Student Arrested For Classroom Texting 1246
A 14-year-old Wisconsin girl was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct after she refused to stop texting during a high school math class. The girl denied having a phone when confronted by a school safety officer, but a female cop found it after frisking her. The Samsung Cricket was recovered "from the buttocks area" of the teenager, according to the police report. The girl was banned from school property for a week, and is scheduled for an April 20 court appearance for a misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge. I applaud the adults involved for their discretion and temperance in this heinous case of texting without permission.
Sounds fine to me (Score:5, Insightful)
"heinous case of texting without permission."
I think it has more to do with refusing bit than the texting bit.
Re:Sounds fine to me (Score:5, Funny)
"heinous case of texting without permission."
"from the buttocks area"
Sounds more like an anus case.
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Re:Sounds fine to me (Score:5, Insightful)
At some level, citizens have to submit to authority figures. I'm not saying that we have to blindly follow all edicts, but if a cop pulls you over, you should pull over instead of fleeing. If a student is texting during class, she should stop when asked. Lying about it and causing a kerfluffle about it ought to be punishable. The same would be true if she had been passing notes in class and caused a fuss about it.
The self-professed libertarians here who argue that she should be able to do whatever she wants are missing the fact that this is in class. The education of the class would be impossible if anyone could do whatever they wanted.
Re:Sounds fine to me (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Sounds fine to me (Score:4, Insightful)
First of all - I am not (in all likelihood) paying for her college education. As a property owner, I am paying for her highschool education. She wants to make offensive art in art class or write erotica in creative writing, I have no objection to her doing so, but if the teacher says pay attention and get off the damn phone, then gee, sucks to be you.
I have no sympathy for boredom or dishonesty, nevermind dishonesty fomented by boredom.
Pug
Re:more to do with the refusing (Score:5, Insightful)
Indeed because, as we all know, refusing to comply or follow orders in a non-military school is indeed a crime against all of society punishable by a sentence decreed in a court of law!
Re:more to do with the refusing (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think the parent was trying to say that she did not warrant punishment, just that it shouldn't be a "criminal" case. As annoying and obnoxious as she may have been, it does not warrant having a criminal record! This type of situation should have been dealt with at the school level (suspension, etc) but not in a criminal case.
There are kids that get physically assaulted by other students in high school and all that happens is maybe a suspension the first 3 or 4 times. For these kinds of assaults to get mere administrative punishment and a texter to get a criminal record is absolutely STUPID. It pisses me off when people complain about problems not being dealt with while big important ones get completely ignored.
Re:more to do with the refusing (Score:4, Insightful)
If you have to call the police just because you have a 'disruptive' student silently texting, you won't get much teaching done either, and should be looking for a new profession.
Re:Sounds fine to me (Score:4, Insightful)
Without a doubt. I read the complete police report included with the article and she was an unapologetic liar! Furthermore, she is a repeat offender as evidenced in the police report.
"No, I don't have a phone!" "No! I don't have a phone!" "I told you I don't have a phone!!!" "How'd that get up there?"
I know I probably sound like one of those "Get off my lawn!" old guys, but childhood is PRECISELY about developing character and learning right from wrong. This lying crap-weasel needs a huge lesson in truth and respect. If you ask me, they didn't go far enough.
Re:Lying is not a crime... (Score:4, Insightful)
Lying is not a crime.
Yes it is. It's called fraud. And as part of their education children are taught that lying has consequences. When they reach adulthood the consequences may be more severe.
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Re:Lying is not a crime... (Score:5, Interesting)
From Wikipedia: "In the broadest sense, a fraud is a deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual."
Does the rule of inclusion elude you? Fraud is performed through lying, but lying does not necessarily imply fraud. Just as a DUI requires you to be driving, yet driving is not illegal.
