Spam Text Prematurely Blows Up Suicide Bomber 573
Hugh Pickens writes "A suicide bomber's plan to detonate explosives in Central Moscow on New Year's Eve was foiled when she received an unexpected spam text message that caused her deadly payload to blow up too early. A message wishing her a happy new year came hours before the unnamed woman was to set off her suicide belt near Red Square, an act of terrorism that could have killed hundreds of people. Islamist terrorists in Russia often use mobile phones as detonators. The bomber's handler, who is usually watching his charge, sends the bomber a text message to set off the explosive belt at the moment when it is thought they can inflict maximum casualties."
Oh, I laughed when I read this (Score:4, Insightful)
Made me think of Achmed and his 'premature detonation.'
Sad to think this is how people need to express their world view, happy when it turns out like this for them.
Re:Oh, I laughed when I read this (Score:5, Insightful)
I think this is the kind of terrorism we can all get behind - where the terrorist blows himself up without harming other people.
Re:Oh, I laughed when I read this (Score:4, Funny)
I think this is the kind of terrorism we can all get behind - where the terrorist blows himself up without harming other people.
What's even better than this... is, now, a spammer can go to jail for involuntary manslaughter.
Yes, the only person slain was a terrorist, but the spammer did not know that.
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I don't like spammers either, but to charge the spammer with anything you have to show at least some culpability. The spammer had to know there was a non-negligible chance his junk messages could cause direct harm to someone as a result of the message.
The bomb didn't go off as a result of the message - it went off because the bomb builder was an idiot and didn't go to the trouble of writing a simple cell phone app or setting the phone to only ring when messages from a certain sender telephone number arrive
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Hey, it worked for Bouazizi [wikipedia.org], look at Tunisia now!
It appears to be working in Egypt [theworld.org] and elsewhere, too.
Bummer for the fear-mongering war machine executives, how do you save the masses from themselves????
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Re:Oh, I laughed when I read this (Score:5, Interesting)
Another funny story about a terrorist bomb premature detonation was one of a car bomb that detonated on a deserted Israeli road.
Comparing the remains of the driver's wristwatch with the clock attached to the bomb in the car's trunk, Israeli experts came to the conclusion that the bomb clock was set to Israeli time, which was in daylight saving mode, and the driver's was set to Palestinian time, which wasn't.
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Another funny story about a terrorist bomb premature detonation was one of a car bomb that detonated on a deserted Israeli road.
Its a little sad that you would view someones death by suicide bombing-- even the bomber's-- as funny. Of course during a war / struggle / conflict it is common to demonize the "enemy" in order to make it easier to hate them, but you tend to lose some of your humanity in the process.
Re:Oh, I laughed when I read this (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Oh, I laughed when I read this (Score:5, Insightful)
They would likely level similar accusations against us, and who's to say how much of the information they have is correct?
honorless
By honorless, do you mean "their concept of honor is not one I agree with, therefore they have none"? Im sure in their eyes it is quite honorable; it seems pointless do discuss honor from opposite sides of the battlefield. It seems just as "honorless" to sit from the comfort of your home laughing as someone straps a bomb to their chest and takes their own life.
Regardless of that, is it not sad that someone would come to that point, that they would view whatever enemy they envision worthy of such hatred that they are willing to inflict civilian casualties? I see nothing humorous about the situation whatsoever, from their intent to their outcome.
Re:Oh, I laughed when I read this (Score:5, Insightful)
People like you who try to empathize with evil people are no longer human. They are wrong. Period. They want to KILL people. KILL. OTHER. PEOPLE. Which one of those words don't you understand. I am HAPPY, THRILLED, ECSTATIC, that they did not get the chance. 10's, dozens, possibly hundreds of others get to live now. That brings me JOY. A tear to my eye. ELATION.
You can say what you want about the US government and its military, but we don't intentionally target civilians, we don't kill indiscriminately even people who may be on our side, etc. etc. There are accidents, friendly fire casualties, bad apples, and a lot of other bad shit that happens, but it is war and it is chaotic. We try our best not to harm the innocents or our own.
These monsters walk right into the biggest pile of innocent civilians they can find and detonate themselves.
