Decency Group Says "$#*!" Is Indecent 821
The Parents Television Council says the "$#*!" in the title of the upcoming CBS show $#*! my dad says is indecent. From the article: "'CBS intentionally chose to insert an expletive into the actual name of a show, and, despite its claim that the word will be bleeped, it is just CBS's latest demonstration of its contempt for families and the public,' declared PTC President Tim Winter. 'There are an infinite number of alternatives that CBS could have chosen, but its desire to shock and offend is crystal clear in this decision.'" By this logic Qbert was the filthiest game ever made.
All I have to say is: (Score:5, Funny)
Fuck the fucking fuckers!
Re:All I have to say is: (Score:5, Funny)
Re:All I have to say is: (Score:5, Funny)
"Hey look, it's the Expletive Formerly Known As Fuck."
Re:All I have to say is: (Score:5, Insightful)
I find the bleeping indecent.
Re:All I have to say is: (Score:5, Insightful)
THIS.
I don't know if you were being serious or not, but when someone hears, say, the word "fuck" in real life, most stable-minded individuals would not think a thing of it. It's just a word.
However, when you instead bleep it out, you are stating that that word is not just another word, it is something indecent and taboo that much be censored. In short, it's not the word "fuck" that is the issue, it's people who think the word "fuck" is the issue who are the real issue.
PS: I want to skullfuck the bastard who designed idle's CSS, particularly the retarded comment field. Seriously, just why...
Re:All I have to say is: (Score:5, Funny)
Re:All I have to say is: (Score:5, Informative)
I think you meant to post "$#*! the $#*!ing $#*!ers!"
Actually, in this context, $#*! stands for shit, not fuck. As in Shit My Dad Says [shitmydadsays.com].
I suggest a name change (Score:5, Funny)
Just call the show "2 Girls 1 Cup". No one could say that name is indecent.
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It's worth mentioning who's behind this phony "Parents Television Council".
The PTC was founded by L. Brent Bozell III (you know the initial for a first name is a bad sign), a nephew of ur-conservative William F. Buckley. He is also the founder of the Conservative News Service (CNS), the Conservative Political Action Conference, and Conservative Communications Center (C
Re:All I have to say is: (Score:5, Funny)
I don't understand. What does the Parents Television Council have against children learning Perl?
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;)
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Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie show the correct way to deal with a complaint such as this [youtube.com].
ignore them and show it anyway (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:ignore them and show it anyway (Score:4, Funny)
More like for(bad=swearing; bad=kill; bad++){ do(bad);}
Re:ignore them and show it anyway (Score:5, Insightful)
No, it would be better to subtly taunt them to make complete fools of themselves and lose whatever credibility they still might have.
Re:ignore them and show it anyway (Score:5, Insightful)
I definitely concur with you. Ignore them and they become increasingly annoying until you can't ignore them any more; pester and ridicule them, and they throw a hissy fit and shut up.
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Because ridiculing people who take themselves seriously is, in fact, an effective tactic to make them go away.
Re:ignore them and show it anyway (Score:5, Interesting)
it would be better to subtly taunt them to make complete fools of themselves
This may be what has happened, since after all, this group DID just make complete fools of themselves.
I'm hoping this is what happened
-CBS execs try to decide what shows to put on the air next, cause they're scraping the bottom of the barrel
-Out of the blue, this idiot group approaches them and pre-emptively warns that if they were to make a show with an obviously censored word in the title, they'll protest it.
-CBS execs find this hilarious (and realize an opportunity for free slashvertising), scramble to find a show that uses a censored word as part of the title
-CBS execs realize that the only way to make this even funnier is if they make the show based on, of all things, a twitter feed [twitter.com]
-Censorship advocates rebel in exactly the braindead way they said they would, execs and the rest of us get a good laugh and hopefully a few more people realize that there's no point in getting offended at words (or symbols standing in for words).
As Justin's dad's most recent quote, probably on this very topic: "They're offended? Fuck, shit, asshole, shitfuck; they're just words...Fine. Shitfuck isn't a word, but you get my point."
Seriously, I object to a show being based on a twitter post, but at least they picked the best one and did the title well. The rest of it might be a trainwreck, but it's off to a great start.