Re:Sounds fine to me (Score:5, Insightful)
The student was issued a criminal citation for disorderly conduct
If I were to guess, I'd say the student escalated the situation to the point where a disorderly conduct citation was appropriate and warranted. The summary makes for fabulous reading with the whole "heinous case of texting without permission" bit, but there's a whole story (that's not detailed in TFA) around how many times she was told to stop, how she reacted when told to stop, how she reacted when told to hand over the phone, etc.
Re:Sounds fine to me (Score:5, Insightful)
oldspewey writes:
"If I were to guess, I'd say the student escalated the situation to the point where a disorderly conduct citation was appropriate and warranted. The summary makes for fabulous reading with the whole "heinous case of texting without permission" bit, but there's a whole story (that's not detailed in TFA) around how many times she was told to stop, how she reacted when told to stop, how she reacted when told to hand over the phone, etc."
Wow.
What could be more germane to an incident report than actions by the student that would warrant an arrest?
"Guessing" that the student did something to warrant an arrest when we have the complaint in front of us (and making no mention of such behavior) is downright bizarre.
Re:Sounds fine to me (Score:4, Insightful)
Bizarre, but quite common. Most people, when presented with some sort of outrageous action by authorities, will rationalize some explanation where the authorities were correct, and refuse to be swayed from it. That's one way authorities get away with as much as they do.
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If I received a forced pat down followed by attempted removal of objects from under my underwear, I know *I* would be engaging in some disorderly conduct.
They went waaay overboard. An escalated response on her part was justified. I rather doubt they had permission to strip search their students.
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cream wobbly writes:
"They felt the need to involve the police because they had no way to remove this pupil otherwise. School personnel have been stripped of their powers of apprehension. You can't detain a school pupil any more -- they have to leave class of their own accord."
Strawman. There's nothing in the complaint about the student being asked to leave, much less refusing.
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Strawman. There's nothing in the complaint about the student being asked to leave, much less refusing.
Well legally they can't ask the student to leave (where would they ask her to go? During school hours teachers are your legal guardians), they can ask her to stop texting and put the phone away (and according to the police report that's what the teacher did.) Other than asking a bunch of times there's not much else the teacher can do. The police wouldn't have arrested the girl had she just stopped texting, listened to the teacher and didn't lie to the police. Plus right at the beginning of the report the of
Re:Sounds fine to me (Score:5, Informative)
Unfortunately that's what happens when you give kids most of the rights of grown-ups, but none of the responsibilities.
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And that would require appointed judges rather than elected dribbling nutcases. Do you think that will change any time soon?
I don't see any difference between judges who are appointed and those elected, really. An idiot judge who doesn't drop kick stupid shit is an idiot regardless. If I had a choice, I'd want fewer appointed judges so we could throw them out on their ass when they start acting like we somehow owe unruly, obnoxious kids (and parents for that matter) something because the kid is too dumb to follow a reasonable instruction to put the damn phone away. You seem to be suggest
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Yeah, well now it's blame everyone else because the precious little snowflake can't possibly be wrong. Even being disobedient in class is ok, because school doesn't matter.
F*cking kids today should count their blessings. My teacher could've walloped me right upside the head and my mother probably would've only double-checked if it was a big mark, I couldn't get away with sh*t in school. Should I be caught, I knew I was dead meat. Teaches you quite a lesson about reality to learn that if you f*ck up, you've
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Not quite sure what you mean by a case "coming to court." If someone sues a school district, they have to pay a lawyer to defend them. Sure, a judge could dismiss the case, but these are often fact-sensitive inquiries. Here is a case from Wisconsin that might explain the school's policy. Child attacked teacher. Child's mother complained to the sh
You reap what you sow (Score:5, Informative)
Snowflake had hidden the 'phone in her underwear so having Police present is the only way to avoid a lawsuit.
Re:You reap what you sow (Score:4, Insightful)
What old TV sitcom do you think we're watching here?
What makes you think it would do anything? (Score:4, Insightful)
1. What makes you think it would do much? If a student is _that_ disruptive, to the point of flat out refusing to cooperate or obey in any form or shape, not to mention the attitude to the cops bit, I'd say the parents aren't too involved in her education, one way or another.
