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America's Vice President Gets Stuck Behind a Stalled Driverless Robotaxi (abc7news.com) 162

As the Vice President of the United States travelled in a motorcade Saturday to a San Francisco hotel, they ended up stopped behind "a Waymo vehicle that had to be driven away from the motorcade route by police," according to a local newscast (which called it an "only in San Francisco moment").

And that's not all. One local reporter following the vice president's motorcade said "we saw not one but two driverless cars get stuck."

The San Francisco Standard adds that on Friday, California's governor "signed a bill that allows law enforcement to cite driverless car companies for traffic violations."
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America's Vice President Gets Stuck Behind a Stalled Driverless Robotaxi

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  • by RightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) on Sunday September 29, 2024 @09:06PM (#64827303)

    where cars were proud of doing donuts on their lawns.

    Raised by a working single tow truck, it came to understand how difficult it can be to pick up a fair while moving....

  • Kamala. Harris. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ichthus ( 72442 ) on Sunday September 29, 2024 @09:07PM (#64827309) Homepage
    Just thought it was strange that the name of "America's Vice President" wasn't mentioned in the summary. Hopefully, she'll fade away into the ether of past happenings, and we can be unburdened by what has been.
    • Hey, that's plagiarizing plagiarism.
    • Perhaps because the article isn't about her. Or maybe they're trying to avoid hurting the feelings of those who believe Mike Pence is still VP. It's policy at some news outlets never to refer to his administration in the past-tense.

    • by barfypoo ( 9282107 ) on Monday September 30, 2024 @12:44AM (#64827609)
      Regarding America's Vice President: does They have any preferred Proper Nouns?
    • I thought it was strange she was referred to as they.

    • Just thought it was strange that the name of "America's Vice President" wasn't mentioned in the summary. Hopefully, she'll fade away into the ether of past happenings, and we can be unburdened by what has been.

      You include "unburdened by what has been" like it's some kind of own against her, I'm honestly baffled as to why you think it's an own.

      The meaning is clear enough, so that's not it. It's a slightly unusual sentence construction, but that's just how you make speech interesting. Maybe she's repeated it a few times, but who hasn't used specific phrases a few times?

      As far as I can tell the only reason you think it's some kind of own is because you and other right wingers keep declaring it to be so.

  • by PPH ( 736903 ) on Sunday September 29, 2024 @09:12PM (#64827327)

    ... strobe lights shut Waymos down?

    • Re:Motorcade ... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ls671 ( 1122017 ) on Sunday September 29, 2024 @09:52PM (#64827411) Homepage

      No, but cell phone and other frequencies jamming done around motorcade might I would assume...

      • +1

        This is an unusual driving circumstance to say the least. And unfortunately the waymo choked.

        • +1

          This is an unusual driving circumstance to say the least. And unfortunately the waymo choked.

          I think Waymo failed closed - stopped operations before it could potentially harm anyone.

          • Re:Motorcade ... (Score:5, Insightful)

            by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Monday September 30, 2024 @01:47AM (#64827675)

            I think Waymo failed closed - stopped operations before it could potentially harm anyone.

            Except now someone with a desire to harm a president or vice-president has a new tool they might be able to take advantage of. If you can immobilize the person, you've got a much better chance of getting access to them.

            • Then again not being able to incapacitate drones (on air or road, like waymo) would open up a world of risks. There have been two assassination attempts of a major US political figure in the last couple months... someday there's going to be a game-changing one with drones and we'll be looking back fondly on the days when would-be assassins' imagination was limited to guns.
            • I think Waymo failed closed - stopped operations before it could potentially harm anyone.

              Except now someone with a desire to harm a president or vice-president has a new tool they might be able to take advantage of. If you can immobilize the person, you've got a much better chance of getting access to them.

              So let's ban TRAFFIC CONES ... since those are known to immobilze these self-driving cars. /s

          • They frequently seem to stop for no apparent reason. At least, frequently enough that I've observed it.
            • They frequently seem to stop for no apparent reason. At least, frequently enough that I've observed it.

              And no traffic cones were spottted?

          • If you look at the news footage, you can see the way the car is stopped is really weird. It seems to have stopped half way into a U-turn made in a weird spot. This story really needs details as to what the situation was that got the car into that position in the first place. It may indeed very well have been caused by unconventional circumstances related to the motorcade.

            In addition to that, I'd say that there probably is a case to be made for cars like these to restart operations when they think they have

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          How often does this affect human drivers though? I've seen them get stuck when trying to move aside for ambulances, for example. The end up blocking traffic.

          We need those stats to say if this is really significant, or just another edge case that Waymo could improve to be even better than the average human driver.

      • Re:Motorcade ... (Score:5, Interesting)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Monday September 30, 2024 @05:10AM (#64827849) Homepage Journal

        Is jamming a good idea? Seems like if you wanted to attack the motorcade, you could use the fact that it has jamming as a signal to detonate/target designator.

        The company I work for actually makes a GPS jamming detector that triggers a camera to take a photo of the vehicle with the jammer in it, because they are often stolen or smuggling.