Re:ignore them and show it anyway (Score:5, Funny)
The rest of it might be a trainwreck, but it's off to a great start.
It stars Shatner and it might be a trainwreck?
Re:ignore them and show it anyway (Score:5, Funny)
It stars Shatner and it might be a trainwreck?
You mean it stars $#4!ner.
In Britain "$#4!" is a colloquial past tense of "to $#*!" as in "he $#4! his pants".
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Did they even google "tea bagging" before they started that?
Oh not googling is not the bad part.
The bad part, is they did google it.
Doesn't always work (Score:2)
The vocal minority of folks with too much time on their hands and no dignity beg to differ.
Go to any public meeting (especially if it's during working hours) and see what I mean.
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I learned long ago that any organization with the word "Parent" in the title has little to do with 99.999% of parents. They will however account for 99% of the complaint form letters sent to the FCC.
Re:ignore them and show it anyway (Score:5, Insightful)
Here's a little dose of understanding and compassion to balance your frustration:
Babies usually cry because of discomfort or pressing need for something.
Bed-wetting is not a choice.
Finding someone else's otherwise harmful behavior intolerable reveals severe discomfort to an internal reaction to said behavior. That's usually caused by severe conditioning. The results are fear, anger, ignorance and damage. I can imagine this is intolerable I can understand the overwhelming need for controlling others.
Of course, in a free society, allowing damaged minds to change everybody else, instead facing their own discomfort, is too high a price to pay. It is letting a mentally unbalanced individuals to dictate the reality for everyone. No need to re-enfoce this millennia-long tendency.
Unfortunately they are also very determined and violent as a result of their sickness.
Re:ignore them and show it anyway (Score:5, Funny)
Fuck right off. (Score:5, Insightful)
CSI shows chest cavaties that have been ripped open. Law and Order discussed horrible sex crimes. But heaven forbid you say a naughty word!
Didn't South Park already cover this [wikipedia.org]?
Re:Fuck right off. (Score:5, Insightful)
But heaven forbid you say a naughty word!
Heaven forbid you imply a naughty word.
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Re:Fuck right off. (Score:4, Interesting)
Heaven forbid you imply a naughty word.
(disclaimer: i'm a christian)
My grandfather was really "out there" as christians go. He forbade his kids (my father included) from saying words like "heck" or "darn" because when you say that, you mean the other word.
I think he was nuts. Profanity is something that's a part of the language. People are going to use it no matter how much you complain. So it's silly to get all upset about it. I've taught my kids not to abuse profanity (with varying degrees of success). Mainly because spewing profanity makes you look like an uneducated dolt.
But turning it into some huge no-no and making a big deal out of it only leads to kids wanting to use it more so they can be "bad". It's like the drinking age. If you stop people from drinking until they're 21, they do it anyway, and maybe go a little crazy on their 21st birthday. Remove the stigma of being "bad" and no one cares about it anymore.
I'm far more concerned with the nudity, violence, child-targeted advertising, mindless "culture", and raw stupidity. But I don't care what they put on tv. Almost none of it is worth watching anyway. So we simply don't have cable.
Re:Fuck right off. (Score:5, Funny)
I feel bad for you. My grandfather was fucking awesome and would occasionally even use fancy curse words like 'shitass' and 'fuckered' around us grandkids.
Note: He was a sailor in WW2.
(disclaimer: I once considered myself a christian then woke up one day and realized it was all goddamn make-believe bullshit) (subdisclaimer: you can thank the baptists for my initial realization of the truth behind 'the Word')
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He forbade his kids (my father included) from saying words like "heck" or "darn" because when you say that, you mean the other word. I think he was nuts.
That's the problem with a ban on profanity. If you take it to its logical conclusion, then implying the meaning of profane words is no different than using them explicitly.
That said, I don't have a problem with people who don't want their kids to use certain words, though my reasoning isn't moral; it's practical. It's important to be able to communicate
Re:Fuck right off. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Fuck right off. (Score:5, Informative)
As someone who has read English literature for the last 400 years
Bloody hell you're an old bugger. Or did you mean from the last 400 years?
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My choice is to read and not to watch the networks
You do realize that the show is based on a book, right?