So while people like you sit idly by and think of the children, there are some people who work hard to prevent it, and get a little joy when the enemy screws up. You're wrong, not them. Get off your pedestal.
Its funny when sociopaths kill themselves (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Its funny when sociopaths kill themselves (Score:4, Insightful)
I am supposed to be upset that a sociopath that is trying to maim and kill other people dies by their own ineptitude?
To laugh as a sociopath is gunned down by the firing squad seems to place you squarely on the same path as he. Whos to say that with the right justification you might not find yourself in his place, in the name of eliminating others like him?
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Its a little sad that you would view someones death by suicide bombing-- even the bomber's-- as funny. Of course during a war / struggle / conflict it is common to demonize the "enemy" in order to make it easier to hate them, but you tend to lose some of your humanity in the process.
I won't lose any humanity finding the humor/irony in a suicide bomber who was planning on killing innocent people blown up by another scourge of the civilized world, spam. Anytime a suicide bomber blows themselves up and doesn't kill any innocent people it's a good thing.
Re:Oh, I laughed when I read this (Score:4, Interesting)
On Okinawa, the Marines attacking Sugar Loaf Hill were under the threat of surprise attack 24/7. The stress and lack of rest took a toll, and after a week or so the troops were mentally and physically in very bad shape. One squad was cautiously advancing in daylight when two or three Japanese came running and screaming out of hiding. One was arming a grenade - which were activated by striking it against a hard surface. The Japanese were trained to hit them against their helmets. But the grenades had a high rate of failure, and this one went off in the soldier's hand, blowing off his head. His corpse continued on a step or two and then sank twitching to the ground. The Marines, who under normal circumstances would have been horrified by this sight, thought it the funniest thing they had ever seen and were helpless with laughter for quite some time. Luckily the attack on them was not followed up for a while.
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Its a little sad that you would view someones death by suicide bombing-- even the bomber's-- as funny.
Seriously? You're bothered over people making jokes about someone that was killed before they could murder? On behalf of victims everywhere, FUCK YOU.
Of course during a war / struggle / conflict it is common to demonize the "enemy" inorder to make it easier to hate them, but you tend to lose some of your humanity in the process.
Someone trying to kill you is not your enemy? Easier to hate them? This person lost their humanity when they wanted they wanted to murder a bunch of people celebrating new years.
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It's ok. You're allowed to be callous when you're talking about the death of terrorists.
Poor Engineering As A Plus: (Score:2)
Thankfully many of the bomb makers for such groups don't think through the failure modes very thoroughly.
Re:Poor Engineering As A Plus: (Score:5, Insightful)
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Thankfully many of the bomb makers for such groups don't think through the failure modes very thoroughly.
Those Terrorism Safety courses are kinda boring. Too much theory and not enough hands-on (or should I say, "hands-off").
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Thankfully many of the bomb makers for such groups don't think through the failure modes very thoroughly.
Those Terrorism Safety courses are kinda boring. Too much theory and not enough hands-on (or should I say, "hands-off").
Suicide bomber isntructor: "Now pay attention! I'm only going to show you this once."
Re:Poor Engineering As A Plus: (Score:4, Interesting)
If it's for religious reasons, and it usually is, then they are forbidden from committing suicide upon punishment of going to hell. Because they are dead, it's a sin that cannot be forgiven. The loophole exists that they aren't killing themselves if someone else does the actual button pressing. These guys take loopholes way more seriously than the character optimization board at WotC and they've had thousands of years to figure this shit out. The consequences are greater, sure, but they've got it figured out.
The murders, apparently, are kosher / halal / unicode error. Better than that, actually, by martyring yourself whilst killing the holy enemies of your chosen one then you are assured -- fucking assured -- that you get to escape this oppressed life and move to a perfect beautiful one (albeit a hilarious parody of adolescent fantasy) in paradise, with the blessing of your chosen one.
I know, it assumes facts not in evidence. I'm a Secular Humanist so don't try saying but there's no God because I already know that, I'm just saying that that's their mentality.
