there must've been something bad in the hippie I ate..." [/futurama]

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by argStyopa ( 232550 )

        The only reasonable way to test your hypothesis would be to actually STICK a hippy in a microwave. Better still for an adequate statistical sample, perhaps 100 would be better. Then, maybe another 100 with their Orgone generators and see if there is a different result.

        It's really a no-lose experiment.

      • by notnAP ( 846325 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @11:16AM (#26372125)

        All energies that take wave form are positive.

        And then, they're negative.

        And then, they're positive.

        And then, they're negative.

        And then, they're positive.

        And then, they're negative.

        And then, they're positive.

        And then, they're negative.

        And then, they're positive.

        Some make these transformations wicked fast.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Nursie ( 632944 )

      Seriously weird folks.

      If you want to read more about "Orgone" and the crackpot that came up with it, look up Wilhelm Reich.

      I have a wireless router under my bed, near the head end. Strange how I'm not suffering from the "illnesses" these idiots are claiming.

  • by tsa ( 15680 )

    I read once that people who work on the antennas in mobile communication towers suffer from headaches, dizziness, nausea, severe tiredness, brain fog, disorientation and loss of appetite, loss of balance, and an inability to concentrate if they are exposed to the radiation for too long. So maybe those hippies are just extremely sensitive people. Do they use mobile phones?

    • by Joe Tie. ( 567096 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @02:38AM (#26368887)
      They're not. It's been tested far more than something like this deserves. Their problems always magically disappear the second they're put into a double blinded test.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        Their problems don't disappear at all in a double-blind test. They just fail to correlate with the actual presence of the signal. Often their 'problems' become exacerbated and they send themselves mentally into a crisis because of their belief that they are being subjected to RF, even though it happens to be off in that part of the test. These trials usually end up with a significant number of people dropping off due to such 'crises'. Mind you, the symptoms of the 'sensitives' are actually real and can be
    • by topham ( 32406 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @02:40AM (#26368899) Homepage

      Assuming for a moment it's true; are you aware of the inverse-square law?

      Get this, working on an antenna broadcasting at several hundred thousand watts is worse than sitting 2ft from a 1 watt (at most) transmitter...

      • by tsa ( 15680 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @02:48AM (#26368941) Homepage

        Yes I am aware of the inverse square law. My point was that if the hippies really suffer from what they claim, they must be very sensitive to electromagnetic radiation in the microwave range because WiFi usually transmits using even less power than a mobile phone. So if they use mobile phones but say they suffer from the WiFi radiation they're likely to be affected by somethning else. I should have written it down more clearly though.

        • by Nethead ( 1563 ) <joe@nethead.com> on Thursday January 08, 2009 @04:46AM (#26369437) Homepage Journal

          Er, how about us hippie broadcast engineers? I know not to climb a FM tower while it is live and I know not to touch an AM tower and the ground at the same time (you have to jump to the tower to change the light blubs :)

        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by dastasha ( 976179 )
          I served a four year apprenticeship repairing and aligning 100 watt UHF power amplifier modules on a daily basis, among other RF devices. All this was done on a test bench at approximately groin level. Despite the warnings I received at the time, it certainly has not affected my ability to reproduce. I have three normal children to prove this. The closest I ever came to injury from electromagnetic radiation was the odd RF burn on my fingers.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Rennt ( 582550 )
      I've done maintenance work on these antenna's, and the safety warnings are no joke. Worksafe regulations forbid you from hanging in front of the drum unless the powersource has been isolated. A couple of people are killed every year because they didn't follow guidelines and had their internal organs cooked.

      Having said that, wifi (radio frequency radiation) has nothing to do with this kind of high power directed microwave radiation and is completely harmless - just don't get them confused.
      • by Detritus ( 11846 )

        A couple of people are killed every year because they didn't follow guidelines and had their internal organs cooked.

        Cite? I've heard these sea stories for decades. The only factual reports of injuries that I've read involve RF burns and increases in rates of cataracts.

    • Mate, there is a reason why the tranmission towers are turned off when being serviced; I don't know what shit box operation you're running in the US but in most other countries they don't subject employee's to radio waves that can kill birds.

  • making hippies think they are protected from "harmful" radio waves, so other people can enjoy the internet.
  • ...and it makes me feel greater.
    I'll see you sometime later
    When I'm through with my Accumulator.

  • I love it! Replaced my wireless router with Gbit wiring in the house; works much better.
    Will put up a sleeping pyramid and several orgon collectors as well to compensate for the remaining waves.

    I mean - where is all the crap on the planet coming from?

    Nobody gives a shit about it any more. Gotta start somewhere cleaning up.