Re:Fuck right off. (Score:5, Funny)
Quite a surprising number have even declared it to be Holy!
Re:Fuck right off. (Score:5, Informative)
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Didn't South Park already cover this [wikipedia.org]?
Simpson's did it too
Re:Fuck right off. (Score:5, Interesting)
Replace the Anglo-Saxon word "shit" with the Frankish word "poo" and then everything will be a-okay. (Yes our US FCC really is that stupid and inconsistent.)
Re:Fuck right off. (Score:5, Insightful)
In this case, most people who are opposed to sex and certain words on TV are also opposed to violence on TV. For various reasons, that's how the compromise ended up. And they will continue the fight to reduce violence, and others will continue the fight to get swearing and sex on TV. That's how politics, and society, works. We wouldn't survive without compromise.
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Society isn't about being win-win for everyone, it's about finding a way we can all live together.
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They're right! (Score:5, Funny)
Kids should never be exposed to the symbols $#*!. They should have &^@%ed those symbols out.
Re:They're right! (Score:5, Funny)
Just imagine what unicode is going to do to the minds of children and all those symbols...
Re:They're right! (Score:5, Insightful)
$ is probably the most violent symbol of all.
Re:They're right! (Score:5, Insightful)
WTF ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Are these people so repressed that even the suggestion of a "naughty word" is enough to get them complaining ?
Have they really got nothing better to do with their time ?
I thought the Puritan movement died out in the 17th century, obviously I was wrong.
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I thought the Puritan movement died out in the 17th century, obviously I was wrong.
Where the hell have you been?
I guess it has changed a little. Offenses that used to be punishable by stoning, now only land you in rehab.
Re:WTF ? (Score:5, Insightful)
> Offenses that used to be punishable by stoning, now only land you in rehab.
True, but that's not due to a softening of hearts in the Puritan movement, but a steady waning of their influence.
As Christopher Hitchens says, never forget how these people behaved back when they had enough power to do whatever they wanted.
CBS chose to *insert* an expletive? (Score:5, Insightful)
How have they missed the fact that "Shit My Dad Says" is the title of the source material? Complaining that CBS chose to "insert" the word into the title makes them look like the people who were horrified that New Line Cinema decided to use an obvious 9/11 reference in the sequel to "Fellowship of the Ring"..."The Two Towers."
(All that said, I could have sworn I read somewhere that CBS had retitled the TV show as "Stuff My Dad Says," but I guess I misremembered.)
Re:CBS chose to *insert* an expletive? (Score:4, Insightful)
Complaining that CBS chose to "insert" the word into the title makes them look like the people who were horrified that New Line Cinema decided to use an obvious 9/11 reference in the sequel to "Fellowship of the Ring"..."The Two Towers."
I know! It makes no sense to blame New Line when it's obviously Tolkien who made that crass and innappropriate 9/11 reference!
Hobbit radicals (Score:3, Funny)
That's right (Score:2)
It's indecent.
Half of what airs on TV is indecent.
And you are offended by a censored TITLE?
Perhaps if you watched any of the Soap Operas they air on daytime TV, you'd re-consider how decent you thought TV was in the first place.
What the #$(@ (Score:2)
Decency Groups says.... (Score:2)
"...If you don't like the show, use the "OFF" button"
oh! ermmm... They didn't say that did they!
Sorry...
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brain damage (Score:2)
How fucked in the head do you have to be for $#*! to be offensive... There's nothing there!
Languages Change (Score:5, Insightful)
Not that I agree, but I understand where they are coming from.
If the 'F' word is banned in your school and the kids all of a sudden decide to say the word 'Squash' in lieu of the naughty word, eventually they become synonymous. Saying "Squash you, Mr. Teacher" is still potentially going to get you in trouble if the teacher knows what "Squash" means in that context.
So, the question really is, is the putting together of the letters F-U-C-K naughty, or the meaning and/or implied meaning of the word the naughty bit?
If it's the latter, then _any_ substitution of the word still implies the word and carries the negative connotation along with it.
Again, I don't agree with it and frankly, I think all words should be allowed. It's all part of the language and any negative feelings you have to a word are _your_ problem.