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I've read that suicide bombers tend not to be unstable and tend to be well educated middle class professionals. A little fact checking on Wikipedia shows there have been other, conflicting studies, though. Still, in general, suicide bombers are not the unstable, low income, desperate types portrayed in the media.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bomber#Profile_of_attackers [wikipedia.org]
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We should not take the decision to suicide bomb into account when determining the stability of the person doing it. Obviously, by one definition, they are not stable. But that is not the real question. The question is, can we judge who is likely to become a suicide bomber by their stability prior to the bombing? If they act like normal people before the bombing, rather than acting unstable in some way, then the answer is no.
We are looking for answers to the question, "What would make someone do that?" and o
Countermeasure (Score:2)
Perhaps governments may look at shutting off text messages in a given area, or from a given set of towers, if they perceive a threat to the area.
Re:Countermeasure (Score:5, Insightful)
Bombs don't kill people. People kill people.
If you block text messages off in an area, only outlaws will have text messages.
end satire.
Interactive TV, Jack! Wave of the future - ha ha h (Score:2)
Interactive TV, Jack! Wave of the future - ha ha ha, huh?
Re:Countermeasure (Score:5, Insightful)
Bombs don't kill people. People kill people.
If you block text messages off in an area, only outlaws will have text messages.
end satire.
End the madness, we need strong bomb-control laws!
Even better, lets ban bombs!
Re:Countermeasure (Score:4)
LOLZ!!! (Score:5, Funny)
I can see the spam now:
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Irony. It's in the game. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Irony. It's in the game. (Score:5, Funny)
In Soviet Russia, even...
Re:Irony. It's in the game. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Irony. It's in the game. (Score:5, Funny)
The most apropos "In Soviet Russia" joke EVER!!
Kudos, sir, kudos.
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Actually no, this one is:
The setup:
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cf1n2/holy_fuck_i_just_saw_someone_get_hit_by_a_train/c0s4de4 [reddit.com]
(Comments in between mention this was in Russia.)
And here it is:
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cf1n2/holy_fuck_i_just_saw_someone_get_hit_by_a_train/c0s4nfi [reddit.com]
and in the usa you pay up to $0.25 per text for in (Score:2)
and in the usa you pay up to $0.25 per text for incoming and you only choice is to block all texts or pay for a plan to get out of it.
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After all, you should be in charge of your bill - not somebody spamming you w/ SMS texts.
My wife and I use google talk to get around lack of SMS, which ironically probably costs the telco more but costs us less.
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spam is no longer a "victimless crime". (Score:5, Funny)
At least now they can't say that spam never killed anyone.
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actually we can all say now that spam saves lives! .... and there goes the neighborhood.
The AOL spam (Score:5, Funny)
"You've Got Fail"
Someone's got to say it.... (Score:5, Funny)
In Soviet Russia, spam blocks you.
If you're making a bomb anyway (Score:2)
Re:If you're making a bomb anyway (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:If you're making a bomb anyway (Score:5, Insightful)
All it would take is a day's prep, an extra chip and 10 minutes of work to make it only blow up if, say, the message contains 5 a's. Tie the text out to something to check for the right 1's and 0's. This was shoddy workmanship.
You're talking about rudimentary programming for people who haven't even figured out that they could take the bomb off before detonating it. Gotta walk before you can run.
So, Weekly World News was right! (Score:2)
Sure, everyone laughed the first time around. Not so funny now [geeksaresexy.net], eh?
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Are you kidding me? it's even more funny now.
"Charges may apply" (Score:5, Funny)
Not another excuse for spam (Score:3)
Great. Now spam is an anti-terrorism tool. Is there no escape?
Why do I suspect the phone's ringtone was... (Score:2)
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(testing - this should be in italics)
Surprised they weren't doing *any* filtering (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Surprised they weren't doing *any* filtering (Score:5, Insightful)
Cost isn't, expertise is (Score:3)
It's probably a very crude device, where they attach the speaker/vibrator wires directly to a detonator.
Exactly, that's all it is.
Anything more sophisticated isn't a matter of cost so much as having anyone who knows how to do it. Triggering by a specific number involves actually writing code to be run on the phone, which would involve a lot more effort and couldn't be done by just anyone.
How about we send everybody a text (Score:4, Insightful)
Ok, this will only work a few times, and soon the terrorists would find other ways to detonate....
