'I Want a Super-Smart Chair!' (techcrunch.com) 155
Long-time Slashdot reader shanen writes:
Imagine you had a perfect chair for using your computer. Also a perfect chair for watching TV. And a chair for listening to music, a chair for reading, a chair for napping, a work chair that keeps you awake, and a perfect chair for dinner. Also a massage chair and a diagnostic chair that checks your temperature, pulse, and blood pressure. Is your house full of chairs yet? Wait! what about your spouse's perfect chairs? Need a bigger house?
What if you had one chair that could be all nine of those chairs? What if you could teach the super-smart modular chair to be more chairs, too? That's what I want, plus the voodoo chair controller to manipulate and teach the slightly deformable triangular modules (in two or three sizes) that would form all of the virtual chairs for the current real chair.
Anyway, this story ticks me off because I sent that idea to a couple of companies, including IKEA. I'm still waiting. Not holding my breath.
That article shows Ikea promising a new "smart homes" unit -- but with no mention of investments in wondrous smart chair technologies.
So the original submission ends by asking how we can bring about such a smart chair revolution?
What if you had one chair that could be all nine of those chairs? What if you could teach the super-smart modular chair to be more chairs, too? That's what I want, plus the voodoo chair controller to manipulate and teach the slightly deformable triangular modules (in two or three sizes) that would form all of the virtual chairs for the current real chair.
Anyway, this story ticks me off because I sent that idea to a couple of companies, including IKEA. I'm still waiting. Not holding my breath.
That article shows Ikea promising a new "smart homes" unit -- but with no mention of investments in wondrous smart chair technologies.
So the original submission ends by asking how we can bring about such a smart chair revolution?
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Nope, not even close (Score:2)
I'm not saying it's a bad chair or anything, but not even vaguely close to what I'm trying to describe. Am I too far off the wall? However your chair is so far off that I have to suspect my writing or wonder if you're just fishing for a funny mod.
Actually in another IKEA-related story they talked about a new kind of chair that is somewhat closer, but it seemed to be based more on an exoskeleton approach. That one was a joint venture with an American company. The story said they were hoping for next year, bu
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Chances are your chair is not as fancy as the chair
The very fancy chair in Mr. Fancy Chair's lair
When everybody's slacking in the fancy chair showroom
He's gonna pass the test
He's gonna be the best
The best in terms of chairs
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Living in a hot country I can just imagine my arse and back sweat gathering in a noxious fetid pool in the seat of that Ikea chair.
I've got a proper $369 office chair, with padding, and the sweat (and bourbon & food) stains on the squab scares people.
This chair looks like an ebola factory in comparison.
Nope nope nope!
The Ikea chair is probably quite ok in a colder climate where people don't sweat, though, sure.
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No padding? I'm not sure I could sit in one for very long. Looks more like something you'd find at a fast-food place in a trendy part of town.
And while we are at it (Score:5, Insightful)
I want superpowers and a pony! No, wait, the thing with the pony was my sister.
Stories on /. have been getting more stupid over time, but this is a new high...
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Yeah, I saw that movie.
It was called Wall-E.
High chair (Score:2)
Stories on /. have been getting more stupid over time, but this is a new high...
I agree, it sounds like the author needs a high chair, not a smart chair.
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A high pony! ;)
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As a dude, I want a pony with superpowers! :)
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Nope. It doesn't have super powers. :P
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I want a blowjob. Is the proposed chair smart enough to suck me off?
Re: And while we are at it (Score:3, Insightful)
I can't speak for him, but I suspect he might agree with my constructive idea: Slashdot needs to ban you, and society as a whole needs to ensure you're never allowed near a keyboard again. Hopefully then the quality of Slashdot stories and comments may slightly improve again over time.
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When you know you should press cancel: Press cancel.
Chairs are bad (Score:4, Insightful)
Sitting slowly kills you.
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I partly agree, but this chair would be less bad by deforming itself for your health. At least that would be one of the options I want. For example, in napping mode it would slowly adjust to stretch my back...