Re:Languages Change (Score:5, Insightful)
That treads on dangerous territory though.
When we get into synonyms, then really, the un-#(@)#'ed title is "Shit My Dad Says". Now, we know they're not talking literally about feces. They're just using a more laid back way to say "stuff".
Should the word "stuff" be illegal? Should the very word "intercourse" be illegal, as it has exactly the same meaning as "fuck"? Should it be illegal to say "a child without a father", since it is synonymous with "bastard"?
When you start trying to ban substitutions because they "mean the same thing" then you're literally encountering a roadblock that will prevent the language from working properly. There will be entire situations and scenarios that are literally non-describable because the very discussion of that situation is forbidden.
No, I say we need to dispense with the notion of "profane speech" entirely. Rude speech will continue to be rude (IE, "I fucking hate you." is the same in meaning as "I hate you.", because the idea conveyed is the same), whilst positive speech that contains words that have been deemed taboo (Ie, "That's fucking awesome!") will retain it's meaning as well.
Then people can judge speech by it's true meaning rather than the words used to convey that meaning.
Re:Bad words defined (Score:5, Informative)
Oh yeah?
Why is 'crap' not a bad word, then? Please explain the distinction between 'shit' and 'crap' for all of us. Likewise, the distinction between 'whiz', 'piss', and 'pee'.
And what the hell does toilet training have to do with anything? You're just trying to exclude 'childish' words like 'poop', but that's a rather idiotic slang distinction and doesn't have much to do with anything.
Likewise, the word 'sex', itself, is fairly new slang. The first recorded instance of it referring to intercourse is barely 80 years old, before that, it referred entirely to the distinction between male and female. It's from 'sexual intercourse', which actually meant 'intercourse with the parts of the body that differ between men and women'. Which poses some interesting etymological issues when speaking of 'gay sex', as that would be the opposite of sex, but whatever.
And yet nowadays we have judges talking about 'sex acts' and whatnot. (Which would technically mean 'acts that differ between the sex'.) Language changes. Slang changes to language, languages becomes outdated. Words become offensive, or acceptable.
And you really need to just accept that we just made up the damn distinctions. There seems to be a medical and legal exception, in that no matter what the word is, no one can actually complain if you're using those terms in that sense, but the rest of the distinction, the entire
Incidentally, bastard is a legal term. It's not used that often in the modern era because a) not a lot of law rely anymore on whether or not someone is born in wedlock (Inheritance law based on that actually was ruled unconstitutional in the US.), and b) it is gender specific. However, it is still a legal term, especially in places [wikipedia.org] that do hereditary titles. (And note that's the least offensive term..the other term is, believe it or not, 'whoreson'.)
Re:Languages Change (Score:5, Interesting)
Your post directly relates to something we're going through at our house. Our 5 year old is intrigued with what words he can't say, and which ones he can. And he's pushing it as far as he can, without getting in trouble. My wife and I don't swear in front of the children, and we don't listen to music or TV that does. There's a line somewhere between not wanting your kids to have a potty mouth vs allowing your child to express himself. Anyway my child came home from school one day, "Daddy, can I say damnit?" No son, you can't say damnit. Can I say dangit? Yes.
He comes home a few weeks later. Daddy, can I say "What the." (As in WTF but without the F) After a little deliberation, we said OK. How can the words What and The be considered offensive. Well, after about a week of "What the..." I can't stop completing that sentence in my head. We finally changed our rule and told him that even though those aren't bad words, the way he's saying it isn't very nice. He made the decision that he doesn't want to do something that's 'ugly' and doesn't say it any longer.
And as for the _your problem_ I agree and I disagree. In our house, we monitor what the kids watch. There's a number of cartoons (chowder) that we don't allow them to watch because they are do visually or verbally suggestive. That is OUR problem to monitor the kids. The problem lies in the fact that despite our best efforts, we're not alway going to be there. I don't want to be way over protective, but he's just five. I don't want him hearing things while we're walking around in public that we find offensive.
not sure where I was going with all this, been interrupted so many times, I've lost my point. Sorry!
Do these people live in reality? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah cause you never hear people say "shit" or much worse in about any situation I have ever been in during my life. I heard it at my Catholic primary school. This is what happens when "Christians*" live in little gated communities and become completely out of touch with reality and the wider community.