Every now and then the phone company can randomly send a text message. Or, since the bomb is probably tied to the speaker, just send half a ring. just something small. And do it more often near holidays or major events where people gather (like, before the superbowl, send everyone a text message)
No need to send to EVERYONE, just everyone in areas where people gather...
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It's a bit late by that point, surely the idea is to trigger it before they get into an area where people gather...
US Lawmakers... (Score:2)
Associated Press
"Both houses of Congress passed a bill that requires all US Cell Phone companies to send one free text message every hour to all mobile phone user in the country." This controversial bill is aimed at stopping any attempted suicide bomber attacks. Opponents of the bill say...
SPAM = Saving People At Moscow (Score:3, Funny)
Seems to me... (Score:5, Insightful)
</humor>
Quite frankly this has a darker story. The handler can't trust the person to push their own button, so the handler does it remotely without the persons consent. That would imply that a number of people have failed to do what they have been psychologically coerced to believe what their duty, when its not something they really wanted to do in the first place. Feelings of despair and insignificance are easily played upon by psychotic individuals.
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Re:Seems to me... (Score:4, Interesting)
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It seems to me that this is finally a pretty good reason for having a feature enabled like call forwarding. Send the bloody message back to the handler instead.
</humor>
Quite frankly this has a darker story. The handler can't trust the person to push their own button, so the handler does it remotely without the persons consent.
Which means that calling them "suicide bombers" is even more of a misnomer than it already is.
The person carrying the bomb was murdered, just like the entirely innocent people in their vicinity.
Not saying the person walking around with a bomb in their backpack is innocent,just that they aren't necessarily committing suicide either
Without the person even being aware? (Score:3)
Here's a gedanken experiment:
A terrorist can made a bomb with:
an Arduino micro-controller,
a 9 volt battery,
a Wifi receiver and
10 or pounds of C4 that is set to go off when the device receives the message " Go BOOM! ".
The device gets snuck onto some unwitting person's luggage.
Now, you see somebody is struggling with a heavy suitcase through a transport facility. (Say Liberty International Airport, or O'Hare, or Grand Central Station at 4:30 on a Friday.)
Do you help him/her, or
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In iraq, it was not uncommon for the VBIED (vehicle borne improvised explosive device) driver to be handcuffed to the steering wheel. This is very similar to your "The handler can't trust the person to push their own button".
I don't have much experience with suicide vests but they are usually detonated by the wearer. This way they can go in with guns first and detonate when/if they become incapacitated by return fire. I'm also pretty sure that suicide bombers wear the vest for long periods beforehand. S
OMG (Score:5, Funny)
This story is hilarious! I'm gonna text it to all my terrorist friends right now!
Sad... (Score:5, Insightful)
Because 90% of women bombers are forced to do it. the scumbag Islamic terrorists either start killing their children, or threaten to kill their kids to make the woman do the deed. In fact a cellphone detonator means she could not be trusted to blow herself up so her Islamic torturer needed to have control of her death to make them happy.
All you flag wavers saying "dumb bitch" are uninformed as to how Utterly Disgraceful and lack of Honor these Islamic Terrorists are.
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In fact a cellphone detonator means she could not be trusted to blow herself
Good insight, Mr. Lumpy. I'm breaking my no-comments-until-they-fix-the-css pledge because this deserves it.
Re:Sad... (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't think anyone should be surprised when a woman chooses to blow up herself and some strangers instead of her children. I do not, however, think anyone should give her a free pass because her children were in danger. None of us is qualified to judge who is more deserving of life because none of us is omniscient. Therefore the only responsible thing to do in this situation is choose death for you and yours.
Or in short, choosing to become a suicide bomber instead of watching your family die is utterly disgraceful and lacks honor. You can condemn the act, however, without condeming the person (who is presumably aerosolized and heading off to meet the maker if there is such a thing.) That is, unless you have been in that position, it's a bit arrogant to be judging someone's decisions.
Re:Sad... (Score:5, Informative)
That is a completely unsupported statistic. Suicide bombers, especially female ones, are not easily profiled. The wikipedia article on it [wikipedia.org] links to a number articles and case studies where the opinion varies a great deal, but none suggest the women did it because her children were threatened.