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I lay on the floor if my back needs stretching. Slow dynamic exercises are also helpful. And cost nothing.
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You aren't even slightly tempted by the idea of letting the chair do it for you?
What if the chair has pressure sensors to help determine exactly where the stretching would be most helpful? What if you could get a prescription from your medical specialist to adjust the chair to reduce back (or neck or shoulder) pains?
However I do agree with the value of exercises and do some daily. I should do more.
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You aren't even slightly tempted by the idea of letting the chair do it for you?
I have better use for the space in my home.
What if the chair has pressure sensors to help determine exactly where the stretching would be most helpful?
Evolution provided those sensors built-in to my own equipment.
What if you could get a prescription from your medical specialist to adjust the chair to reduce back (or neck or shoulder) pains?
I sometimes wonder why medical coverage keeps going on. Then I remember that too many are running some hustle to get free stuff.
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I sometimes wonder why medical coverage keeps going on. Then I remember that too many are running some hustle to get free stuff.
To be up front, I'm not suggesting people defraud their insurance or anything. But, at least in the US, this is about the only way to get any perceived value out of our medical/medical insurance system. Prices are out of hand.
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You aren't even slightly tempted by the idea of letting the chair do it for you?
Do you have any clue of the range of lifestyles that slashdotters have?
And no, you're not going to use "pressure sensors" to massage you while you lay there like a slug. You would need some sort of medical scanning device.
For $350,000 I'll build you a robot that can prod you, and poke at the medium-hard spots. For entertainment purposes only.
They already sell massage chairs. You're not going to get a magic one that is a zillion times better. Go to a store and look at a premium massage chair. That is the tec
Chair? (Score:2)
No. (Score:2, Insightful)
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In the olden times slashdot had rocket chairs.
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ad hominem attacks on those who ask simple questions doesn't make your case look better.
Along with that, add immortality and unicorns (Score:3)
and maybe autonomous anti-gravity thought controlled motion because you're going to need that one chair in nine different places.
Did you ever stop and think that what you consider to be the "perfect chair" is unique to you? Along with a multi-tens of million dollar development investment, any company seeing value in your idea is going to have to spend that amount again to research the market to understand what is the perfect chair for lots of people and not just you?
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Unicorns are real, and you can rent them for events.
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No you can't. The UK grabbed them all from around the world and promised them to voters in exchange for Brexit.
(This comment may confuse those outside the UK/EU who haven't been paying attention to this).
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Like all the other brexit promises, no. No they didn't bring provision and acquire any unicorns. They merely promised unicorns. But actually it will be a reduction in unicorns.
But austere unicorns have a stiffer upper lip, so there is some sort of cultural... er... affect.
I'd settle... (Score:2)
How about a subject rating system? (Score:2)
That would be the first step up.
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No-one should shut down attempts at innovative thinking but this comment section is full of legitimate criticisms of a vague wish not actual innovation and this criticim is relatively benign compared to the others.
Your own rudeness, however, is your admission that he's right.
Public masturbation of 318358 (Score:2)
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Hopeless (Score:3)
While I have no idea why this merits a /. Article... or response, the reality is the tasks are too disparate for “one chair to rule them all.” Even if you solve the finish issues, something to mix all the functions, armrest positions, declines, etc would be physically so large that everything else needs to be designed around it. The poster is effectively asking for a comfortable bubble in which to live their life. Good luck.
Also, why the hell would you want your chair to be the center of your universe if you can walk?
I hope Ikea paid enough money for this 'article' (Score:2)
Also, while I could certainly use a magic chair that transforms into any chair type I need, 'shanen' seems to have missed the fact that an idea is not the same thing as a working design for that idea.
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Ok, let me rephrase. You're just some dimwit poser who thinks having an "idea" is where all the value is, completely disregarding the engineering effort in building your grand vision, and not caring or even understanding whether it is possible or not. Actually building it? That's for the nerds, the morlocks that couldn't even think of a magic chair themselves before your god-like genius pointed it out to them. You are the idea man! You don't need skills, your value is pointing out what the world needs! Beca
Public masturbation of 664142 (Score:2)
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Shanen. You have proved yourself to be of the lowest human caliber.
