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Texas Plumber Sues Car Dealer After His Truck Ends Up In Videos of Syria's Front Lines (mashable.com) 347

New submitter hydrodog writes: A Texas plumber traded in his truck, which ended up in ISIS videos showing his logo and phone number. Now he is getting hundreds of harassing phone calls for 'supporting ISIS' and is suing the dealership for not taking off his information before selling it. He is seeking more than $1 million in damages. According to Mashable: "According to the complaint, filed last week, a salesman at the dealership, Edgar Vasquez, told Oberholtzer 'not to worry about the decal,' saying that peeling it off would 'blemish the vehicle paint.' 'At no time did Vasquez or any other agent, servant, or employee of the Defendant tell Plaintiff that Defendant would leave the decals on the truck, which would be transferred in some fashion to international jihadists conducting warfare upon innocents in Syria,' reads the complaint.
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Texas Plumber Sues Car Dealer After His Truck Ends Up In Videos of Syria's Front Lines

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  • BRB (Score:5, Funny)

    by sexconker ( 1179573 ) on Monday December 14, 2015 @08:19PM (#51118641)

    Applying Hillary Clinton logos and decals to my car and trading it in.
    BRB.

  • by siphonophore ( 158996 ) on Monday December 14, 2015 @08:21PM (#51118653)

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/66d1d3ec-2f19-11e0-88ec-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3uLdcGolO

    FTFA:
    In a statement...Toyota added: “It is not our proudest piece of product placement. But it shows the Taliban are looking for the same qualities as any other truck buyer: quality and durability.”

    That's a bold pivot to a positive message. Maybe the plumber can lean in and tell customers if he can put up with ISIS's shit, he can put up with theirs.

    • by ColdWetDog ( 752185 ) on Monday December 14, 2015 @08:23PM (#51118673) Homepage

      1. Buy a number of used Toyota trucks
      2. Paint the logo of your worst competitor on them
      3. Ship them to the Middle East
      4. Profit !

      • by Rei ( 128717 )

        Don't just put their logo on it - write "Proudly donated by ((Company Name Here)). Allahu akhbar!" under their logo ;)

        Oh, and add the shahada so that some islamist group or another is sure to buy it. Plus, any sort of arabic writing looks scary to westerners. Or just get a black truck and ship it with a can of white paint and a brush so that they can do the rest ;)

      • by jaa101 ( 627731 )

        3. Ship them to the Middle East
        4. Profit !

        Or, more likely: 4. Be convicted of supporting terrorism.

        • by TheCarp ( 96830 )

          > Or, more likely: 4. Be convicted of supporting terrorism.

          Good point, there is only one legal way to support terrorists....pay your taxes. Then when the money is used for terrorism or to arm a terrorist group (and it will, and does), its A-OK.

      • by budgenator ( 254554 ) on Tuesday December 15, 2015 @08:56AM (#51121135) Journal

        This guy traded in a Ford F250, which is a medium duty full sized pickup truck with a 300HP engine vs, the toyota Hiluz a light duty compact pickup with a 150 Hp engine. The toyota has a hard time hauling a 12.5mm machinegun, that antiaircraft gun would definitely break it's back, I'd bet the F250 doesn't last long with that thing onboard. The gun is going to have no accuracy, after the first round the whole truck is going to rocking all over the place.
        Here's my version
        1. Get a bunch of F250's Mossy Oak Desert Camo specials,
        2. Sell to Turkish Used car Salesmen.
        3. Have onboard Sync send emails with truck's GPS location to IhateTerrorists@CIA.gov every day
        4. Have the trucks engine shutdown every time an A10 or F16 comes within 10Km of truck

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 14, 2015 @10:27PM (#51119255)

      In 1997, Robert Fisk interviewed Osama bin Laden in the mountains of Afghanistan, as described in his book The Great War for Civilisation: The Conquest of the Middle East. But first, he had to get there.

      ...we set off up the track that Osama bin Laden built during his jihad against the Russian army in the early 1980s, a terrifying, slithering, two-hour odyssey along fearful ravines in rain and sleet, the windscreen misting as we climbed the cold mountain....

      The road grew worse as we continued, the 4×4 skidding backwards towards sheer cliffs, the headlights playing across the chasms on either side. "Toyota is good for jihad," my driver said. I could only agree, noting that this was one advertising slogan the Toyota company would probably forgo.