Best case scenario: it's some single mom who threw in the towel long ago. You might make the mom unhappy a bit, she'll sob on some friends' shoulder, but she's not going to even know where to start to discipline her daughter.
Second worst: the parents don't really give a flying fuck in the first place. They just hope that their daughter grows up without much attention, like the tree in the back yard. Or that if someone has to do things right, it's the teacher, society, whoever other than them.
Absolute worst: the parents actually are proud of that antisocial behaviour and encourage it. Behind many a sociopathic school bully is a parent who's proud that his son/daughter looks out for number one and puts those losers in their place. Behind many, "bah, learning is for loser nerds. Who needs it?" attitudes is some parent who slipped through school on the exact same attitude, and still rationalizes it as the right thing.
2. If she refuses to leave class or stop, what are you going to do? Let her sit there and keep making a point of being a git until the parents get there? Even if the parent immediately drops everything and comes over, you're realistically looking at another hour fucked up before they actually get there.
I know people, heck, work with people where the dad commutes half way across the country, the mom commutes two cities away, and either of them can't get home in less than two hours even if they wanted to.
What else can you do? (Score:4, Insightful)
Call their parents (Score:5, Insightful)
First offense, confiscate the phone and give it back at the end of the day.
Second offense, give her in detention, confiscate the phone and require the parents to pick it up in person if they want it back.
Subsequent offenses, repeat step two. The parents will get sick of this pretty quickly, and she will find herself without a phone.
It's not that hard.
Who cares about texting (Score:3, Insightful)
That's a heck of a generalization. If I remember my middle/high school days at all correctly, there's usually not much to do in class. And texting is not disruptive to others... so if you're that bored, why not do something instead of staring at the clock?
I really feel like if teachers would actually focus on education and stop worrying about discipline for discipline's sake, students might actually have a chance at being engaged in lessons.
How much of everybody's ti
Re:What else can you do? (Score:4, Informative)
You can send a kid to the principle's office in every school I've been to and worked in. I know that's only 7 schools but you said "can't."
When I was in HS, 1st time offenders always got sent to their guidance counselors. You'ld have to be doing something unsafe/dangerous/illegal to have the cops called on you.
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I was told by a friend long ago that missing apostrophes are less offensive than spurious ones so when in doubt miss them out!
The city of Birmingham, near where I live, in the south of the UK has decided to drop all apostrophes from signs. Who am I to argue with a budget and population that size!
Re:What else can you do? (Score:5, Funny)
As for having the police arrest a teenager with a phone in their ass, I think their options were pretty limited. Rational people don't put phones in their ass outside of hostage situations so talking them down doesn't seem practical. Allowing a student to keep a phone in their ass doesn't seem like a good idea and going after it seems worse.
Yes, but... (Score:3, Funny)
The real question is, was it set to vibrate? Inquisitive minds want to know.
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if I ran a school, I'd be inspecting the young women for pussy-phones too. you can't be too careful.
Re:What else can you do? (Score:5, Insightful)
Thanks to the fear of lawsuits, teachers aren't allowed to touch the students and searches can only be done by the school cops. So if a student refuses to turn over the phone and do what the teacher says, they HAVE to call the cops, because at that point it becomes an issue of disruption in the classroom. Most urban schools now have cops on campus during school hours, including the Elementary schools, for just this reason. So it isn't a question of overreacting and calling 911. This is just the normal escalation process for a student who started out disobeying a minor rule by texting and then made the matter worse when she refused to turn the phone over to the teacher. The cops were called because of the refusal, not because of the texting.
It ain't the police state that caused this, it's our lawsuit-happy culture. In the old days, the teacher would've just caned the silly kid on the butt and that would have been the end of it.
Childhood is a form of slavery. Parents and society have an obligation at least try to teach kids as much as possible, even when they aren't interested or actively resist. The consequences of not teaching kids things like using math to figure out if they're being scammed, or how to avoid STDs are worse than the consequences of the coercion.