I have thus marked you as a Foe here on Slashdot.
I hope to never read your dribble ever again.
Re:Public masturbation of 2550286 (Score:2)
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Too rude. Also apparent problems with reading comprehension.
That is hypocritical to a level that ascends Mount Stupid.
You're a jerk on this website every day, like everybody else, so stop whining about criticism as if you have a high horse.
Public masturbation of 97333 (Score:2)
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Yeah, you, in this very comment thread, were criticizing others for criticizing your idea, whining even that they weren't being polite enough, and here you are, making personal attacks.
Your idea was so awful it should have been embarrassing when they published it, but for you to come to the comments and insult everybody, while whining that people weren't polite enough, that is just pathetic. That is pathetic even for you. That is pathetic even for slashdot.
And, you must sure be from a backwards shithole cou
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Ask more nicely and perhaps I'll give you more design details
If you had any, any at all, you would have shown them already.
Public masturbation of 775178 (Score:2)
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Ask more nicely and perhaps I'll give you more design details
I'd like to see them.
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Okay, I just posted a bunch of possibilities in reply to _merlin. He asked in more explicit and pragmatic terms (which makes me speculate he might be an actual mechanical engineer), so I'm just going to put that link here. If you want to approach it from another perspective, please expand on your question.
https://idle.slashdot.org/comm... [slashdot.org]
Remember I'm just a wannabe customer here. Most of my frustration with the market comes from my years supporting a research lab. After the new ideas went to the development
Being in academia... (Score:5, Funny)
I've known several super-smart chairs, but I'd prefer one that has a modicum of wisdom and is a competent administrator. Super-smart people sometimes can fall into the trap of thinking they're experts in everything, even if they actually suck at stuff which doesn't fall under their core competency.
Oh, that's not the type of chair you're talking about here? Never mind then...
Basically (Score:2)
Wall-E
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I can't remember how much of that movie I saw, but I don't see the relevance. Care to explain?
If you are talking about the general convenience of anime deforming shapes (such as chairs), then that is actually related.
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Technology is morally neutral (Score:2)
Thanks for the reminder. Yes, I did see that part of the movie. Not the only place that meme has appeared. Perhaps the earliest was the Eloi race in "The Time Machine" by H.G. Wells?
If that is your concern, then I remind you that any technology is morally neutral. We can use it for good or bad purposes.
I absolutely agree that the smart chair technology in that movie was being used for bad purposes. However, I absolutely want to sit down sometimes. If my chair is too comfortable, then it should be programmed
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If that is your concern, then I remind you that any technology is morally neutral. We can use it for good or bad purposes.
Yeah, like the electric chair, poison gas, the guillotine. Oops, they are morally good because we only use them to get rid of the bad people.
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If that is your concern, then I remind you that any technology is morally neutral.
Being a fat chair-blob is morally neutral. However, it is not health-neutral.
Why would anyone want a smart chair? (Score:2)
Product design (Score:4, Insightful)
This sounds like a typical award-winning product design; physically impossible to make and would probably kill you instantly if it could be made.
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The Homerchair.
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The Homerchair.
Exactly what popped into my mind when I read the description. Hopefully it'll have a huge cupholder and an airhorn.
places to sit (Score:2)
When I visit someone else's house there's usually a multitude of places to sit or rest in suitable positions. How annoying would it be if they only had custom chairs for themselves?
Like any smart thing, if it were made it'd be expensive and pants. Perhaps you just need to sit less often? Uncomfortable because body
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When I visit someone else's house
Do you really think he would leave home again if he had the perfect chair?
The chair will just electrically stimulate his muscles to replace exercise.
pants
would probably not exist in Chairland.