* I am a Christian. Most of the people that whine about this stuff aren't really Christians. They just believe in ritual and "decency", they seem to miss that Jesus was mocking this kind of Pharisaical behaviour. Well actually they generally miss most of what Jesus said or at least fail to apply it.
Re:Do these people live in reality? (Score:5, Informative)
Of course not. It is an English word, and English hadn't been invented yet. However, you're wrong about the bible not condemning bad language:
Mat 5:22
James 3:9-11
Ephesians 4:29
Colossians 3:7-8
Proverbs 4:24
Re:Do these people live in reality? (Score:5, Informative)
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
I mentioned this explicitly, you fool. Jesus said not to insult people. That has nothing at all to do with whether or not the word is 'obscene'.
With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring?
The word 'curse' there is 'katara' which is an actual curse. Aka, wishing that someone comes to harm because they are a bad person.
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
A better translation there for 'unwholesome' is 'corrupt', or even 'rotten', the word is 'sapros'. Sadly, 'rotten talk' is a broken metaphor...that's not what it means.
See, the word you've translated as 'talk' is 'logos', which all Christians should recognize (In the beginning was The Word, etc.), which can, indeed, mean 'talk', or even 'word' , but here almost certainly means 'the truth'. Do not speak rotten truths. Aka, don't lie.
You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
What is translated as filthy language there is 'aischrologia', which is, oddly enough, a specific Latin word meaning 'a role-reversal mocking and insulting your betters', and there were actually festivals [wikipedia.org] (Scroll to 'Significance'.) that had this as an aspect of it.
Of course, this mocking probably included rather lewd languages, especially as women got to insult men during it. But it certainly not talking about 'bad words', or the way we use the term 'filthy language'.
You know that thing, where your boss leaves and you pretend to talk like him and make fun of him? Believe it or not, a Bible verse condemns that.
Put away perversity from your mouth; keep corrupt talk far from your lips.
'Perverse' doesn't mean what you think it means. Perverse simply means 'crooked'. In fact, it still means that, we just use it entirely metaphorically now. Again, it's 'don't lie'.
However, you've certainly proven me wrong. Apparently, there is language that idiots can interpret to be about the word 'fuck'. The world can always surprise me by building a better idiot.
the tragedy of life (Score:4, Interesting)
is that the crankiest, dumbest, lamest voices are also the loudest voices, on any issue
this PTC group consists of a handful of assholes who have self-appointed themselves as spokespeople for the rest of us, for our common decency, when the only thing they represent is a small shrill fringe of intrusive overcontrollling twatstains
Guilty if you even think it, buddy! (Score:2)
So, really, what the Parents Television Council is ultimately aiming to do is outlaw THINKING bad words or thoughts, right? If the symbolism doesn't matter, it must be the underlying thought or intent, eh?
Yeah... good luck with that. I suspect the principals behind the PTC will wind up being the first ones locked up.
Doesn't go far enough..... (Score:2)
While they're at it, shoot, darn, gosh-darn-it, and golly are just surrogates for other "unacceptable" words too. Perhaps the PTC should be going after "Leave it to Beaver" reruns as well for promoting this kind of potty-mouth behaviour in children. Gee-wilikers, hey don't even "bleep" those words!
change it back then (Score:5, Insightful)
What can they do about my brain? (Score:5, Informative)
What do the decency groups know about indecency?
(. ) ( .)
Are these decent? I'm sorry, you can't wash out the filth out of my brain ... you can try, but I see the a-style logo [astyle.it] and I see what I see, because of the filth in *my* brain.
If you see the same ... well *giggle*
Qbert? (Score:2)
*Sigh* (Score:5, Insightful)
I block channels with religious programming, because I don't care to see it. If you are too sensitive to allow yourself to be exposed to implied vulgarity, feel free to block the channels that offend your delicate sensibilities.
Here's the gaff; YOU AREN'T CBS's CUSTOMER. Advertisers are. CBS is quite expert at attracting viewers. If you don't like their content, by all means DON'T WATCH IT.
This really isn't a difficult concept.
