Doctors Save Premature Baby Using Sandwich Bag 246
Born 14 weeks early, Lexi Lacey owes her life to some MacGyver inspired doctors and a sandwich bag. Lexi was so small at birth that even the tiniest insulating jacket was too big, but she fit into a plastic sandwich bag nicely. ''The doctors told us they had never known a baby born as prematurely as Lexi survive. She was so tiny the only thing they had to keep her body temperature warm was a sandwich bag from the hospital canteen — it's incredible to think that saved her life," says her mom.
Fetus in a bag (Score:2)
Re:Fetus in a bag (Score:5, Insightful)
One or none?
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Record for smallest babies to survive (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Record for smallest babies to survive (Score:4, Funny)
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My wife was born that size/premature, so it happens from time to time.
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I don't think your information is reliable.
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Meant to add:
"Lexi is now 11-week-olds old and weighs 5lbs 6oz. "
All things considered - as long as there are no other immediate complications this kid might make it out just fine.
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She's home now with her parents, so the doctors must think she has a pretty good chance. They don't usually let premies out of the NICU till they feel comfortable that they are no more or less likely than a normal baby to die. Baring the things that occasionally kill babies ( friend of mine's daughter got meningitis at three days old. She was perfectly healthy at birth, but almost didn't make it through her first week of life.) seems as though she'll be fine.
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When my daughter was in NICU (back in 1993, she was 7 weeks preemie), there was a 3 month preemie there. He survived and is fine.
Hell, my *MOTHER* was 2.5 months preemie, and that was in 1938.
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TFA states:
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I'd say her prognosis is pretty good, considering she's now about the size, weight, and developmental stage as a newborn. The last 11 weeks were the rather critical point, I'd imagine.
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It's okay, this is slashdot. "Skimming the article" actually puts you on the high-performing end of the scale. :)
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Doctors can still be suspended or fired for negligence in a country with a NHS like the UK.
And getting a job outside the national health system won't be easy, generally.
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"She rang the maternity suite at Worcestershire Royal Hospital in Worcester but was told it was nothing to worry about and to go back to sleep. "
Coming soon, to a hospital near you!
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you came off as an idiot who tries too hard to smart.
Lessons of the internet, part 1:
When insulting the intelligence of another, make sure your grammar doesn't fail at life.
Now I'm confused. (Score:2, Funny)
This is almost as impressive (Score:2)
I too used a plastic sandwich bag this week for a medical miracle; I was hiking and developed a blister on my heel, but through the use of a plastic sandwich bag as cushioning and slippery material so that my heel wouldn't rub, I was able to continue with less pain, and without worsening the blister.
I know, impressive.
Maybe this means that plastic baggies will soon be needing FDA approval, or maybe a prescription.
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OK, OK, I am on it already.
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did you take the baby out of the bag first? Or did the baby make it slippery.
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You can take the baby out of the bag, but you can never take the... bag... can never... won't get fooled again!
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Always carry a little tiny roll of duck tape. Besides its numerous other qualities and applications a strip over your heel will effectively completely heal (no pun intended) any blistering for several days.
I sometimes even proactively duct tape the contact points if I haven't worn my hiking boots for a few months.
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Use medical tape instead, I do it often. It peels off easier and contains a more skin-friendly glue. It's cheaper too, and almost as useful as duct tape for most things. I carry a small roll everywhere (the geek bag) but duct tape wouldn't fit.
Sandwich bag symbiosis. (Score:2, Funny)
Lexi Lacey (Score:2, Funny)
Lexi Lacey?!
I suppose that's one more porn star we'll have in 18 year's time.
Cue the jokes (Score:4, Funny)
of what your Mom accidentally packed you for lunch.
Re:Cue the jokes (Score:5, Funny)
You must mean "of when your Mom accidentally packed you for lunch"
Stupid doctors (Score:3, Funny)
Everyone knows babies will keep better in tupperware
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Oh god, what was the show - Eerie, Indiana [wikipedia.org], sort of a Twilight Zone/Haven thing. Actually was very similar to Haven, but predated it by 19 years. The pilot episode, "Foreverware", had people sleeping in non-trademark-infringing resealable plastic containers and living forever. Well, longer, at any rate.
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So that's what they mean by burping infants...
Parents Must Have Been Happy (Score:5, Funny)
how long until (Score:2, Funny)
I'd like to see the itemized medical bill (Score:5, Funny)
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It was in the UK. The fully itemised bill looks like this:
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Total: £0.00
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I had returned, with family, to Ontario, Canada, after my H1B ran out in 2003 (Got sponsored for a Green Card in 2004 by the Redmond Devil, but that's a whole 'nother shameful story about prostituting ethics for permanent residency).
Anyyyyywayyyyy, my then-wife got sick, and there was a three month wait for the silly socialized "care" there, so we had private health insurance (never got the Canadian health care back in any case, since we wanted as few ties as possible if we left again (and, we did)). So, of
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OK, I bite.
I'm not talking about the UK in particular here, but compare quality of life indexes to taxation rates sometime, e.g. some of the Scandinavian countries. High taxes does not correlate with unhappy people. Great health care, dental, good working conditions, sports facilities, public services, a 35 hr work week, lots of vacation - now those things correlate with happy people.
