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Theme Park Deploys Trained Crows To Collect Litter (theguardian.com) 181

An anonymous reader quotes the Guardian: Six crows trained to pick up cigarette ends and rubbish will be put to work next week at a French historical theme park, according to its president. "The goal is not just to clear up, because the visitors are generally careful to keep things clean" but also to show that "nature itself can teach us to take care of the environment", said Nicolas de Villiers of the Puy du Fou park, in the western Vendee region.... The birds will be encouraged to spruce up the park through the use of a small box that delivers a nugget of bird food each time the rook deposits a cigarette end or small piece of rubbish.
"There's an easier way to get rid of all the cigarette butts," suggests one anonymous Slashdot reader.

"Just train the crows to attack smokers."
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Theme Park Deploys Trained Crows To Collect Litter

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  • Can ... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Martin S. ( 98249 ) on Saturday August 11, 2018 @06:36PM (#57109162) Journal

    ... they be trained to deliver parcels?

    They can't be any worse than most courier companies.

    • I can see this going horribly wrong. Crows know cigarettes and rubbish get rewards. This could easily devolve into a an Alfred Hitchcock movie.

  • I wonder (Score:3, Insightful)

    by RandomFactor ( 22447 ) on Saturday August 11, 2018 @06:38PM (#57109172)

    Do these cows need nicotine patches if they aren't deployed for a while?

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Cows?!?! Wow, that is a whole new angle on this story.

      French theme park deploys herd of cows to clean up cigarette butts!!!!

      Who cleans up after the cows?

  • Attack smokers (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 11, 2018 @06:46PM (#57109222)

    > "There's an easier way to get rid of all the cigarette butts," suggests one anonymous Slashdot reader.
    > "Just train the crows to attack smokers."

    Chances are the training they have already given to crows will inadvertently have trained them to target smokers, just give it some time.

    • by ClickOnThis ( 137803 ) on Saturday August 11, 2018 @09:52PM (#57109746) Journal

      This.

      Obligatory XKCD. [xkcd.com]

  • Crows are one of the most intelligent birds. They are trainable.
    It could work.
    • by ls671 ( 1122017 )

      Yes they are smart, how long before they figure out how to fool the system and submit false cigarette butts or fake false small pieces of rubbish or go get them straight from the factory or the from local trash drop off or from the ashtrays?

      In the city where I live, most businesses lock their outdoor ashtrays so the homeless people don't come pick through them. Watch those crows! They will figure out a way to unlock them! Jackpot!

      • by arth1 ( 260657 )

        Jackpot!

        Nicely done!

        (For those who don't know, a jackpot is called so because of the jackdaw, a member of the crow family, being notorious for stealing shiny things. So a jackpot is a nest full of shinies.)

      • You give the crows' intelligence too little credit.

        I predict that they will soon learn to crap on all guests that don't have a cigarette in their hand. Smokers will have a more pleasurable experience in the park and thus over time become a larger portion of the visitors.

      • My guess is the crows eventually discover the loop

        10 Groundskeepers regularly empty the "butt collectors" into garbage bags and move them to a dumpster somewhere.
        20 The crows then raid that dumpsters, opening all the bags, and taking everything they deposited into the "butt collectors"
        30 GOTO 10
      • by fgouget ( 925644 )

        Yes they are smart, how long before they figure out how to fool the system and submit false cigarette butts or fake false small pieces of rubbish

        The system already prevents that through image recognition [crowdedcities.com]: After the camera has recognised the cigarette filter as a filter, it returns a bit of food to the table in front of the crow.

  • These crows are taking our jobs!!!

    • by mentil ( 1748130 )

      Politicians won't care, because they're cawcasian.
      I'll see myself out.

    • These crows are taking our jobs!!!

      You misspelled "terking" and "jerbs" there

  • "nature itself can teach us to take care of the environment"

    How does this follow when humans are training the crows to clean up the human mess?

    • /pedantic: Last time I checked crows AND humans were part of nature. *shrugs*

      The usage is that nature refers to everything else but us, which is a little bit of oxymoron.

      You can read it two ways:

      * Nature itself can teach nature to take care of the environment"

      Or

      * Another part of nature can teach our part of nature to take care of the environment.

      I won't fault your response if it is:

      Gee, no shit, Sherlock!

      But yeah, either way, it is still an awkward phrasing.

      • The usage is that nature refers to everything else but us, which is a little bit of oxymoron.

        It seems fair to me to differentiate, since we're the only animals capable of doing a long-term study which tells us in detail what's wrong with our activity, which we then generally ignore.

  • ...who is mentioned in the article, and where can I subscribe to his newsletter?

    Also, can we implement his suggestion nationwide, or at least buy pretrained crows to guard our own localities / follow us around and clear the area of those filthy ash-holes?

  • WTF? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by msauve ( 701917 ) on Saturday August 11, 2018 @07:22PM (#57109356)

    "There's an easier way to get rid of all the cigarette butts," suggests one anonymous Slashdot reader. "Just train the crows to attack smokers."