-Peter
Humor them... (Score:2)
PTC is bunch of repressed girly men (Score:2, Interesting)
"The PTC will wage an unrelenting campaign against every network advertiser that chooses to support this program; and in this instance, we will wage an unrelenting campaign against every local advertiser sponsoring the program at the affiliate station level," Winter warns.
And I will boycott any company that caves into these power hungry anti American pansies: against Free Speech = Anti American = Traitor.
And, I will put any company that tells these repressed sissies on the front of my purchasing list.
The PTC are a bunch of #^&@@*# and $&@((*$## swallowing ^$**##!
But PTC, because of the minority of people like you who can't take "harsh" words, I have stopped watching TV because it has become so infantilized to the point of being boring, vapid, and just a waste of time
That's not the offensive part (Score:3, Insightful)
What's really offensive is that, in this day and age, we can't just say "shit" when we mean "shit". Queen Victoria may not be amused, but the Victorian age has been over for a long, long time.
From the ShitMyDadSays Facebook page: (Score:2)
"They're offended? Fuck, shit, asshole, shitfuck; they're just words...Fine. Shitfuck isn't a word, but you get my point."
Just one question (Score:2)
I agree that it's indecent, here is why. (Score:2)
The $#*! stands in place of a word, in a particular context. It's the semantics of the underlying expression that is indecent, not the $#*! itself.
Let's ask this question: how can you fill in the blank in ``____ my dad!'' such that the sentence is decent, and yet the word filled in requires to be covered up with $#*!.
I do not think... (Score:4, Insightful)
Meeting Transcript (Score:4, Funny)
Head of PTC: Absolutely. It's clearly indecent!
CBS: And you've sent press releases to every news organization and major blog across the country affirming that this is your position?
PTC. That's right. And what are you going to do about it?
CBS: (stifles a giggle) What am I going to do? Cartwheels all the way back to the office!
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Regarding the Wikipedia entry (Score:3, Interesting)
The Wikipedia article cannot be titled properly, due to technical limitations in the wikitext;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleep_My_Dad_Says [wikipedia.org]
oh...if only... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Stop listening to the PTC (Score:5, Insightful)
Meanwhile, they get out their letter writing campaigns, their phone calls to senators, whatever it takes. Which is why they end getting listened to.
Frankly, I don't think the people at the FCC really care. If it were up to them alone, we would have swearing and nudity all over TV by now. But there are people who really do care, and they make a concerted effort to have their opinion heard. That is why they are listened to.
And really, that's kind of how it should be. If a small group of people really really cares about something, and the rest of us don't care too much, it's basic social wisdom to compromise in favor of the people who really do care. That's true in all human relationships, not just at the national level.
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If someone wanted to give me a million dollars, I would care a lot. If they did so by taking ten cents from every taxpayer and wasting most of the proceeds, you probably wouldn't care enough to write a letter to complain. Yet such proposals aren't "basic social wisdom", they're a reduction in total utility. They're also on
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accommodating them will only result in them seeking out more material to be offended at and widening their criteria for offensiveness.
Do you not understand that this is how everyone acts after a compromise? If not, you have utterly failed to understand how politics works. Abortion advocates and opponents both fight to push the law their way. They are not happy with the compromise that was achieved by Roe VS Wade. Neither side is. They will continue to push until things are the way they want.
It is that way with everything. Did free sil
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Freedoms, such as the right of free speech, should never be put to a vote or otherwise abridged.
This is a naive view. If you feel that freedom of speech should never be abridged, take it up with the supreme court, who disagrees with you.
Essentially you have the right to say whatever you want, but not wherever you want. And that makes sense.
Re:boys drag girls down until they finally say NO (Score:5, Insightful)
You're part of the problem, you know. You've now set expectations such that "boys will be boys" and that the girls should just expect boys to behave like gutter trash and learn to live with it.
If you held "boys" to as high a standard for their behaviors as you seem to set for "girls" then you might be working to get the world to this neo-Victorian attitude that you seem to want to live with.