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High taxes does not correlate with unhappy people.
Look, if it's still that way in CivV, then it's true.
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50%? Ha! What the fuck are you smoking? 30%-35% is what I was on when I was still in the UK, and lots of people pay a lot less than that.
Give it a rest, fucknut.
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No, more like:
Sandwich bag: $0.15
Bag overhead fee: $3.80 (the rest of the box)
Emergency courier fee: $15,000 (guy running a block to the 7-11)
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Just wait... (Score:2, Insightful)
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Until you have a baby. None of these kind of comments will be funny anymore. Seriously.
Let me guess, you were a bag baby....?
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I've had 2 babies, and I've had a couple chuckles so far in this thread. Granted, I browse at 3, but it's been pretty mild stuff about 10 comments in.
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I'm pregnant with complications, browsing at -1, and still managed to get a few giggles in. Sometimes you just can't take life so seriously.
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True, I joke about my kids illnesses, after the fact. "WTF is croup?!? He sounds like a dying beagle! Next you'll tell me my kid has the plague, totally normal, just wait it out."
Anyway, good luck to you and your complications! Hope all goes well.
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You're right. Parents lose their sense of humor awfully quick. Just one more reason not to be a parent.
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Aren't you glad your parents weren't thinking that way?
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Not really. If they chose not to have me, I wouldn't mind at all. Since I wouldn't have a mind.
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My twin girls were born at 31 weeks and required a stay in NICU. I'm laughing. You should try it, you'll live longer.
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Ah, I see, so once you're a parent, your sense of humour is carved out of your skull? You're suddenly no longer able to see the humour in a situation that is both tragic and, ultimately, joyful?
Wow... you're really marketing parenthood well, there, buddy.
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I have a kid. The jokes are still funny. I'm probably a lot more happy for that family than I would have been before I had a child, since I can identify with the stress and joy childbirth brings, but the jokes are still funny.
I heard that the generic store-brand baggies didn't work. They had to use Glad bags with the yellow-and-blue-makes green seal (patented). It was guaranteed to lock in the freshness.
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So either you're an incredibly boring dad or you don't have a baby:P
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For 3 feet I recommend the white "kitchen" bags. For teenagers you may need to upgrade to the black ones. I've got a terrible two year old, I'm sizing him for a large Target shopping bag.
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That's the one thing I keep wondering about. Ok, she's beaten the odds but will she have life-long problems such as cerebral palsy, mental retardation, or respiratory ailments?
Another true baby plastic bag story (Score:2, Funny)
Hold the pickles! (Score:2)
(Do I really need to put something in here to be more funny? I thought the title was good enough!)
more premature babies have survived (Score:2)
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It really makes you wonder what saving all these preemies is doing to the human gene pool. Will we someday be unable to breed without the help of medical technology?
Re:more premature babies have survived (Score:5, Informative)
Premature birth is not a genetic condition so thers is no eugenics risk to saving premature babies:
http://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/14332_1157.asp#head2 [marchofdimes.com]
There is only some additional costs at time of birth and risk of some health problems later in life that are also non-genetic.
Itemized bill will still be the same... (Score:2)
Infant insulating jacket. $247.58 billed
Insurance adjustment: $198.42.
Amount covered 49.16.
Deductible $25.
Insurance pays $24.16.
Please pay $25.00
Is the Story Real? (Score:2, Interesting)
Or is this a reflection on healthcare differences in the UK vs the USA?
I had _twins_ born at 26 weeks gestation in April. THe claim that the UK doctors had never seen a baby born this early could only be true if one of the following were also true
- it was a very small hospital and they didn't have much prematurity experience
- the stated age is incorrect. when you use relative gestational ages (i.e. 14 weeks early), people disagree on what the "end goal" is.. is it 40 weeks? 38 weeks? 37 weeks? SInce pe
Re:Is the Story Real? (Score:5, Interesting)
Perhaps you should read the article: "Worcestershire Royal Hospital only has the facilities to care for premature babies born from 28 weeks onwards and doctors wanted to transfer her to a specialist unit at Birmingham's Heartlands Hospital but there wasn't time."
If more American hospitals are equipped to deal with babies born earlier than this that could explain a difference in survival rates, but I don't know if that's the case.
Note that Sweden and Germany count the birth rate in the same way as the USA, but do better. At the end of this article [webmd.com] are some survival results for full-term births. On Wikipedia there's the 5-year survival rate.
The oft-cited report about infant mortality in the US leaves out some important factors -- namely that socio-economic diversity in the US, and racial heterogenoy correlate with and explain some of our increased infant mortality.
You could say the same about Britain. (From the article, we know this is a teenage (17) mother with an older (24) father, they aren't married, and they all have stereotypical working-class names.)
Finally, we measure mortality much differently here than do most other places.
Yet your own government (see here) [wikipedia.org] "concluded, however, that the differences in reporting are unlikely to be the primary explanation for the United States’ relatively low international ranking."