What about a super smart spoon? (Score:5, Insightful)
I want a super-smart spoon. The kind that could also be a fork, a hairbrush, a hummer, a measuring tape, a drill, a calculator and a dildo. Can we have that?
And yes, Slashdot, "just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this...".
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I think they have that, it is the Leatherman Canadian Outback model.
Separate the content from its presentation. (Score:2)
Fill the house with these smart chairs, but let your deformation preferences live on the network (OMG, call it 'the cloud' if you have to...).
That way, any chair in the house deforms to your prefs as you seat yourself.
Will probably require a chip in your ass. Don't take it sitting down.
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Car seats just weigh you to figure out which preferences to use.
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That's like calling a 1970s hotel "massage bed" a massage robot.
It is just an oversized vibrator. That is not a massage.
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Can't tell these guys apart:
https://media.gettyimages.com/... [gettyimages.com]
Ok slashdot (Score:3)
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I dare you to make less sense.
Hold my beer....oh wait, the chair will also have a cup holder. Never mind.
Toilet mode? (Score:2)
What an amazing discovery, but how will this smart chair help me poop and pee, Mike?
Really? (Score:2)
I guess this nicely sums up the definition of "first-world problem"
I'm in the same league (Score:2)
I want an egg-laying-wool-milk-pig.
I won't get one either.
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Well, I want one, too! Or two of them, but they should not smell! ... he could slaughter them, too ...well then I need a bit more than, two.
And a robot that collects the eggs, and shaves them!!
And as we are on it
But the bacon and ham would be nice, combined with the eggs, I think!
Errrm ... then build one. (Score:5, Insightful)
Want something? Can't buy it because no one's making it? Then build one. Your probably closer to a hacker and a nerd then most around you otherwise you wouldn't be posting on slashdot.
So get moving and build one.
Show us when you're finished. Or on the way.
Good luck
My thoughts also... (Score:2)
The most difficult part would be doing the actual upholstery well... Good car/airplane seats may use more tha
In front of the dash (Score:2)
The smart chair is out there. You just have to step out of your mom's basement (and out in the sun) once in a while, while the HAZMAT crew clears out the area.No, the crew is not responsible for any loose coins or lost items
i just want a chair (Score:2)
And a toilet? And wheels? (Score:2)
But no, not thanks. I don't think that I will like "smart" chairs.
Where's Ballmer when you need him? (Score:2)
Perfect chair for watcing TV (Score:2)
The perfect chair for watching TV ... and everything else.
Now where have I seen this before?
Oh yeah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Personally... (Score:2)
...I'd prefer a life in which my chair doesn't figure quite so prominently in my happiness.
You forgot the morphine drip (Score:2)
Imagine you had a perfect chair for using your computer. Also a perfect chair for watching TV. And a chair for listening to music, a chair for reading, a chair for napping, a work chair that keeps you awake, and a perfect chair for dinner. Also a massage chair and a diagnostic chair that checks your temperature, pulse, and blood pressure. Is your house full of chairs yet? Wait! what about your spouse's perfect chairs? Need a bigger house?
It's called my sofa in the living room with a blood pressure cuff and medicines lying there. Granted, it doesn't have a massager but that could change.
Note you wouldn't need the medical stuff if you didn't spend so much time in the chair.
And that's just a waystop on the way to living in a virtual world as a brain in a vat.
Don't bother with IKEA (Score:2)
They just buy overstock from China and re-label it.
Some time ago, I was trying to buy a few more of an item I had originally bought at IKEA. But they no longer carried it in their store. No problem, Internet search to the rescue. There must be some way to buy stuff no longer stocked in their showrooms.
I stumbled upon an entire universe of people trying to buy popular IKEA products that they no longer stocked. And a lot of discussion on the topic of why they would no longer stock, or make available for ord
Idiocracy's Chair/Toilet (Score:2)
Super-Dumb Chair: Idiocracy - Television Brainwashing Of The Future [youtube.com]. How about it, Kohler [kohler.com]?