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Then again, this is Wisconsin. In Wisconsin, everyone wears hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people.
For crying out loud, Wisconsin is a state that mandates bannisters and staircases be built to specific specs just so little kids can grip them. If they regulate the petty things, they'll regulate the sweaty things.
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In Wisconsin, everyone wears hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people.
Cow tipping just got a whole lot more interesting.
Re:What else can you do? (Score:5, Insightful)
If they arent disturbing anyone, why is it a problem? It only is going to effect their own grades. .
Oh, I whole heatedly disagree.
Having spent my Junior and Senior year in high school sitting in classes with slack-jawed morons who could barely read at an 8th grade level and whose futures generally involved the question "do you want fries with that?", I can tell you it does more than effect their own grades. The curriculum / classroom changes to fit the lowest common denominator in our public school system.
So instead of kids who want to be there actually being able to learn something, you have an enormous amount of resources / class time going to the morons.
While your grades may not be effected, what you actually learn and therefore your purpose for being there, is.
I gave up on actually showing up for my senior English class when it was the third year out of four that involved reading *the same book* (Fahrenheit 451, which is exceptionally funny since I read it on my own in 7th or 8th grade).
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True.
Most public schools rules, as acts of a government regulatory body within its legal area of competence, have the force of law. Failing to comply with them is breaking the law. It may or may not always be criminal, but that's another issue.
Please provide a reference to the disorderly conduct law applicable to the jurisdiction in question and p
I know a great detention center in PA (Score:5, Funny)
Combine this with another Slashdot story... (Score:5, Funny)
Hmm, this "phone in the butt" story appeared just after the bar of soap [slashdot.org] phone story... cue jokes about bending over.
Don't they send kids to the Vice Principal? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Don't they send kids to the Vice Principal? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Don't they send kids to the Vice Principal? (Score:5, Informative)
Cite an example of this ever happening for similarly-mundane infractions.
If [stpns.net] you [nospank.net] insist. [nwi.com]
Those're from the first page of a Google search.
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Probably not anymore. Some parents are only too happy to sue or threaten to sue the district for actually trying to educate or discipline the students.
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Don't schools have any discretion or judgment left to them anymore?
No, they have zero tolerance rules. Or as I like to call them zero judgment rules.
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This lying crap-weasel of a girl needs a life-lesson that apparently hasn't been taught by her parents.
This is a rather nation-wide problem as more and more parents neglect to teach their children to behave properly. And this wasn't exactly a first-time incident for this girl as you should have read in the report issued. I remember the first and only time my oldest son stole some markers from another student. Sure, I bought him his own set of markers, but I also made him return the markers to the other s
Sounds like a T-Mobile commercial (Score:4, Funny)
"No more butt-dialing!"
I saw the video of this (Score:3, Funny)
Good job by the school (Score:4, Insightful)
Hang on... (Score:5, Informative)
Before everyone goes spouting off about how we're becoming a police state, has anyone (including submitter) bothered to read the linked police report? The cop refers to "prior negative contacts" with this person for both him and the administration. The chick ignores the teachers, lies to the cops, and brazenly continues to text in class. It's too bad the cops had to waste cycles getting involved, but judging from the police report the school personnel were at the end of their rope.
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Excuse me, but how the heck else do you do deal with the student? She said "No" and remained uncooperative. The teachers have no power to do anything else - they can't touch the student and the "school safety officer" is just an extension of the teachers - no authority and no power. They can't detain the student or physically restrain her.
The other alternative is to just let it continue - there are no other options available to schools today.
Escalation (Score:4, Insightful)
I've personally been involved in situations where a student's refusal to cooperate lead to the situation escalating far beyond what was necessary. I think sometimes they believe that if they dig in their heels, nothing bad will happen and the adult will let up. They don't understand that digging in just escalates the situation. When I encounter such a student, I usually have to explain the complete consequences of their actions (including ultimately getting cuffed and hauled out if need be), before they relent.