And it's no excuse even if they did.
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Because 90% of women bombers are forced to do it. the scumbag Islamic terrorists either start killing their children, or threaten to kill their kids to make the woman do the deed. In fact a cellphone detonator means she could not be trusted to blow herself up so her Islamic torturer needed to have control of her death to make them happy.
All you flag wavers saying "dumb bitch" are uninformed as to how Utterly Disgraceful and lack of Honor these Islamic Terrorists are.
So, it is morally justifiable to kill a bunch of other people's kids if someone threatens to harm or kill your own. Sorry I don't buy it.
Oblig. (Score:2)
I think this about sums it up:
http://nelsonhaha.com/ [nelsonhaha.com]
In Red Square (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Uniqueness (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Good (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Good (Score:5, Insightful)
Indeed - any fundie is a danger, no matter what invisible sky being they believe in
Re:Good (Score:4, Informative)
Indeed - any fundie is a danger, no matter what invisible sky being they believe in
My impression is that there's a lot more justification (and impetus) for forcible world domination in the Q'uran than there is in the Bible.
Not that that stopped the Western European powers from using it as a justification. But I suspect it was more a pretense for most of those leaders, than it was anything driven by a desire to be good Christians.
Re:Good (Score:4, Insightful)
Depends how you read them. If you are looking for 'signs' in either one that you are to force domination over another you will find it in either text...well ANY lard text anyways. You could find sign in Moby Dick telling you to do what ever it is your looking to do.
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I'd tend to agree except in the west the fundies are kept in check by other members of the flock for the most part. In Islam they're celebrated, and shining examples to be held up for the rest in many societies. Don't believe me? Take a look at moderate malaysia some time, pakistan is another fine example.
Force (Score:3, Insightful)
Islam isn't the problem. Religion isn't the problem. Force is the problem. Coercion. Violence. Theft. Fraud. In the absence of force, religion is harmless. In the absence of force, everything is harmless.
Force is the true root of all evil, because without force, there can be no evil. It's not logically possible, because force is what defines evil from beginning to end.
Instead of focusing on beliefs, culture, and trying to divide people into "teams" who are supposedly enemies, we should be looking precisely
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Even without force, religion causes harm. Even for those who willingly accept it, it still poisons the mind and can lead to derangement and self harm. And can lead to people harming themselves. Even Buddhism isn't immune from this effect, some still starve themselves to death seeking enlightenment.
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When your religion idolizes force, the religion IS part of the problem. You do know what sentence is meted out to anyone attempting to leave Islam, don't you?
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No, you were correct. That's Islam...also most other religeons.
Re:Good (Score:5, Insightful)
Abusing underage girls and claiming cultural/religious license to do so.
Executing people like Theo van Gogh in the street for saying anything negative about Islam.
Kidnapping and torturing people including aid workers until finally taping their slow, agonizing decapitation.
Yeah, Islam has quite a moral high ground there too.
Religion is evil.
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Islam != terrorism.
Please study your religions. Islam is the world's most common religion; only a tiny fraction of its adherents are violent. It's just like saying "How are we going to get rid of Christianity? They wont be happy until they're raped all our children."
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And me without mod points. Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I imagine there's some group of people who are convincing the mainstream media to air only the unfriendly folks of the Islamic religion. Any extremist belief, be it in a god, policy, linux distro, etc., has the chance to decide they cannot persuade others to choose their path in a logical fashion. So they convince themselves that destruction is a good method. I used to think that there was generally a puppet master or twelve who had ulterio
Racism about Islam does not help you (Score:3, Insightful)
How are we going to rid the world of ISLAM? These peopel make me despair, they won't be happy until they convert or kill us all. There isn't a country in the world that hasn't suffered from this religion of hate
You make me despair. How are we going to get rid of the STUPID people who, without blinking, generalize about a billion people? There isn't a country in the world that hasn't suffered from this racist stupidity.
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How are we going to rid the world of ISLAM? These peopel make me despair, they won't be happy until they convert or kill us all. There isn't a country in the world that hasn't suffered from this religion of hate
My impression is that this has as much to do with Russian unpleasantness in Chechnya, as it does religion.