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Right. So in the US there are levels of NICU facilities (there are 3, i believe), and it works similarly in that a level foo facilitity cannot really support a child born earlier than a certain gestational age, or with certain difficulties.
The place our children stayed was a "we can do anything" level facility, and one of the reasons it had a helipad is that they went and picked up babies from all over the state that couldn't be handled in the facilities they were in. Many of the nurses that worked on my
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You've got to ask yourself, when you do a cost/benefit analysis is spending tons of money keeping preemies alive really worth it? There's a point at which it's not cost effective to save them, and the right thing for the parents to do is try again next year, or choose adoption. While a personal tragedy, miscarriage isn't really a problem society needs to be spending lots of money on. Money spent on saving preemies could be better spent saving older children who have unique personalities and who society
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Well, as long as I am paying the costs, I'd prefer to make that decision.
I don't authorize you to decide for me, and I don't ask you to bear the costs.
The main reason that I reject any government intrusion into my medical care is precisely this point of view. When society pays, society decides what to pay for. That is
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http://idle.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1802026&cid=33724900 [slashdot.org]
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I am afraid I don't understand the relevance of your response.
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"The oft-cited report about infant mortality in the US leaves out some important factors -- namely that socio-economic diversity in the US, and racial heterogenoy correlate with and explain some of our increased infant mortality."
Interesting. I look at that statement and think makes poor performance worse. You seem to look at it and reach exactly the opposite conclusion.
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Your reading comprehension is an abysmal joke.
I concede that the aggregate IMR in the US is surprisingly high, and then i discuss why that is (Based on the findings in the oft-cited research). I further explain that for premature babies, the US IMR is one of the best in the world.
I lay all of this out in my post.
I am very worried that you feel comfortable arguing with people based on pushing aggregate statistics from other sources when you have not displayed the ability to comprehend what you have read.
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I appreciate your use of sarcasm to give me a good skewering, but correct me if I am wrong, but the UK isn't highly segmented by race into socio-economic strata, at least not to the same extent the USA is.
here are some links you might find interesting
http://www.cdc.gov/media/pressrel/2008/r081015.htm?s_cid=mediarel_r081015 [cdc.gov]
http://www.birthactivist.com/2009/11/cdc-releases-new-report-comparing-us-and-european-infant-mortality-rates/ [birthactivist.com]
(you'll note, btw, that premature infant mortality is lower in the US than the
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> this is an accurate portrayal of medicine in the UK
It was a national UK newspaper *story*. What do you think?
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Tempting Bag (Score:2)
A life-saving technique, or a handy container for a delicious baby sandwich? Hmmmmmmmmm...
Human brain activity fetus (Score:2, Insightful)
If human brain activity exists then I don't see how the child can be called a fetus.
At what point in development does human brain activity typically begin?
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I think it depends on how you define "brain activity". I believe that fetal movement (willful movement, that is) starts around 15 - 16 weeks of gestational age. Commanding movement would have to involve brain activity by definition. Involuntary movement starts around 10 - 12 weeks.
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I had a baby sandwich once (Score:2)
Added Bonus (Score:2)
Mmmm (Score:2)
That's nothing.. (Score:2)
Babies in sandwich bags only sound impressive until you consider that there was an old lady who lived in a shoe.
Wait till Ziploc gets sued. (Score:2)
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The brain and most of the internal organs develop relatively early during gestation. The lungs are the last major organ to mature and they are frequently what gives very premature infants trouble. Infants born before 32 weeks gestation don't produce surfactant (the stuff that keeps your lungs open so air can get in and out) themselves and can basically suffocate. Once you have them properly ventilated and such, they tend to do okay as long as they don't catch an infection. The immune system also is immature in a baby, but it generally doesn't really kick into gear until about 6 months of age for a normal infant, so it's not specific for premature infants.
The US has the best health care in the world... (Score:3, Interesting)
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Only until they turn 18. Giggity.
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The lesson here? Do not live in a backwards theocracy if you can avoid it.
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Oh for crying out loud, where do you people come from? Seriously. Do you really believe that there's this big group of people out there who just like killing babies for sport?
No. Special means cases where risk to the mother is significantly higher than would normally be expected. There are no doctors out there just rubbing their hands together and laughing maniacally about how many otherwise viable children they intend to kill off in needless third trimester abortions. If a woman is told at a late stage in her pregnancy that it looks like it's going to be either her or the baby, but not both that will survive, that's a horrible moment in her life. Some may choose to risk it all for the sake of the baby, but you have no right to act all superior and expect that she'll lay down her life for that child, who may not live either. You don't even have the courage to post under anything other than Anonymous Coward, so don't expect me to believe that you're so brave that you'd forfeit, or even risk, your life without a second thought.
Further, do you really think that pregnant women typically carry a baby for 6 or 7 months and suddenly decide, "naaah, I don't want one of these after all". There are not swarms of women in the last stages of pregnancy flocking to abortion clinics just for the fun of having an abortion. I won't say that it can't or doesn't *ever* happen, but a woman experiencing a healthy pregnancy, with a healthy baby is not at all likely to seek a late term abortion for no apparent reason.
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I couldn't get into medical school. :(