From reading the report, it's pretty clear that the student had multiple opportunities to come clean before being arrested, and refused to take advantage of them. Yes, I agree that arresting the girl was overkill, but the report mentions that the officer had prior [negative] dealings with the student before, so I would suspect that there is a story here that goes back a little farther than "ZOMG STUDENT ARRESTED FOR TEXTING." Arresting the girl was overkill *if* this was her first disciplinary issue. If this is one of a long string of issues, it's a different story. When sane, measured discipline isn't getting through to a kid, it may be a good time to over-react and try to get the kid's attention.
I don't know the kid, and I don't know her history, so I can't judge whether or not the officer was out of line. I can imagine plenty of scenarios where it is, and plenty where it isn't. I've had students get in a disproportionate amount of trouble for similarly stupid reasons, and it usually plays out the same way: a student with a long disciplinary history tries to press their luck over something moronic, and comes up with the short straw.
Re:Escalation (Score:5, Insightful)
not arrested for texting. (Score:4, Insightful)
The student was not arrested for texting. The student was arrested for refusing to turn over the phone and lying to the instructor and the police officer about it.
Had this student turned over the phone to the instructor, there likely would have been a small punishment, perhaps confiscation of the phone and detention. Now this kid gets a juvenile record (purged at 18), a court appearance, and will perhaps learn a lesson...
Re:Mandated (Score:4, Funny)
Who wants to make the grammar joke?
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Your mandated to be in schools. Your not mandated to pay attention.
Who wants to make the grammar joke?
His statement speaks for itself. That's the joke here.
Aside from the humor, he does make a valid point.
Re:Mandated (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Mandated (Score:5, Informative)
Apparently you did not read the criminal complaint. The student was "known to the security officer" as a problem , and had "negative contacts" with the administrators in the past. Sounds to me like a problem child, who continued to act out, from a broken home, had repeatedly ignored the rules, assuming that she could skate out of all trouble. And since it was school she probably could, but in this case, they decided to file the charges. Finally she is forced to have a little accountability for her actions.
Not only did she lie about her actions, she repeatedly gave false numbers to the school for contacting her parents, and wasted several hours of the school employees time. She ought to be billed by the school district for the amount of time wasted by her.
Treat teenagers like adults they act like adults. Don't and they will always act like little children.
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Finally she is forced to have a little accountability for her actions.
It's still a bit harsh for the actual offense, arbitrary accountability isn't going to curb her immaturity, she's just going to think "The adults here are idiots." And rightfully so, criminal charges for this are ridiculous even given her troubles.
Treat teenagers like adults they act like adults. Don't and they will always act like little children.
Given some adult idiots and their cell phone behaviors (like, say, talking about sex lives on a crowded bus), I wouldn't say this is acting like a child, I'd say this is acting like an adult with a cell phone.
Re:Mandated (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually it's adults acting like children, probably because they never got smack down as a child.
Reminds me of a time when I was sitting with an old friend in a coffee house. The friend was a former DEA undercover, who looked about 10 years younger than he was, so they would send him into schools to bust drug dealers. We're having our coffee while the group of teenagers behind us is talking about the pot they scored next door in the alley. After listening to them for about 20 minutes or so, my friend casually leaned over and said, "You know, I don't care if you want to screw with your own mind, but you do realize that everyone here could hear every word you said?" When they replied, "So what?" He pulled out his badge, flashed it, and said, "Cause you never know when they guy next to you works for the DEA. You get one pass, next time be a little brighter."
I had never before seen people piss their pants in public before, but MAN did they move getting the heck out of there.
Re:Mandated (Score:4, Insightful)
It probably goes like this. 1) School officer has no legal authority to "frisk" students without their conent. (If they try, they risk a law suit), 2) Student refuses to consent to frisking, and refuses to cooperate. 3) Police are called, at which point school has no more say in the matter 4) Police are pissed off at having been called, and decide to charge student with disorderly conduct and being a pain in the ass.