  • by Tsar ( 536185 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @02:25AM (#26368829) Homepage Journal

    1. Buy a couple hundred acres in the National Radio Quiet Zone [nrao.edu] and build a resort/spa/retirement community for all the well-heeled electromagnetophobes.

    2. Quietly buy up as much of the valley as you can, then support campaigns to get Blue Cross and Medicare to cover electromagnetic hypersensitivity [wikipedia.org].

    3. Profit.

    I'd do it, but I don't believe I could live with myself. Especially if I had to give up ubiquitous broadband.

    • by Bruce Perens ( 3872 ) * <bruce@perens.com> on Thursday January 08, 2009 @02:54AM (#26368965) Homepage Journal
      It's not that quiet there. The coordinator of the zone has been very cooperative with ham radio operators and other users. It's only necessary for the coordinator to protect their radio-astronomy project, not to shut off RF entirely.
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by anaphora ( 680342 ) *
      This place can't be real. If they don't have the internet or radios, how would we have heard about it?
    • I've got an orgone accumulator
      It makes me feel greater
      I'll see you sometime later
      When I'm through with my accumulator
      It's no social integrator
      It's a one man isolator
      It's a back brain stimulator
      It's a cerebral vibrator
      Those energy stimulators
      Just turn your eyeballs into craters
      But an orgone accumulator
      Is a superman creator
      It's no social integrator
      It's a one man isolator
      It's a back brain stimulator
      It's a cerebral vibrator
      I've got an orgone accumulator
      And it makes me feel greater
      I'll see you

    • by Yvanhoe ( 564877 )
      Amish people have a patent for that anyway
  • Commant (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 08, 2009 @02:37AM (#26368881)

    FiWi connectians doesn't mess up your ability to think, you knough.

  • by bornwaysouth ( 1138751 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @02:52AM (#26368955) Homepage

    It is not a bunch of hippies doing the complaining, it is the residents. They have little use for the WiFi, which has been used 422 times in 6 months. I suspect the locals know exactly what they want. Maintaining jobs and a way of life, which draws on 5000 years of hocus pocus. Orgone generators are right in there as a mix of crystals and gold and romanticism.

      As for the headaches? Quite genuine reporting I'd say. My father told me that a satellite receiving station near where he worked was found to generate a wide mix of ills in the 3 months following its official opening. This was not published because it would have embarrassed the Minister. Due to a cock-up in parts supply, they faked the opening and it sat idle but impressive whilst headaches abounded.

    Headaches occur, and people want causes assigned. It's a matter of opinion whether it is better to blame an aerial or a spell cast by a witch. Just so long as the majority have a good laugh in the pub in the off-season. Witchcraft is a bit like Royalty. A good historical reason for people to kill each other, but really just a useful source of tourist dollars these days.

    • See "Bad science" (Score:5, Informative)

      by Kupfernigk ( 1190345 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @04:35AM (#26369387)
      It's worse than you realise. This is being led by people who have a vested interest in peddling FUD - one of the "protestors" claims to run an independent consultancy on EMC, but actually runs a company that sells tinfoil hats and so on. (See the Ben Goldacre Bad Science columns in the Guardian for information). The real issue seems to be that Glastonbury has a small but vocal number of people who don't want the town to develop, and want to stop anything that might make it more attractive to small businesses.

      The local paper (Fosse Way) published this story without the slightest critical analysis whatsoever. As someone who has worked on, inter alia, the EMC Directive, I wrote to them asking whether the person complaining of headaches had taken part in a blind test. Perhaps needless to say, the letter has not been published and indeed I've had no acknowledgement of it.

      BTW, they do not have a "way of life which draws on 5000 years of hocus pocus". The Glastonbury thing dates back to no more than the 19th century: it's as fake as Druidism in Wales. Glastonbury is just a small town in Somerset that used to make its money from the leather industry till it went bust under Thatcher. Now it's a retirement suburb, the most Conservative part of the district. Currently a few protestors are trying to stop the demolition of the old factory buildings to put up an industrial estate - the old buildings cannot be brought up to modern standards and are a complete eyesore.

      Why do I complain about this? Because I live in the part of Somerset that is a net contributor of taxes to keep the residents of Glastonbury from having to have industry and jobs, that's why.

      • Re:See "Bad science" (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Chrisq ( 894406 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @05:31AM (#26369613)
        I know its bad science but I am not sure that it hinders Glastonbury's business. Every other shop sells crystals, mystic books, figurines that will improve yoir fertility and so on. It could even aid business, someone will cash in on the idea that Glastonbury is protected by Orgone generators to sell ones you can take home to protect your own environment.