Personally, I think the Victorians were a bunch of overly-repressed fuckers whose hypocrisy is almost unmatched in the history of the world, and I'd hate to see us revert back to it. Even the hypocrisy of 1950's USA is tame in comparison. I actually think we're better off as a culture if we're more open about shit. When you liberally sprinkle your fucking vocabulary with shit that other people think is taboo, eventually the words lose all their goddamn power to shock and offend and they become nothing more than motherfucking words - which is what they should be. The word "shit" as in the title of the show "Shit my Dad Says" is a word that means nothing more than fecal matter unless you've got a goddamn stick rammed so far up your ass it makes you walk funny.
But whatever - it's a free country. If you want to fight for neo-Victorian attitudes I say fucking go for it. Balls out, as they say.
Re:boys drag girls down until they finally say NO (Score:5, Insightful)
What, girls can never be devious or sexually adventurous without the prodding of a boy? Are you living in 1955?
-molo
Re:boys drag girls down until they finally say NO (Score:5, Insightful)
Please, give the puritan crap a rest. Women are just as filthy as men, perhaps more so.
Re:boys drag girls down until they finally say NO (Score:5, Insightful)
You know, you're an asshole. I don't think I've ever started a post on Slashdot that way, and I really don't go in for name-calling, but you get the prize for driving me to it. You seem to have issues with males (I can't tell from your name whether you are one or not, but it's irrelevant), and you should be working through that yourself, not poisoning children's minds to share in your gender issues. No, BOYS will not drag girls into the gutter, some will, some won't. Just as some girls will be manipulative little monsters, and others won't. Shame on you for actively trying to damage these girls' outlook with regards to the other half of the population.
Great, another do-gooder who isn't affected by something, but feels compelled to "protect" everyone else. You appear to have mastered the use of the "off button" on your television, so instead of cheering for censorship, why not just help some other easily offended prats find it too, and quit telling others what they can and can't see on TV.
Re:boys drag girls down until they finally say NO (Score:5, Insightful)
Where the person is wrong is that sex somehow deserves to be in the gutter.
And yet, you are speaking of a relationship "degrading" to sex from the supposedly ideal "platonic". How is that cognitive dissonance working out lately?
Re:boys drag girls down until they finally say NO (Score:5, Insightful)
That's a nice, clinical description, which in the real world falls apart pretty quickly. Plenty of guys go out, spend the night flirting and have no intention of actually trying to have sex with anyone, and I've seen plenty of girls at my local bar who are looking to get laid and leave with a different guy every weekend. Those girls aren't poor innocent waifs who have been taken advantage of, they're adults who choose to have sex when they want to. There's also nothing wrong with what they're doing. Women are just as grown-up and competent as men when it comes to sex, and are perfectly capable of deciding whether they want to sleep with someone or not.
No they are not correct. Is it okay make them aware that some guys will lie and do what it takes to get them into bed? Sure. Is it okay to teach them that guys only want one thing, and it's in their pants? No, it is not. That's how you create a girl with problems with self confidence, and trust issues.
I have plenty of friends who are women, and there's absolutely nothing sexual about our relationships. They don't have to play gatekeeper to my uncontrollable desires, and I don't have to worry about them innocently falling prey to my sneaky male charms. That's the real world for ya, we really are more than just a collection of base instincts.
Re:boys drag girls down until they finally say NO (Score:5, Insightful)
I have a very close female friend who's out of sorts because she's always been told that her being sexually adventurous is bad, and that she shouldn't like sex. It tears her up inside, and she feels that she needs to hide that side of her from her friends and family. She feels that since she likes sex, she should feel like a whore.
It's assholes like you that did that to her. She's broken inside, and hell if I know if it's fixable.
Fuck society.
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It is fixable, with therapy, lots of time and loving support from understanding friends and lovers.
She may have to move and re-create her life somewhere else.
Sex=shame is one of the most fucked up things invented in order to control women and take their power away.
A sexually empowered woman is a power to behold and scares many men shitless.
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(Filter error: please use fewer 'junk' characters. I guess slashdot does find them offensive.)
Re:First $#*! (Score:4, Funny)
$#*! ain't my god, and I feel very sorry for you if $#*! is your God. (The Bible Defines Swearing as Taking the Name of the Lord your God in Vain.)
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Absolutely.
I'm willing to bet eternity that all religion is fascism wrapped in fairy stories.
Re:First $#*! (Score:4, Funny)