At step 2), we don't know why the school couldn't handle this internally. I'm sure that they would have if they could have. No school principal / board wants this kind of publicity if they can avoid it!
We don't know this, but I suspect that this girl has a long history of being disruptive and uncooperative at school. The school has probably tried all sorts of other things in the past, to no avail. The principal probably (very bravely IMO) figured that calling the police might actually get through this girl's thick skull that being a disruptive pain in the ass is a REALLY BAD IDEA. And it might get her parents' attention as well.
Re:Mandated (Score:5, Insightful)
Actions have consequences.
Yes and consequences of this action should be either detention or in school suspension.
Re:Mandated (Score:5, Insightful)
"No."
"Ok, then you're suspended, leave school."
"No."
If someone disregards the authority of a teacher, what makes you think they'll suddenly start respecting it when the punishment is upped?
Re:Mandated (Score:5, Insightful)
I read the article, and the redacted transcript, and there's no sign of them issuing her with a detention, or a suspension. Besides which, when a child is suspended you call their parents and request for them to pick them up, not kick them off the grounds (duty of care).
In the end it's the parents you escalate to in a situation like this, not police. There's a whole process beyond that, including a school pscyh councilor, more suspension and then expulsion before you anything like this should happen.
Re:Mandated (Score:5, Insightful)
So, given that my point what "none of that works if the child doesn't cooperate" do you have any suggestions that don't require exactly that?
Detenion: Refuse
Suspension: Refuse
Parents: Withhold the contact
councilor: Refuse
I understand that these are routes that went untried, but I think it's misguided to assume they would have had a different result given the attitude of the child in question.
Re:Mandated (Score:4, Insightful)
I agree.
In this day and age, kids seem to be getting overdoses of "it's a free country and I want my rights", giving them absurd senses of entitlement over anything and everything.
Seriously, society has gone mad. The concept of individual rights has been twisted into some disfigured unrecognizable mass of idiocy. We can't spank our kids any more, which is why the current generation is such a rabble of unruly, apathetic, self-centered brats. On the other hand, civil liberties are so far gone that we can't protest outside of designated protest zones.
Kids need spankings. It's worked for thousands of years of human behavioral evolution. Governments need checks. Demonstrated over thousands of years of human social evolution.
People, its time to pull our heads out of our asses.
Re:Mandated (Score:5, Insightful)
When I was a kid I was a fairly well behaved boy, one of the other kids I grew up with was not. He was spanked regularly because he frequently acted out and was violent and destructive.
Now, true, he was not helped, he's still a moron, BUT, my desire to avoid a similar fate lead me to be very well behaved. There are some kids that can't be helped, but that doesn't mean that making an example of them can't yield fringe benefits.
Re:Mandated (Score:5, Interesting)
Anecdotal evidence of course, but, it sure kept my young ass in line. I respected authority, I learned to avoid an ass whuppin' by doing what I was supposed to.
I've noticed too...there seems to be a steady decline of child discipline and respect for adults and authority since we stopped corporal punishment.
Hell, back when I grew up, it wasn't just your parents...ANY parent in the neighborhood could full well swat your ass if you acted up, and they'd call your parents (who were thankful for the help) and you'd likely get another one when you got home.
Try that today..and the parent/neighbor is a criminal....
Re:Mandated (Score:5, Insightful)
Research on behavior modification shows that punishment (like, say, spanking) results in escape and avoidance behaviors and usually results in people reverting to the unwanted behavior once the source/threat of punishment is taken away. Positive reinforcement for wanted behaviors (and removing the reinforcement in response to unwanted behaviors) is more effective, longer lasting, and generally results in a more psychologically healthy individual.
And, just for some anecdotal evidence, I worked for 3 years in a group home for abused and emotionally disturbed children. The ones who were physically beaten seemed to have learned from their parents not how to behave properly, but that anger and violence are the way to respond to someone who does something you don't like.