    • by BringMyShuttle ( 4121293 ) on Tuesday December 15, 2015 @01:15AM (#51119701)
      LMAO Non paywalled link: Wade Hoyt, Toyota's spokesman in New York, who put the best corporate spin on the situation this week. "It is not our proudest product placement," he said. "But it shows that the Taliban are looking for the same qualities as any truck buyer: durability and reliability." http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11... [nytimes.com] http://www.bloombergview.com/a... [bloombergview.com] Top Gear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
  • by snowsnoot ( 3389789 ) on Monday December 14, 2015 @08:30PM (#51118705)
    A better question is how the hell this vehicle somehow ended up being shipped to the middle east where it could be sold to ISIS?
    • by Sowelu ( 713889 ) on Monday December 14, 2015 @08:40PM (#51118767)

      Money can be exchanged for goods and services.

    • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Monday December 14, 2015 @09:01PM (#51118871)
      Shipping stuff out of the U.S. by cargo container is dirt cheap, especially in a country like the U.S. which has a trade deficit. More containers of stuff come into the country than go out, so many of those containers have to shipped out empty at the expense of the shipping company. They are desperate to put anything into those containers to recoup at least some of their expenses. Consequently, the cost to ship something overseas out of the U.S. is about the same as what it costs to ship it from the middle of the U.S. to the coast.
      • by dbIII ( 701233 )
        You'd never know from the postal rates :(
      • by prefec2 ( 875483 ) on Tuesday December 15, 2015 @03:08AM (#51119945)

        You know, putting the truck in a container or car carrier is only one piece of the puzzle. They cannot ship them in via the Mediterranean Sea, as that part of Syria is controlled by Assad and other non ISIS groups. Lebanon will also not work. And I doubt Israel allows the cars to cross. Therefore, the car must go around Africa or use the Suez Canal and then to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and/or Irak. alternatively, they could go through Turkey. But Turkey is our ally and would never ever do such thing.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Shipping used vehicles overseas for sale has been going on for years. The vehicle might not sell well at home, but overseas it will.

      For example, a lot of used Japanese cars get shipped to Europe, especially the UK where we also dive on the left. A friend of mine bought an R34 GTR in 2004 for 1/20th the list price, import duty and all. It was three years old and had 20k on the clock.

    • I don't see how it is a so good question. There is plenty of second hand motorized vehicles and machinery dealers in Middle-East that are buying from everywhere. Since they pay for containers, better to fill them. You will always find someone to sell your stuff to. ISIS is buying trucks from these guys. There is no big mystery or plot behind this story.
    • by GNious ( 953874 )

      Same way that assault rifles sold by US company ends up in the hands of terrorists in Paris?

  • The Confederate battle flag was a dead giveaway.
  • 'At no time did Vasquez or any other agent, servant, or employee of the Defendant tell Plaintiff that Defendant would leave the decals on the truck, which would be transferred in some fashion to international jihadists conducting warfare upon innocents in Syria,' reads the complaint.

    The defendant, however, says he mentioned it 2 or 3 times.

  • Who is damaged if an asset tag or logo is found on a device a decade later?

    Who benefits from resale of used product a decade earlier?

    Who should bear the liability? Who got the profit, of the logo in original use, of the device at auction?

    "Kids, put your name on it, but remember to take your name off when you resell it." Putting that liability on the auctioneer raises insurance costs we all bear.

    • by Malc ( 1751 )

      He was happy to leave the decals on there when he thought he might get some free local advertising. Ultimately though he sold the vehicle with them on there, but didn't retain any control over the vehicle post sale. It's his own fault.

      • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

        He was happy to leave the decals on there when he thought he might get some free local advertising. Ultimately though he sold the vehicle with them on there, but didn't retain any control over the vehicle post sale. It's his own fault.

        Where did you come up with that? The article clearly stated that his son attempted to remove them....
        "Mr. Oberholtzer’s son started peeling off the decal on the truck that showed the phone number and name of the company, but the salesman told him to stop"

      • He was happy to leave the decals on there

        No, he was not. He was in the process of removing them and was instructed by the dealership to cease their removal, and the same person who ordered him to stop also promised to have them removed so that he wouldn't have to. They failed to keep up their end of a verbal contract.

  • by l0n3s0m3phr34k ( 2613107 ) on Monday December 14, 2015 @09:39PM (#51119037)
    So is the US Treasury. They are actively investigating why ISIS has so many Toyota's [fortune.com]. There are so many of them, this is a quote from the article: “Regrettably, the Toyota Land Cruiser and Hilux have effectively become almost part of the ISIS brand,” said Mark Wallace, a former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations.
    • by Blrfl ( 46596 )

      ...And before that the Taliban and before that practically everyone else in that region who needed a pickup truck.