    Not in the discussion. WTF? Is editordavid making up shit out of whole cloth to disguise a personal bias? And, it appears that this "anonymous Slashdot reader" is not only ignorant of French culture, but one of those extremely intolerant Antifa members.

    • "There's an easier way to get rid of all the cigarette butts," suggests one anonymous Slashdot reader.

      Not in the discussion.

      I presumed they were the same anonymous Slashdot reader who submitted the story. They could also have been someone who was reading over the editor's shoulder.

      It's equally likely BS, but you haven't discovered a smocking gun.

      • by msauve ( 701917 )
        That would be disingenuous - "one anonymous Slashdot reader" instead of "the submitter", or even better, just include the private comment as part of the summary, like other submissions. On /., "editor" isn't. More of a moron than an oxymoron. Are they paid for their shit?
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        "There's an easier way to get rid of all the cigarette butts," suggests one anonymous Slashdot reader.

        Not in the discussion.

        I presumed they were the same anonymous Slashdot reader who submitted the story. They could also have been someone who was reading over the editor's shoulder.

        It's equally likely BS, but you haven't discovered a smocking gun.

        Maybe the comment they were referring to was from when the story was originally posted to Slashdot last year.
        https://news.slashdot.org/stor... [slashdot.org]

        • teach them... (Score:0)
          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 15, 2017 @01:22AM (#55371305)
          "Maybe teach the crows to attack the smoker until they pick it up."

          Re:human smokers will be trained (Score:3)
          by jellomizer ( 103300 ) Alter Relationship on Saturday October 14, 2017 @04:01PM (#55369553)
          "Done give away their actual motive. We can make robots to clean the streets. But we need animals to actually attack the cause. Plausible deniability."

          Checks out.

    • extremely intolerant Antifa members.

      Not tolerating people wh advocate genocide? Oh! the humanity!

    • by fgouget ( 925644 )

      "There's an easier way to get rid of all the cigarette butts," suggests one anonymous Slashdot reader. "Just train the crows to attack smokers."

      Not in the discussion. WTF?

      Somewhat different wording but the last time this story was on Slashdot [slashdot.org], last october, there was a thread about crows attacking smokers [slashdot.org].

      And, it appears that this "anonymous Slashdot reader" is not only ignorant of French culture, but one of those extremely intolerant Antifa members.

      I don't see the issue with french culture and I'm not sure the editor is the one revealing personal bias here.

    • Technically, if the editor reads slashdot (a stretch, I know), and they wish not to reveal that they are the source of a comment, then they can be an "anonymous Slashdot reader."
    • is not only ignorant of French culture

      Just because French culture is defined as a breakfast made of a bagette and a cigarette doesn't mean they shouldn't be actively mocked.

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    • by arth1 ( 260657 )

      Crows are surprisingly intelligent.

      And rooks, which is the crow family member here, especially so.

      Probably too intelligent for this system to work for long, because they'll quickly figure out how to deposit the same loot twice, or what else can be substituted that's easier to find, how to raid other sources, or something else we haven't anticipated.

  • There's a "secret cow level"joke in here somewhere....
  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday August 11, 2018 @08:35PM (#57109526)
    who made a good point that there are several animals (Dolphins, Raccoons) that have nearly human level brains but that their limited bodies (no arms/thumbs) means they're probably stuck at a dead end. My first thought was the Uplift series of books.
    • who made a good point that there are several animals (Dolphins, Raccoons) that have nearly human level brains but that their limited bodies (no arms/thumbs) means they're probably stuck at a dead end. My first thought was the Uplift series of books.

      Dolphins would be screwed even if they had hands with opposable thumbs, because they live underwater and thus cannot use fire. You'd have to give them antigrav harnesses (ala the aforementioned Uplift saga) along with the hands in order for them to move forwards.

      Racoons, on the other hand, probably have enough manual dexterity already, and could potentially evolve more. Some of them get big enough to move large items around, so they seem like pretty good candidates if their species stuck around long enough.

    • Haven't read that series, but could certainly get down with Racoons being enhanced. LeGuin and many others have had Racoon characters in a lot of stories: they're "fun and mischevious; the lovable little thief trope", and allows the author to display their comedic talents. Larry Niven's Ringworld universe includes dolphins that could make use of their intelligence. Mechanical "hands" were invented so the dolphins could manipulate their environment. With all the magnesium laying around at the bottom of the o

  • by Archfeld ( 6757 ) <treboreel@live.com> on Saturday August 11, 2018 @08:35PM (#57109528) Journal

    How long until they are swooping cigarettes from the mouths of those still smoking ? or bumming them verbally from other people. Hey Buddy gotta smoke I can bum, I need a crow pellet fix :)

  • The more trash one picks up it seems, the more trash people feel they can deposit. Soon they'll be training elephants to pick up trash.
  • sounds more like a plot to kill crows with nicotine.
  • You can train crows but you can't train some selfish, entitled pricks who literally would not see a bin if they were standing in it.
  • Cause I accidentally downmodded a funny comment.

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