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Time for reductio ad absurdum. "Seriously? That guy didn't obey the cops when they told him to rape his sister. He deserved to get shot in the forehead at point-blank range." See how absurd an appeal to authority sounds when taken to extremes?
You are right that actions have consequences; in school, those consequences rarely, if ever, escalate beyond detention---suspension if you've gotten three detentions in a row. Unless there's a lot more to this story, calling the cops because a teenager wouldn't qui
Re:Mandated (Score:5, Informative)
She then proceeded to lie to the officer regarding the phone number that could be used to contact her parents. After eventually getting in contact (presumably by requesting the information from the school records), her mother was contacted and informed that her daughter would be searched. At that point, the female officer (who had been sent) proceeded to perform the search. Where the phone which belonged to her father was found.
This is not the case of an officer immediately arresting her because she was texting. It was an officer who arrested her after he confirmed that several people had seen her texting despite being asked not to. He even stated that her arrest was partially due to her continued lying.
Re:Mandated (Score:4, Insightful)
So its a criminal offense to text during class? I must be missing something...
Re:Mandated (Score:4, Informative)
This absurdity I would assume stems from what's called "resist, obstruct or delay" around here, but similar statues are common across the country. Basically this gem of the legal system makes it illegal to lie to a cop, or not give them any information they ask for. Apparently the right to remain silent doesn't apply until you're actually under arrest.
I personally have had the misfortune to be arrested and charged with this. I was at a friends house, and was taking a nap on the couch while they had gone out to the store. They came home while I was asleep and didn't wake me. I awoke to a loud pounding on the door right next to the couch. I got up and opened the door to see a cop standing there. They asked if my friend was home. I said "I don't think so" and looked over my shoulder. While my head was turned the cop said "I'm going to look around" and walked right past me into the house and into my friends bedroom. They found him laying on the bed and arrested him (he had a warrant for a failure to appear), and then walked back into the living room, looked at me and said "I'm arresting you for resist obstruct or delay" and handcuffed me and took me to jail where I spent the next 2 days.
I got the charge dropped after shelling $600 out on a lawyer and doing 24 hours of community service, all for saying "I don't think so."
Re:Mandated (Score:4, Interesting)
Overreact much? Kids will be kids and any adult that expects that kind of obedience is better off being wrong. This happened in the US where much of our wealth ultimately comes from that sort of "attitude problem." Just because adults can behave in anti-social ways because of their power doesn't mean that it's appropriate to do so.
Fires are a very different matter, I can not conceive of a way in which that analogy is cogent. Like it or not in most places kids do not have the option of withdrawing from schools or moving over to other ones just because they're not being appropriately taught.
The scary thing is that this sort of thing happens every generation and yet we've yet to get even a single generation that doesn't get drunk on power when it's their turn.
Re:Mandated (Score:4, Insightful)
There. Fixed that for ya.
Re:Mandated (Score:4, Insightful)
Consequences that are way out of proportion like the relevant case are tyranny.
On the other hand, as I'm fairly confident that this will go nowhere, it makes for a good story when she's older.
Re:Mandated (Score:5, Funny)
Good move! Save time for the important things in life, like self-indulgent narration of things you didn't do.
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I think you mean "yore". Next time pay attention in school instead of sending texts.
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You are mandated to shut up, not text or do anything. Lest the cops come in and frisk your ass (and subsecuently finds a not-illegal item).
Poor kids.
Its good they have no rights. This way they can find out early that "rights" are not for everyone. Hell, as time passess, it seems they are for noone.
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The police report stated that she was arrested for lying to a police officer. It also stated that she had "prior negative contacts" with the school administration and the local police.
Re:schools have rules for a reason (Score:5, Insightful)
There is a difference between playful misconduct and willful disobedience. Historically the former was handled with detention and the latter with corporal punishment. Since corporal punishment has all but been made illegal what tool do you use?
So the only choices to deal with the willful disobedience of a minor are physical beating or arrest by the police? Who the hell modded that insightful?