I'd be intersted to see how much "Islamic" terrorism the West and Russia faced if they stopped pissing on so many Muslims.
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Oh, we all know we'd be all much better off if, like the UK, we allowed shariah to rule our courthouses for our islamic communities.
But for some reason, some of us just can't get over with it and just move on. I'm told it has something to do with democracy, equal rights and social progress, whatever that means... [sarcasm inside]
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You are a lunatic. Please seek psychiatric help.
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Right, so to prevent Islamic fundamentalist terrorism all we have to do is convert to their brand of Islamic fundamentalism, tear down science and knowledge, re-enslave our women, kill all the infidels and submit to the absolute authority of a few wealthy imam. Glad to know. That sounds like a good idea.
Re:Best story ever. [citation needed] (Score:5, Interesting)
The "story" is a little light on details. The suicide bomber has no name and no location is given, other than she was in a "safe house". Why wasn't this news four weeks ago, when it was New Year's? Why do they think it was an errant text message that set the bomb off and not just a defective trigger (after all, the phone should have been destroyed in the blast)?
I expect to see this on Snopes shortly.
Re:Best story ever. [citation needed] (Score:5, Insightful)
I suspect you answered your own question. It took time to figure all this stuff out, going through records and such, and that's why it's only now being reported on.
Re:Best story ever. [citation needed] (Score:4, Funny)
If you (the bomber's handler) want something done properly, you just have to do it yourself.
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The story is almost certainly a hoax. Someone went to the trouble of setting up a remote bomb detonator via a mobile phone, but didn't take into account unexpected spam messages setting it off? Remember that scene in "The Specialist" wasn't it(my memory is hazy), where Ray is making the bomb and placing a detonator in it? You're telling me the guy who put the thing together actually turned on the phone and jammed it into a few pounds of semtex when it could have gone off at any time?
This story smacks of the
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One other thing that is bothering me is why do they have a suicide bomber on a remote detonator? If you're a suicide bomber, then can't you be trusted with your own detonator?
And you're capable of building a bomb with a remote detonator, then why would you be a suicide bomber (and not just a "drop it and run" bomber)?
- suicide bombers can have doubts, and you dont want one turning at the last moment
- dropping a suspicious package/backpack and walking/running away can alarm people, if you are obvious enough, everyone might run away in panic after someone shouts 'BOMB', costing you lots of precious victims. Putting the bomb on a person ensures surprise.
Re:Best story ever. [citation needed] (Score:5, Informative)
If you're a suicide bomber, then can't you be trusted with your own detonator?
Really? You really have to ask if someone whose bright plan is to strap explosives to themselves is level-headed enough to be trusted the with detonator?
And you're capable of building a bomb with a remote detonator, then why would you be a suicide bomber (and not just a "drop it and run" bomber)?
It is very rare that a suicide bomber is also the bomb maker. They are usually some idealistic kid or even mentally handicapped person that the bomb maker or cell takes advantage of and convinces to go blow themselves up. The remote detonator takes away that deciding moment of whether they can really press the button and allows for remote detonation in the case they are ID'd and shot. The use of a suicide bomber makes a statement and display about the "dedication" to the cause and has a larger psychological impact. It also does not leave open the chance for the drop-off guy to get picked up and interrogated.
Re:Best story ever. [citation needed] (Score:5, Informative)
No, suicide bombers are usually college educated middle class people. I know that makes for a more confusing narrative than "Unstable, idealistic, and poor," but it is true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bomber#Profile_of_attackers [wikipedia.org]
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Okay, so where is your evidence that suicide bombers are unstable?
By definition they are unstable. They explode! ;-)
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They're certainly sensitive to radio signals.
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With those poor logic skills, you're not likely to get paid much. You obviously don't understand what "begging the question" means. Since you didn't like the car analogy, here's another:
The building is tall because it's a skyscraper.
The building is a skyscraper because it is tall.
Definitions are inherently circular. If you can't understand that, you've got no business talking about logic.
Of course, if you don't think that committing suicide while murdering innocent people would classify someone as "unsta