Boo hoo (Score:2)
I want a fucking pony! Where's my fucking pony! I sent a letter to Santa years ago, and he never brought me a pony, and I'm pissed off!
What the fuck is this article doing on slashdot?
Wall-e (Score:2)
Once I have my Super-Smart Chair will I need Wall-e's help to get me out of it?
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I should mention that configuring the chair would essentially involve texturing the outside of the perfect chair. Natural task for a GPU tessellating a complicated surface with triangles. The sides of each triangular module can be adjusted longer or shorter until the chair has exactly the shape for the current purpose.
Can GPUs do that? I thought they were limited to on-screen graphics, not making changes in the nature of physical objects.
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The GPU can calculate the triangles needed to cover a 3-D model. Actually, modern GPUs are way overpowered for this relatively trivial application. The GPUs can calculate billions of triangles every second, but this is just a few hundred triangles. (It's more interesting if you're doing texturing and lighting calculations, but this application doesn't need any of that.)
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I'm confused - are we talking about using GPUs to calculate the shape of triangles in a virtual chair, or to somehow control triangles in a real chair?
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As Shanen notes, a modern GPU is also way over-powered for this. A smart chair certainly won't need t
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Basically just the ACK, but you seem to understand many parts better than I do.
It's kind of funny when I go to the venture capitalist meetings and try to explain that I'm just a frustrated customer... Most of them are so hung up about how they are going to make a gazillion bucks. In today's example, I just have this weird idea that many people would like a great chair. Projecting because I don't like my chairs that much? Or recollections of the chair wars among the cubicle warriors?
Re:Using a GPU to configure the chair (Score:4, Insightful)
You should be more worried about the materials you're going to make these triangles out of and the actuators you're going to use to reshape them. How is this chair actually supposed to work? What material can support weight and reshape itself like this? What actuators are cheap enough, small enough, and can deal with the forces of a person getting in and out of a chair?
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Well, they sound like simple and sincere questions, but it's really hard to tell in this nerdstorm of nattering negativity. How can I work Agnew's "nabobs" into that? (No, I don't admire Agnew, but now that I mentioned him, we'll probably see his sock puppet tomorrow. (Well, actually I won't see him because of the new user thing.))
Back to your questions: I think the simplest design (and I can only imagine simple designs) would basically have a turnbuckle on each side around a triangular piece of plastic, bu
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That doesn't matter! The Raspberry Pi has GPIO pins and we once made them have an output on them. With python! The implementation details will work themselves out!
You forgot to mention it'll be coded in Rust and will be web-scale.
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Two details seemingly at odds:
"The sides of each triangular module can be adjusted longer or shorter until the chair has exactly the shape for the current purpose."
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"I should mention that configuring the chair would essentially involve texturing the outside of the perfect chair. Natural task for a GPU tessellating a complicated surface with triangles"
Roughly what size and scale are these triangle modules?
Muscle powered to motor powered implies larger, an inch or more.
GPU implies far smaller, around the 10
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Thank you very much for the leads. The videos are interesting, but more relevant to the voodoo chair controller accessory for the chair that I'm lusting after. Also related to the approach that IKEA seems to be following in the older story. (I linked to that story earlier in this discussion.) I do think those general purpose modules look much more expensive than what I'm thinking about, but of course the prices would decline if they are producing them in large numbers. I think the basic module should be pre
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That said, do you have a plan how the modules will interconnect? Where the moving points vs fixed weight and structure supporting points will be? Any details on the particular machinery to perform the movement?
Whoops, missed that important part of your reply. I think the connectors will just grasp 6 corners. From a mathematical perspective, you might want to allow for 5-fold and 7-fold connectors, but when I studied the geometry (from a purely mathematical perspective), that much curvature doesn't seem to be necessary. At the edges, you would only be connecting to 3 triangles, so you might want a cheaper connector at the edge. One more connector type if you replace a large module with half-size modules. For that
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That's what I thought just about the ones with USB chargers built into the armrest.
I do not want to die in chair fire just to prevent having to rotate my shoulder and reach downwards.