Re:WTF?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Fixed it for ya. Seriously, they are in school to pay attention and learn, not sit there an text people.
Re:WTF? Seconded (Score:3, Funny)
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Fixed it for ya. Seriously, they are in school to pay attention and learn, not sit there an text people.
There fixed it even more for ya. It has been my experience that in most cases where kids misbehave or do things for attention its usually the fault of the parents for either not taking an active enough role in their child's life or for not properly reprimanding them when they act out.
I never did shit like this in school, and if I had, one call to my mother and my ass would have been in a sling.
Her favorite line "I brought you into this world, I can take you out!"
spare the rod and spoil the child indee
Re:I don't have a problem (Score:5, Funny)
I think you are supposed to give them a trophy or something.
It helps with their self esteem;-)
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You out the part where you had to fight through the guard dogs just to make it to class in Soviet Russia.
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Wrong.
No basis to search the girl? You should really read the article. She was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct. Hate to break it to you sport, but you get frisked anytime you get arrested.
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Wrong.
"Disorderly conduct" is what the cops use when they want to arrest you but can't name an actual crime. Did you honestly not know this already?
Case in point: the cops never saw her use the phone, because they had to frisk her to prove that she had one.
I hate to tell you this, son, but the school and the cops went nuclear way too soon, and have asked for a lawsuit.
Re:How do you know? (Score:4, Interesting)
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It's by design that teachers teach you to live in a prison. Public schools were designed around ideas born from the old craftsmen shops of the Industrial Revolution period.
I'm not sure I follow your solution. I don't think children are capable of making decisions regarding their education. Many parents are just as incapable. There should never be an opt-out option for school. I've known individuals who dropped out of school prior to high school with the support of their parents just cause they didn't like s
Re:Hmm.. (Score:4, Interesting)
Education is not required by law school attendance is.
The reason for school is to cage all the kids, free up more adults for the workforce and to train the next generation of worker bees. Follow orders blindly, do as everyone else does, do not question imposed authority etc is what you are taught in school. But most of all do not think for yourself, do not hold independent ideas and do not think you know better than those in charge.
As an adult with a honors degree etc and 20+ years of work experience in engineering I am 100% against mandatory schooling the damage done to the young mind is devastating and in the majority of cases irreversible.
Your post would seem to show a remarkable lack of thinking on just what School is and is for. I would suggest you read how and why mandatory schooling was introduced in the US.
Re:Hmm.. (Score:5, Insightful)
I live in what most people call a 3rd world country (but we are delusional about it and call it "In ways of development"), I'm currently aspiring for a master degree, have 10+ years of work experience, and I think that the biggest problem in this nation is not drug cartels, is the lack of education for the general public.
While the elementary education is mandatory by law, the reality is that just a tiny fraction of the population here actually learns to read and write. I agree that 10 years of education makes your mind work in a very "deterministic" way, but I can't imagine a worse way.
Maybe I'm wrong.
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As the teacher, how exactly would you enforce the confiscation?
Teacher: Put your cell phone away--no texting in class
Student: No
Teacher: Okay, give me your phone. You can get it back after school.
Student: (Sits on phone) No!
Teacher: That's it. Go to the office
Student: No!
Where would you go next?
Physical intervention? Historically, that would have been the way to go--a smack across the wrists with a ruler and dragged off to the principal's office by the ear. Not really an option anymore though. Assault
Re:This is stupid. (Score:5, Insightful)
In this day and age.. "in loco parente" has been crushed by all the parents suing schools and teachers..
Re:was the texting disruptive? (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, at least in the schools I went to, sleeping in class wasn't allowed either, and thats not disruptive.
Still, I'd see it as a preventive step. Texting in class isn't a big deal, but texting during an exam (which often happens in the same room, under similar circonstances) can have pretty dire consequences.
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I thought the problem was that they were supervising and disciplining the child, just not the way you thought best. Unless you give the "proper" way to do it when someone flouts the rules and refuses to leave when asked, I have to presume you don't know what you are talking about.