        • by Asgard ( 60200 )

          The car with the jammer doesn't have the VIP inside. The jamming range is designed to trigger whatever IEDs are on the route before the vehicle approaches.

    • by e3m4n ( 947977 )

      Makes sense. If it’s autonomous and you need to arrest a passenger it makes sense that it would coast to a stop.

      • But that's SOP taught to meat-sack drivers as well. You see emergency vehicle lights approaching, you pull over if possible. And stop. It would make sense if Waymo programmed this behavior into their cars.

  • by russotto ( 537200 ) on Sunday September 29, 2024 @09:14PM (#64827339) Journal

    The San Francisco Standard adds that on Friday, California's governor "signed a bill that allows law enforcement to cite driverless car companies for traffic violations."

    Which effectively makes every driverless car a continuous unlimited liability for its manufacturer.

  • what would of happened if the beast needed to ram it off the road?

  • by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Sunday September 29, 2024 @09:17PM (#64827345)

    If I were on the motorcade's secret service detail and a barricade like that happened, I'd be thinking someone was trying to slow things down to take a shot.

    And I wouldn't be particularly nice about getting that car out of the way.

    • MOVE YOU CAR!

    • the real Hollywood would having an real driver in the seat would remove the speed caps on the self mode. Allowing to rev up to max speed with the driver having all control locked out

  • by Retired Chemist ( 5039029 ) on Sunday September 29, 2024 @09:24PM (#64827359)
    Why to the people of San Francisco put up with being used as unpaid beta testers for self-driving cars? As far as I know neither they nor the city is getting much in return.
  • Would've been "uber"-funny if the President of Waymo got stuck behind a driverless Waymo taxi though. Talk about karma.

  • Traffic Citations (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JBMcB ( 73720 ) on Sunday September 29, 2024 @09:53PM (#64827413)

    So California passed a law allowing driverless cars but didn't bother including in that law how traffic citations would be handled?

    Now I'm doubly glad the governor is apparently vetoing everything.

  • I'm curious (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Sunday September 29, 2024 @10:51PM (#64827525)

    If a human driver had blocked the presidential motorcade, even by honest negligence, wouldn't the secret service have swarmed the car and hauled their ass in jail simply because the move looked threatening?

    I'm pretty sure two driveless blocking the motorcade can easily be construed as the beginning of an attack on the VP too. So my question is: which Waymo exec got arrested?

    • If a cabbie is blocking the motorcade, do they kick down the door of the taxicab company and arrest the owner? No. They deal with the immediate threat, which is the car and anyone in it. In case of the Waymo: that's no-one (or maybe a rider).
    • Re:I'm curious (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ledow ( 319597 ) on Monday September 30, 2024 @04:26AM (#64827811) Homepage

      If I were the VP's security, I'd be highly suspicious of a stopped vehicle of any kind - especially unmanned - in the direct path of the motorcade I was protecting and wouldn't approach it at all and would instruct the driver to initiate emergency driving measures to turn and flee.

      There's no telling at all who was in control of the vehicle and what was in it, at that point. And it would be the perfect way to stop the motorcade for... gosh... I don't know... someone else to take action against a VP they disapprove off when we've had two attempted assassinations of former presidents in the last few months.

      This is a security failing, and a Waymo failing.

      • by sconeu ( 64226 )

        If I were the VP's security, I'd be highly suspicious of a stopped vehicle of any kind - especially unmanned - in the direct path of the motorcade I was protecting and wouldn't approach it at all and would instruct the driver to initiate emergency driving measures to turn and flee.

        May I ask how one instructs the (non-existent) driver of an unmanned vehicle to "initiate emergency driving measures to turn and flee"?

        • by ledow ( 319597 )

          The driver of MY VEHICLE HOLDING THE VP IN THE MOTORCADE.

          As in "get the hell out of here, before that unmanned car detonates or a sniper gets her".

    • I believe you're 100% right in this, as per my own comment. [slashdot.org] It would be a perfect ruse as part of an attack.
  • So? I see people driving cars getting stuck by going the wrong way, getting confused at a detour, ignoring 'transit only' signs, and similar, all the goddamn time.
  • Just about everyone has seen enough movies and TV shows where a stalled or broken-down vehicle in the road is used as a ruse to get someone (or their motorcade, in this case) to stop, so that an attack can happen.
    I'm not saying this is the case in what happened in TFA. But I am saying that this illustrates a possible scenario where SDCs could be remotely hijacked to do precisely what happened here, and an attack of some sort (murder, kidnapping, hijacking, etc) could happen.
    I staunchly believe that SDCs a
  • This is the current state of driverless cars. Unfortunately they frequently get confused and just stop. I guess that's better than just plowing ahead and crashing but probably not ready for prime time.

  • And then they wonder why their cars get rear-ended so often. I know that every driver should be prepared for any situation at all times, but it's far too uncommon for a car to come to a sudden and complete stop in the middle of a busy road. Sure, some cars do that to make a left turn, but they usually use their turn signal which provides a good hint that they may have to come to a complete stop if there's no gap in oncoming traffic. I rarely defend human drivers, but Waymo cars need a better fallback pla
  • Elites annoyed that they have to deal with traffic jams just like everyone else who is middle-class.

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