      That's like wondering how the Dodge Caravan became part of the Soccer Mom brand.

    • There is actually a Top Gear episode that shows a Toyota Hilux surviving after being on top of a building that is blown up. All it needed was to have a battery cable reconnected and it drove away from the demolition site. I don't know if Isis watches Top Gear, but if they do, this is a pretty good advertisement for a potential customer that is around a lot of explosions.
    • by PPH ( 736903 ) on Monday December 14, 2015 @10:46PM (#51119321)

      Because they are some of the most popular vehicles in Africa and the Middle East. I have a couple of Landcruisers* and people from Africa stop and talk to me when they see me with a nearly 40 year old truck still running fine. That's the brand's reputation back home as well.

      *Older models, before Toyota yuppified them and screwed them up.

      • by mjwx ( 966435 )

        *Older models, before Toyota yuppified them and screwed them up.

        Until recently I had no idea why Americans thought this. Then I found out you don't get the good Toyotas, namely the Toyota Hilux [wikipedia.org] and J70 Land Crusier. [wikipedia.org].

        The US only gets the J200 Land Cruiser Prado, which most places usually just call the Prado as the Land Cruiser is the J70. The J200 Prado is a soft, squishy mum tank with an automatic transmission meant to be driven to the shops or school and back by soft, squishy people. The J70 Land Cruiser is a rough, rugged beast with a manual transmission meant to

  • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Monday December 14, 2015 @09:39PM (#51119043)

    Whenever I see another one of those Daesh videos, I have always wondered where that rogue Toyota dealership is so we can wipe it out. Who know that it was in Texas?

    • by NoKaOi ( 1415755 )

      Whenever I see another one of those Daesh videos, I have always wondered where that rogue Toyota dealership is so we can wipe it out. Who know that it was in Texas?

      Better wipe out all of Texas then, just to be sure.

  • Dealers tend to have full disclosure of transactions. Normally there's a document called a "Due Bill" or a "We Owe" that specifically states that there are no promises or additions made or included that are not written on said document. The same document usually includes language stating no oral additions or deletions will be honored. At the point the seller transferred ownership of the purchase vehicle and the buyer transferred ownership of the trade, the transaction was complete.

    Had the customer wanted t

  • When your HDD fails under warranty, most manufacturers just have you send it in and they send you a refurbished drive. Then they go about fixing your drive, and will send that out as a refurbished drive to replace someone else's failed HDD.

    I've always wondered - what about the data that was on your failed drive? Do they just do a quick format? A full format? Or do they do a secure erase on the drive (overwrite every sector with zeros) before sending it back out? If the person who receives your old d
    • The solution is full-disk encryption.

  • And let me guess: his name is Streisand [wikipedia.org]
    • by Gryle ( 933382 )
      Not really applicable in this situation, since the plaintiff is not trying to hide or censor the information, but to recoup damages. Thanks for playing though.
  • Alice wants something done and pays Bob to do it. Bob subcontract to Carol, who subcontracts to David. David doesn't do it or botches it. Alice is upset and sues Bob. Bob says "It isn't my fault, sue Carol instead". What happens?

    What looks to me to be the sensible solution is that Bob petitions the court to have Carol added to the suit, but Bob can't be removed from the suit unless Alice agrees. Carol then has David added to the suit. Assuming that Alice wins, David is liable, but if he cannot or will not p

    • Alice wants something done and pays Bob to do it. Bob subcontract to Carol, who subcontracts to David. David doesn't do it or botches it. Alice is upset and sues Bob. Bob says "It isn't my fault, sue Carol instead". What happens?

      Sound like what can happen with a auto drive car and just hope you are not faced with bills pilling up while the courts fight it out.

  • by JustAnotherOldGuy ( 4145623 ) on Tuesday December 15, 2015 @12:02AM (#51119521)

    That reminds me of the guy in California named "Al Nino" who used to get hateful calls every time the weather forecasters started talking about how "El Nino" might ruin crops this year or whatever. Seriously, people would call him and curse him out for "fucking up the weather".

    And also, there was that poor bastard named "Al Cayda", who's received a similar boatload of shit for the last decade or so.

  • innocents in Syria

    We've already been told by all the people running for the GOP nomination to run for POTUS that there are no innocents in Syria, and roughly 30 US governors (including many who are not running for president) have said the same. Clearly, they must be right and samzenpus just did a shitty job of editing that last line.

    You fail, "failure machine" samzenpus.

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