        As religions go its not that bad. Nobody calls for death to those who use the wrong type of crystal or prefers herbalism to energy fields.
        • Can they get sound-cancelling orgone generators too? Then maybe the locals can quit whining about the noise, and we can get a decent sound system on the Pyramid stage this year...
    • by andersa ( 687550 )

      Main Entry: hippie
      Variant(s): or hippy \hi-p\
      Function: noun
      Inflected Form(s): plural hippies
      Etymology: 4hip + -ie
      Date: 1965

      : a person who rejects the mores of established society (such as WiFi-networks) and advocates a nonviolent ethic ; broadly : a long-haired unconventionally dressed badly informed person
      -- hippiedom \-p-dm\ noun
      -- hippieish \-p-ish\ adjective
      -- hippieness or hippiness \-p-ns\ noun

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      422 users, not uses, which is pretty decent for the cost as is, $34/person/year. That's extremely cost effective, considering that most broadband costs many more times that a year. Not to mention that the number of users is only likely to go up, and the cost per user is more likely to decrease rather than increase. I'm sure that in smallish town like Glastonbury there are plenty of luddite codgers who will always think that virtually any tech is bad and wasteful, and those wankers can fuck off.

      I find it
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by zoney_ie ( 740061 )

      Well, it's a bit worse than people simply attributing existing ills to some piece of technology. It would seem that people, if they think something will make them ill, can indeed make themselves ill to some degree, or at least be convinced that they are ill (which from their perspective, is much the same thing - or even worse, as real cures won't work on the latter). It's the reason that a lot of the superstitious stuff can actually seem to work at times, and why it's quite important not only to combat such

  • I was at Glastonbury for the winter solstice and was chuckling to myself at this story in the local newspaper.

    The company that runs the WiFi also provides some high quality streaming webcams - See for yourself.....


  • by Kierthos ( 225954 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @03:48AM (#26369185) Homepage

    hippies... hippies... they say they want to save the world, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Chrisq ( 894406 )

      hippies... hippies... they say they want to save the world, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.

      Compared with Geeks who drink black coffee and smell bad.

  • I'm an old hippie that is into ham radio, ex-broadcast engineer, wifi junkie, and general RF geek. I can report that my charkras are fine and dandy. See how they glow.

    • by Rolman ( 120909 )
      Then you're in the best position to sell them the service of "fixing and maintaining all the Wi-Fi transmitters so that they are chakra-friendly and give them louder orgasms instead of headaches".

      They could get rid of the 'good-vibe' generators and you get to keep the money. Everybody wins in this stupidity contest.

      Seriously, all superstitious people are a con man's dream.
  • The receptionist at work complained that she started getting rashes and other symptoms after we installed a wifi repeater outside her office door, claiming she's electrical sensitive [wikipedia.org]. The problem was that the wifi wasn't even up and running until a few weeks later when the mesh was finished. And also she doesn't have a problem with the cell phone in her pocket which is orders of magnitude more powerful... And she claims that her alarm radio is sending radio-waves at her during the night and waking her up. T
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Detritus ( 11846 )
      I've discovered, on several occasions, that a visible ham radio antenna will cause large numbers of problems with the television sets and hi-fi systems of my neighbors, even when the antenna has never been connected to a transmitter. Many of the complainants are intelligent people, but the logic center of their brain shuts down when they see an unusual antenna.
  • by Fross ( 83754 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @06:52AM (#26369943)

    Those hippies are going to be royally fucked when they realise the huge ball of incandescent gas at the middle of our solar system is the largest electromagnetic transmitter within several billion miles. How are they going to fix THAT one?

  • by unity100 ( 970058 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @06:53AM (#26369951) Homepage Journal
    as if modern medicine is able to fathom full extent of physiological and psychological issues of homo sapiens sapiens ....

    something not being known yet doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
  • Wifi usually has very low power. DECT is usually much more harmful. It is not such a good idea to keep the wireless phone on the nightstand if it is not in the cradle it keeps radio connection with.

    Electromagnetic radiation can be a real, measurable hazard to health. But usually the worst offender is the radio clock on the night stand less than 50 cm away from your head. Cheaply made and poorly shielded it can have an effect on you body.

    Here is to hippies:
    http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103815/ [southparkstudios.com]

  • Too much pot? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DaveV1.0 ( 203135 ) on Thursday January 08, 2009 @11:03AM (#26371925) Journal

    "headaches, dizziness, nausea, severe tiredness, brain fog, disorientation and loss of appetite, loss of balance, inability to concentrate, loss of creativity"

    Sounds like they have all the symptoms of smoking way too much pot.

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